Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference -- 06 Dec 2016

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<scribe> scribe: joanie

ACTION-2120: (Joseph/Bogdan) UIA: clean up mapping for aria-haspopup.

<clown> action-2120?

<trackbot> action-2120 -- Bogdan Brinza to UIA: clean up mapping for aria-haspopup -- due 2016-10-18 -- CLOSED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2120

JS: We talked about this last week.
... There was something in his original wording about aria-expanded.

<clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/467#issuecomment-263687119

JS: You (Rich) wrote a comment in github indicating it would not work (URL above).
... He reworded it, you (Rich) said it was fine.

<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaHaspopupTrue

JS: So I've merged it in.
... The URL above is an example (aria-haspopup="true")
... (Reads from spec)

RS: That it's an "if" (i.e. if the author has put it)

JS: Correction, I thought I had done the changes but I guess I did not.
... I have it locally.

<richardschwerdtfeger> Implement ExpandCollapse Control Pattern. If the element has aria-expanded (state), set the ExpandCollapseState property to match it.

RS: I see it updated.
... The text above is what I am seeing.

JS: Firefox is showing me the old wording.
... Chrome shows the correct wording.

RS: You good?

JS: I am good if everyone else is good.
... He (Bogdan) has closed the pull request.
... So I want to close the action.

RS: Ok.

JS: It's already closed. Bogdan closed it this morning.

ACTION-2070: (Joseph/Bogdan) Add UIA Range Value Pattern to the range related roles in the role mapping table (e.g., slider).

<clown> action-2070?

<trackbot> action-2070 -- Bogdan Brinza to Add UIA Range Value Pattern to the range related roles in the role mapping table (e.g., slider). -- due 2016-07-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2070

JS: This is something to do with the range value pattern as it applies to slider, scrollbar, and the like.

<clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/495

JS: He had a pull request.
... I looked at it yesterday, but it wasn't different.
... It appears that he updated it yesterday.
... Oh, he's combined it with figure, term, etc.

RS: Branch?

<clown> https://rawgit.com/boggydigital/aria/ACTION-2103/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-feed

JS: Link above for feed, which is the first one.

RS: Looks ok to me.
... Didn't we look at these last week?

JS: Figure looks good.

RS: Yup.

JS: Next is term, with control type of list item.

RS: OK

JS: Matches MSAA
... Next is aria-colcount.

<clown> https://rawgit.com/boggydigital/aria/ACTION-2103/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaColCount

RS: colindex goes on grid item, colspan does too.
... Looks good.
... rowcount goes on the grid.

JS: rowindex and rowspan also look good.

RS: Yup.

JS: Where did he do the range thing?
... He is doing something with a "range value pattern."
... It should be on slider.
... It says implement range control pattern. I think that's the new piece.

RS: Makes sense.

JS: On slider, spinbutton, scrollbar....

RS: I think we looked at these last week.

JS: What else is there?

RS: Progressbar

JS: That's the last one.

RS: And he did not do it the same way.

JS: There's an "if" on that one, because it can be indeterminate.

RS: That's odd.

JS: Do we want to ask a question?

JD: It's a busy indicator.

JS: Actually this is the same text we had.

RS: I think this is ok.
... We'll see what happens when we go through the actual testing.
... But this is good, he put them all in.

JS: I'll assign it to me as a reminder to pull it.

RS: Did he update the changelog?

JS: I don't think so, but I'll write myself a note to do it.

RS: This should close a lot of issues.

JS: I'll do a due date of tomorrow so it will start popping up later this week.
... I'll close it once I do the pull.

ISSUE-1038: (Bogdan) Mappings for feed, figure, term, and UIA in general.

<clown> issue-1038?

<trackbot> issue-1038 -- Need mappings for role="feed", "figure", "term" for all AAPIs -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1038

JS: This one we already dealt with.
... But this one also includes James Craig's work as a subaction.
... So I won't close this until James Craig does his stuff.

ISSUE-618: (All) Orphan test file.

<clown> issue-618?

<trackbot> issue-618 -- MSAA selection event mapping for single selection case when item becomes unselected -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/618

JS: I went through this yesterday to figure out what it was.
... I've since partially forgotten about it.
... Buried at the bottom is a comment from Cynthia that she made a test file for this.

<clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2014Jun/0007.html

JS: She didn't have a place for the file, so she emailed it to the xtech list (URL above)
... I did some digging and talked with Michael to see if the test ever made it into the harness, etc.
... We discovered that it only exists in this email.
... I'd like to push this off to the testing group to have them decide if they can use it.
... Whom can I choose from the testing group for this?

RS: Let me take a look.
... What is the test?

JS: It's for mapping when an item becomes unselected in MSAA and you want to see what event is emitted.
... I think it's a selection-remove event.

RS: Is it in the spec?

JS: I believe so.

RS: We can add it to the harness.
... But I don't know which specific item it belongs to.

JS: There is (and was) no test case for this.
... And it wasn't clear what the expected behavior should be.
... There was no test case in ARIA 1.0 for this.
... Alex told me they use selection-remove in this particular case.
... The case being the removal of selection from a single item in a container.

<richardschwerdtfeger> d

<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testreport?testsuite_id=1

<clown> "I've been asking the testing sub-group about this, and the current expectation is that we won't use the /WAI/PF/testharness/ tool at all, it will be fully covered by the automated test harness."

<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements

JS: The above statement is what Michael told me.

RS: And the URL I just provided is the right case.

JS: So it sounds like I can give this file to you, Rich.
... And you can decide to include it or decide it doesn't belong or whatever.

Group: (Discussion about status of events and testing thereof)

<clown> ACTION: Rich to deal with Cynthia's test file referenced in ISSUE-618 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/12/06-aapi-irc]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2129 - Deal with cynthia's test file referenced in issue-618 [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2016-12-13].

<richardschwerdtfeger> action-219?

<trackbot> Sorry, but action-219 does not exist.

<clown> action-2129

<trackbot> action-2129 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Deal with cynthia's test file referenced in issue-618 -- due 2016-12-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2129

JD: We added initial support to the ATTA, but I don't believe anyone has written any assertions yet.

Group: Rich will add this to his TODO list, a new action will be created, Rich will talk to Joanie and Shane before defining anything significant.

<richardschwerdtfeger> Talk to Shane and Joanie on how to handle events before doing the following:

<richardschwerdtfeger> Create a testable statement, test case, and expected results:

<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements

ISSUE-705: (Rich) Harmonize the list of mappings for MSAA, UIA, IA2, and possibly other platforms.

<clown> issue-705?

<trackbot> issue-705 -- Harmonize the list of mappings for MSAA, UIA, IA2, and possibly other platforms. -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/705

JS: I have a feeling this issue has been handled.
... But have a look at this and tell me if you think this issue is still valid.
... You (Rich) sent the original email out.

RS: I thought we went through all of that.

JS: That's my recollection, but I couldn't remember any details.
... Are we closing this issue?

RS: Sure.

ISSUE-654: (All) Add label and description changes to change event section.

<clown> issue-654?

<trackbot> issue-654 -- Add label and description changes to section "State and Property Change Events" -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/654

<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaDescribedBy

<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#event-aria-describedby

JS: This issue is about events.
... If the label or description changes, it fires an event.
... I think James Teh wanted an event for descriptions, and Firefox put it in.

<clown> https://w3c.github.io/aria/accname-aam/accname-aam.html#events

JS: I put the mappings in the accname-aam.
... If the description changes, an event is fired: description-changed.
... No one said you have to pay attention to it. But it's there if you need it.

BG: I brought it up.
... I have you a tooltip, and the tooltip element isn't showing/rendered, the description relationship would not be in place until the tooltip was rendered.

JS: The URL I gave has the event mapping for all platforms.

RS: One problem, you have "TBD" for AXAPI's accessible description.

JS: Joanie, would you happen to know off-hand if there's an event for this?

<clown> ACTION: Joanie to determine if AX API supports an event if the accessible description changes. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/12/06-aapi-irc]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2130 - Determine if ax api supports an event if the accessible description changes. [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2016-12-13].

JD: No, but I can grep through code.

<clown> action-2130

<trackbot> action-2130 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Determine if ax api supports an event if the accessible description changes. -- due 2016-12-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2130

JD: But I cannot do it while scribing.

Group: Give Joanie an action.

Triage issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23

<clown> issue-635

<trackbot> issue-635 -- Determine if uaig mappings for rowgroup are correct -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/635

JS: Alex added accessibles for rowgroup.
... The last thing is that everyone here, including Cynthia, agreed we should map rowgroup to something in the various accessibility APIs.

<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-rowgroup

JS: All provided mappings, but AXAPI.
... Before, rowgroup was not mapped to anything.
... There was a lot of discussion.
... James Craig thinks it should not be mapped and Firefox should remove it.
... Alex feels that authors could make rowgroups focusable, interactive, etc.
... James Craig, I believe, thinks authors should not do that.

RS: I don't think we'll get consensus on this one.
... So I would close it as a WONTFIX.
... Because we cannot achieve cross-platform consensus.
... And it's unlikely this will ever become a real issue.

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