W3C

Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

23 Jun 2016

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Steve, Addison, JcK, Richard, Najib
Regrets
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Addison Phillips

Contents


<scribe> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Jun/0030.html

Agenda

Action Items

https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

close action-399

<trackbot> Closed action-399.

action-404?

<trackbot> action-404 -- Dennis Tan Tanaka to Check on zwj and friends in idna so that we can document in charmod-norm -- due 2015-02-19 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/404

we decided that idna and friends are out of scope for charmod

close action-404

<trackbot> Closed action-404.

Info Share

reminder: sign up for TPAC!

richard: published the specdev
... and counter styles else in TR using echidna
... was really easy

addison: saw your email will try with charmod

richard: unicode 9 released on tuesday
... and uniview is updated

RADAR and Active Work Review

http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/radar/

http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/

<scribe> ACTION: addison: ping martin about unicode in xml [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-534 - Ping martin about unicode in xml [on Addison Phillips - due 2016-06-30].

richard: no comments on time and dates essential comments
... due yesterday
... so publish it?

yep

<JcK> FWIW, I forwarded the "time thing" announcement to a couple of IETF folks concerned about the issues, one of whom apparently re-forwarded to the mail calendaring list. So there should be no shortage of people with an opportunity to review

HTML 5.1 comments

http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/159

richard: need to step back a bit more

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/

https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/341

want to leave in, could be useful in some languages

use the incubator was suggested

addison: recollection was that this was kept in for past compat, that list-style-type was meant to replace it
... we'd want this taken away but for compat?

richard: if could auto-detect label, that'd be a cool feature
... write note before we close it saying we don't agree?

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/33

<scribe> ACTION: addison: add note to issue 33 saying we don't agree before closing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-535 - Add note to issue 33 saying we don't agree before closing [on Addison Phillips - due 2016-06-30].

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/128

close 127

127 is not a typo

close 128. theyy added type=submit to the ones that are default translatable

https://github.com/w3c/html/pull/503

https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/343

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/133

add a question about whether to be addressed or not

and 5.1 or 5.2?

richard: closing all annotation model comments since no objections

Move custom counter styles to Note

css working group has been discussing plans for next charter period

scribe: and supposed to be 3 year charter
... number of docs to rec in that time
... one is counter styles
... they expect it in rec in 2018
... thinking our draft might as well be a WG Note, rather than continue waiting for their publication

(predefined counter styles)

richard: it's currently a WD

call for a vote on publishing "custom built counter styles" as a WG Note

scribe: short name is predefined-counter-styles

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/predefined-counter-styles/

+1

<r12a> +1

<najib> +1

<JcK> +1

<Steve_Atkin> +1

so resolved

<scribe> ACTION: richard: publish predefined-counter-styles as a WG Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-536 - Publish predefined-counter-styles as a wg note [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-06-30].

Encoding spec

richard: need to take a decision to publish a new version of the Encoding CR
... there have been substantive changes since October

<r12a> https://github.com/whatwg/encoding/issues

richard: re-worked the double byte tests
... submitted pull requests to WPT
... link is to whatwg list for encoding
... created 7 issues there
... hoping they will get some impl discussion
... three possibilities
... one is to fix browser
... change spec to match browser
... or problem with the test
... hopefully not the last

<r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/tests/repo/results/encoding-dbl-byte.en

<r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/tests/repo/results/encoding-dbl-byte.en#gb18030

<scribe> ACTION: addison: file bugs against failing browsers, referring back to the encoding issue list, and update the encoding issues [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-537 - File bugs against failing browsers, referring back to the encoding issue list, and update the encoding issues [on Addison Phillips - due 2016-06-30].

richard: the encodings I reworked was multibyte
... haven't revisited single byte tests, generally better shape
... passing tests with two impls is a CR requirement
... weird thing here is 750K subtests
... when you see a "partial", that means like 0.0001% of tests might have failed
... usually not more than 1%
... is a failure rate of < 1% mean it doesn't count

addison: very many tests where we don't have two

?

richard: majority

<r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/tests/repo/results/encoding-sb-dec

steven: gb18030 concerns me the most

richard: test here is conformance to encoding spec
... might not be same as where gb18030 is defined elsewhere
... may be due to new version of 18030? maybe 18030:2005??
... anne doesn't expect mappings to be identical to other people's
... based on browser behaivor
... or merging things
... more tests coming shortly through this process
... replacement encoding and utf-16 encodings and maybe user-defined

steven: is there an impact on node.js

addison: js is a unicode beast

steven: need to think about more, want to think about it. could be subtle

resolve to publish a new CR?

richard: may need to pub another one later
... problem is that current snapshot is confusing since it doesn't match whatwg version
... your TR isn't up to date

addison: can just track publish if whatwg's changes
... mapping tables different from spec/algorithm

richard: no tests for API either

<scribe> ACTION: addison: work with richard and PLH to establish procedure for bringing changes to encoding forward [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-538 - Work with richard and plh to establish procedure for bringing changes to encoding forward [on Addison Phillips - due 2016-06-30].

resolve: in principle publish new encoding CR?

+1

<r12a> +1

<Steve_Atkin> +1

<najib> +1

<JcK> +1 (with procedural note)

addison: additional changes including exit of CR requires WG approval

<JcK> +1 with "in principle"

AOB?

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: addison: add note to issue 33 saying we don't agree before closing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: file bugs against failing browsers, referring back to the encoding issue list, and update the encoding issues [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: ping martin about unicode in xml [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: work with richard and PLH to establish procedure for bringing changes to encoding forward [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: publish predefined-counter-styles as a WG Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
 

Summary of Resolutions

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