IRC log of aapi on 2017-02-07

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19:48:00 [trackbot]: Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
19:48:00 [trackbot]: Date: 07 February 2017
19:48:13 [clown]: chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
19:48:15 [clown]: agenda?
19:48:24 [clown]: agenda: this
19:48:32 [clown]: agenda+ (All) Specifying AAPI UIA interface in focus events table, and other mapping tables.
19:48:39 [clown]: agenda+ (Joanie) AX API mapping issues and testing.
19:48:46 [clown]: agenda+ ACTION-1732 (Michael, Joseph) Add conformance section to the Core-AAM.
19:49:03 [clown]: agenda+ Triage issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
19:49:09 [clown]: agenda+ Triage core-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=Core%20AAM&product=ARIA
19:49:17 [clown]: agenda+ Triage accname-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=AccName%20AAM&product=ARIA
19:49:26 [clown]: agenda+ Triage accname actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26
19:49:31 [clown]: agenda+ be done.
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20:04:52 [joanie]: present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
20:05:01 [joanie]: scribe: joanie
20:05:18 [joanie]: Zakim, take up item 1
20:05:18 [Zakim]: agendum 1. "(All) Specifying AAPI UIA interface in focus events table, and other mapping tables." taken up [from clown]
20:07:32 [joanie]: JS: Rich wanted me to write Bogdan about adding more UIA interfaces.
20:07:41 [joanie]: JS: I sent the email yesterday. I've not yet heard back.
20:07:50 [joanie]: JS: But it's not been that long.
20:07:59 [joanie]: JS: I think the email went out on the public list.
20:08:08 [clown]: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2017Feb/0017.html
20:08:17 [joanie]: RS: You can poke Joanie or me if we need to follow up with him.
20:08:27 [joanie]: JS: The URL above is for the email I sent.
20:09:12 [joanie]: Zakim, next item
20:09:12 [Zakim]: agendum 2. "(Joanie) AX API mapping issues and testing." taken up [from clown]
20:09:28 [joanie]: JS: I have a feeling this item will come up every meeting.
20:09:33 [joanie]: JS: I just want a progress update.
20:10:29 [joanie]: RS: I did put some test cases in so Joanie can test and propose patches for WebKitGtk along with Safari.
20:11:23 [joanie]: JD: I was away and forgot to set up access to my Mac remotely. So I've not yet had time to work on that.
20:11:50 [joanie]: RS: Joseph, have you put in any Core AAM testable statements yet?
20:12:05 [joanie]: JS: I did add one for aria-describedby, but not under Core AAM.
20:12:15 [joanie]: JS: Should I have put it there?
20:13:01 [joanie]: RS: Yes, because it's not new to ARIA; it's new to UIA.
20:13:13 [joanie]: JS: I know have to do some AccName test cases too.
20:13:28 [joanie]: JS: While we're talking about this, I put in all the platforms. Do I need to?
20:13:41 [joanie]: RS: Just for description? No, because it's specific to UIA.
20:14:07 [clown]: https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements#aria-describedby
20:14:18 [joanie]: JS: The URL for the example is above.
20:14:26 [joanie]: RS: You only need to do that one for UIA.
20:14:44 [joanie]: JS: So I can remove the other platforms?
20:14:50 [joanie]: RS: Yes.
20:15:18 [joanie]: RS: How is Stefan doing with his test cases?
20:15:51 [joanie]: JS: I've only got one notification, so I don't know if he's done a bunch at once or has more work to do.
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20:17:31 [joanie]: Zakim, next item
20:17:31 [Zakim]: agendum 3. "ACTION-1732 (Michael, Joseph) Add conformance section to the Core-AAM." taken up [from clown]
20:17:37 [clown]: action-1732?
20:17:37 [trackbot]: action-1732 -- Michael Cooper to Work on conformance section for mappings (note there is a section, but change id=conformance so respec picks up) -- due 2015-10-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW
20:17:37 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1732
20:17:49 [joanie]: JS: This is an old action assigned to Michael Cooper.
20:17:53 [joanie]: JS: I pinged him the other day.
20:18:00 [clown]: https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/522
20:18:12 [clown]: https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/ACTION-1732/core-aam/core-aam.html#conformance
20:18:13 [joanie]: JS: He did it immediately and provided the pull request at the above URL.
20:18:24 [joanie]: JS: He added the section at the URL above.
20:18:37 [joanie]: JS: It looks pretty boilerplate to me. So I'm ok with it.
20:19:02 [clown]: https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/ACTION-1732/core-aam/core-aam.html#features-deprecated-in-wai-aria
20:19:42 [joanie]: JS: He also added the features-deprecated section (see above URL).
20:19:46 [joanie]: JS: That's fine.
20:19:55 [joanie]: JS: Anyone else want to weigh in?
20:20:32 [joanie]: RS: That's fine.
20:20:56 [joanie]: JS: The AccName spec needs the same thing.
20:21:23 [joanie]: JS: I think I'll accept his changes, but ask him to provide something similar for AccName.
20:22:19 [joanie]: Zakim, next item
20:22:19 [Zakim]: agendum 4. "Triage issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23" taken up [from clown]
20:22:34 [clown]: issue-642?
20:22:34 [trackbot]: issue-642 -- alt text computation should distinguish between nameFrom contents during root node calculation versus recursive calculation. -- open
20:22:34 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/642
20:22:55 [joanie]: JS: This first one is something James Craig raised in 2014.
20:23:15 [joanie]: JS: (Reads from issue content)
20:23:45 [joanie]: RS: To me, this is a close WONTFIX.
20:23:52 [joanie]: JS: Agreed.
20:26:34 [joanie]: JD: Well.... Being on the receiving end of the result, there are times I tend to agree this concatenation is a bad idea.
20:26:46 [joanie]: RS: This will be a big discussion then.
20:27:01 [joanie]: RS: We can add it to the 1.2-list for now.
20:27:11 [joanie]: JS: I'll open a new issue in github.
20:29:21 [joanie]: https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/523
20:29:39 [clown]: issue-654?
20:29:39 [trackbot]: issue-654 -- Add label and description changes to section "State and Property Change Events" -- open
20:29:39 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/654
20:29:48 [joanie]: JS: I think we talked about issue-654 last week.
20:30:03 [clown]: action-2130?
20:30:03 [trackbot]: action-2130 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Determine if AX AXPI supports an event if the accessible description changes. -- due 2016-12-20 -- OPEN
20:30:03 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2130
20:30:07 [joanie]: JS: This is now part of the AccName AAM.
20:30:32 [joanie]: JD: I didn't update the comment.
20:30:41 [joanie]: JS: Right, so we need to keep this open until you do.
20:30:44 [joanie]: JD: Sorry!
20:31:41 [clown]: issue-654?
20:31:41 [trackbot]: issue-654 -- Add label and description changes to section "State and Property Change Events" -- open
20:31:41 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/654
20:32:19 [clown]: issue-696?
20:32:19 [trackbot]: issue-696 -- Glossary definition of "hidden" is inadequate -- open
20:32:19 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/696
20:32:32 [joanie]: JS: Rich, you raised issue-696.
20:32:38 [joanie]: RS: What's the current definition?
20:32:54 [joanie]: JS: And I don't think this is a Core AAM issue. But I can get a link for you.
20:33:15 [joanie]: JS: The definitions are shared.
20:33:56 [richardschwerdtfeger]: https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/
20:34:14 [richardschwerdtfeger]: https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#terms
20:34:19 [clown]: https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#dfn-hidden
20:35:30 [joanie]: RS: I would just close this. I'm ok with the definition.
20:35:36 [joanie]: JS: Done.
20:36:06 [clown]: issue-737
20:36:06 [trackbot]: issue-737 -- Determine platform mappings for new "term" role introduced in ARIA 1.1 -- open
20:36:06 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/737
20:36:23 [joanie]: JS: This issue might already be done.
20:36:36 [clown]: https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-term
20:36:44 [joanie]: JS: We have mappings for all of them (see above URL).
20:36:51 [joanie]: JS: I will close issue-737
20:37:11 [clown]: issue-738
20:37:11 [trackbot]: issue-738 -- UIA mapping for heading incorrect -- open
20:37:11 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/738
20:37:23 [joanie]: JS: Issue 738 might be done too.
20:37:56 [clown]: https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-heading
20:38:18 [clown]: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Dec/0039.html
20:38:19 [joanie]: JS: I sent an email to Bogdan.
20:38:38 [joanie]: s/Bogdan./Bogdan (see the above URL)./
20:38:51 [joanie]: JS: No response from Bogdan, though Stefan wanted more information.
20:40:07 [joanie]: JS: I will ping Bogdan.
20:40:26 [clown]: issue-1013?
20:40:26 [trackbot]: issue-1013 -- Is there a need for an aapi event for aria-errormessage -- open
20:40:26 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1013
20:40:40 [joanie]: JS: I raised issue-1013, but I'm not sure if it's relevant any more.
20:41:23 [joanie]: JS: Because it's tied to aria-invalid, events will be generated for every platform except UIA.
20:41:44 [clown]: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Feb/0419.html
20:42:13 [joanie]: JS: But there's an email from James Teh (URL above).
20:42:20 [joanie]: JS: Anyway, what do people think?
20:43:26 [joanie]: JD: I think we already get spammed with text-changed and children-changed and ...
20:43:54 [joanie]: RS: And there's the live-region-related events.
20:46:29 [joanie]: JD: the subsequent IA2-list discussion led to the creation of new relations (right?)
20:46:35 [joanie]: JS: Yes, but not new events.
20:46:50 [joanie]: JS: That said, the consensus seems to be we have plenty of events.
20:46:55 [joanie]: JS: So I'm closing this issue.
20:47:14 [clown]: issue-1024
20:47:14 [trackbot]: issue-1024 -- Should status role be mapped to Status Bar? -- open
20:47:14 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1024
20:47:48 [clown]: https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-status
20:50:12 [joanie]: JD: I'm good with mapping it to ROLE_STATUS_BAR on my platform.
20:50:41 [joanie]: JD: It's not *exactly* a status bar, but it behaves close(ish) enough to one.
20:51:02 [joanie]: RS: And ATs can check the xml-roles object attribute.
20:51:11 [joanie]: JS: Ok, closing this one as WONTFIX
20:51:14 [clown]: issue-1025
20:51:14 [trackbot]: issue-1025 -- Drive mappings of the new enumerated type values for aria-haspopup -- open
20:51:14 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1025
20:51:27 [joanie]: JS: I think issue-1025 is done.
20:51:33 [joanie]: JS: All actions are closed.
20:51:44 [joanie]: JS: Apple's done too.
20:52:14 [joanie]: RS: I think we're ok.
20:52:18 [joanie]: JS: Closing.
20:52:39 [clown]: issue-1026
20:52:39 [trackbot]: issue-1026 -- AAPI mappings for aria-errormessage -- open
20:52:39 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1026
20:52:52 [joanie]: JS: I think this one is nearly done. The only one that is open is AXAPI.
20:53:05 [joanie]: RS: So now we have test cases for that, which Joanie had asked for.
20:53:11 [joanie]: RS: So she can do the implementation.
20:53:25 [joanie]: JS: Has this been moved to a github issue?
20:54:34 [joanie]: JS: I'll find the github URL, add it to the tracker issue, and then close the tracker action and issue.
20:54:39 [joanie]: JS: Is that OK with everyone?
20:54:50 [joanie]: (Crickets)
20:54:54 [joanie]: JS: That's what I'll do then.
20:55:07 [clown]: issue-1038
20:55:07 [trackbot]: issue-1038 -- Need mappings for role="feed", "figure", "term" for all AAPIs -- open
20:55:07 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1038
20:55:16 [joanie]: JS: I think issue-1038 is in the same boat as the previous issue.
20:55:21 [joanie]: JS: All actions are closed.
20:55:32 [joanie]: JS: So I'll close this issue.
20:55:52 [clown]: aria-1041
20:55:58 [clown]: issue-1041
20:55:58 [trackbot]: issue-1041 -- Need mappings of aria-colcount, aria-colindex, aria-colspan, aria-rowcount, aria-rowindex, and aria-rowspan for all AAPIs -- open
20:55:58 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1041
20:56:29 [joanie]: JS: Issue 1041 is done too.
20:57:16 [clown]: issue-1042
20:57:16 [trackbot]: issue-1042 -- Need mappings for aria-details for all AAPIs -- open
20:57:16 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1042
20:57:38 [clown]: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Aug/0016.html
20:58:01 [joanie]: JS: Jason asked a question (see above URL).
20:58:12 [joanie]: JS: I answered him.
20:58:21 [joanie]: JS: The mappings should be there.
20:58:34 [joanie]: RS: Except for Mac.
20:58:45 [joanie]: JS: I guess we should leave this open since we're waiting on Mac.
20:58:55 [joanie]: RS: We have a github issue for it.
21:00:38 [clown]: issue-673
21:00:38 [trackbot]: issue-673 -- Need standard way to distinguish data tables from layout tables -- raised
21:00:38 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/673
21:01:49 [joanie]: JS: This doesn't look like an easy close.
21:05:01 [joanie]: JD: This isn't ARIA, but the issue described is a real issue.
21:05:16 [joanie]: JD: Different user agents do different things.
21:05:36 [joanie]: JD: If we want consistent exposure, then we probably need to prescribe it.
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21:05:55 [joanie]: JS: I will move this to github (assuming there's not already a github issue).
21:06:03 [joanie]: JS: And file it against HTML-AAM.
21:06:18 [joanie]: JD: Sounds good to me as it's not ARIA.
21:07:01 [joanie]: Zakim, part
21:07:01 [Zakim]: leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Joanmarie_Diggs, Bryan_Garaventa
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21:07:52 [joanie]: present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer,
21:07:54 [joanie]: Rich_Schwerdtfeger
21:08:11 [joanie]: present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
21:08:37 [joanie]: chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
21:09:05 [joanie]: RRSAgent, make minutes
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