Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference -- 27 May 2016

<deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160527

<deirdrelee> Scribe: ericstephan

<deirdrelee> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160527

<deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Approve last week's minutes https://www.w3.org/2016/05/20-dwbp-minutes

<deirdrelee> +1

<annette_g> +1

<phila> +1

<antoine> +1

<Caroline> +0 wasn't in the call

<BartvanLeeuwen> +0 not present

RESOLUTION: Approve last week's minutes https://www.w3.org/2016/05/20-dwbp-minutes

+0 I lied I was not present sorry

<riccardoAlbertoni> +1

Dissementation

<deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dwbp-LC-campaign

deirdrelee: Table available to collect feedback, keep sending email invitations for feedback
... Phil any feedback from public?

phila: Spatial data working group is very happy and can see how the DWBP BP can be leveraged and relates to what they do
... One specific comment, if your dataset is only precise to 2 decimal places and you have more, then you should publish with 2 decimal places.

<Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dwbp-LC-campaign.PT#Listas_Promovidas

Caroline: I want to mention that besides the wiki you made, Laufer translated the table to portuguese to reach out to others, Brazilians and other portuguese speakers

deirdrelee: very good idea, how do we start to handle comments as they come in from different venues?
... do we post comments from others if they come in to us directly or how should we handle this?

BernadetteLoscio: I think we should track the comments in mail, and put them a table to make sure we address them.

BartvanLeeuwen: What is the formal procedure for handling comments in the w3c?
... If I am putting in comments into email, I am responsible for managing the question...

phila: The director can see on one page the comments that have been received, the actions the wg took, and the responses to the contributor to make sure their comments were addressed.
... Exactly what mechanism is used, comment tracker, table, etc. doesn't matter, what matters is what we capture
... and that we track it

antoine: why wouldn't we use the comment tracker? For the BP was useful

deirdrelee: It was not always popular in the group

:-/ Sorry...

BernadetteLoscio: If we have the comments in the mailing list it should be satisfactoy

<phila> 1+ to ask Eric and Annette about decimal places

<BartvanLeeuwen> +1 as well

deirdrelee: guiding people to the mailing list might be the most useful for out circumstances

<phila> One thing I miss is the advice to use significant figures in numerical

<phila> data. It is an easy way to make the data match their uncertainty, and in

<phila> many cases it helps to compact data too. Numerical data with the wrong

<phila> number of significant digits is a very common problem in geographical data

<phila> (e.g. geographic coordinates with nanometre precision).

<Zakim> phila, you wanted to ask Eric and Annette about decimal places

phila: How should we handle the question from the spatial data working group?

+1 that it pertains to more than spatial data

<annette_g> +1 to that

<BartvanLeeuwen> +1 as well

<annette_g> also, it's a real issue to go from high precision to appropriate reporting accuracy

deirdrelee: Even questions that are out of scope, should be addressed

+1 annette_g

<Caroline> +1 to Phil's suggestion to address it to spatial data WG

<phila> ericstephan: I just wanted to mention... I'm working with time series DBs right now. We're deadling with time precision.

<phila> ... Sometimes the data carries ridiculous precision that might be confusing or not needed. On the Web, it would be nice for us to talk about numerical data in this way.

<phila> ... Some words to the effect that this might be useful. If it's just in SDW-BP, that might get lost. I'd like to icnlude it if we could.

<BartvanLeeuwen> +1 to not being a spatial thing

annette_g: I want to reiterate it is not just a spatial data, its how you interpret the data, I feel it is out of scope for what we do.

deirdrelee: We need a comment tracker now

<BernadetteLoscio> ok ;)

Caroline: Just to make sure understand, we need a comment tracker, we could use the wiki, but comment tracker might not be the most useful in our circumstances

(I'm trying to dictate with a softer voice)

<PWinstanley> can we use the github issue tracker?

annette_g: we should be really clear to go about call to action up from about how to submit comments.

<annette_g> we need to include the contact info

antoine: how about we use the regular issue track?
... trackerer

<PWinstanley> the github

BernadetteLoscio: We are going to create the wiki page to collect the comments and send a link to the group to track the comments.

antoine: Are you talkig about the issue tracker?

Caroline: To make sure we understand, we are not creating a table on the wiki but using the google docs or github? We have a wiki page to see all the comments?
... We have a link from a wiki page

<annette_g> we still need to have an official place for people who are outside the group to send their comments to.

deirdrelee: official wiki tracker, wiki page and link to google docs or github?

Caroline: JUst to respond to annette_g , the implementation grid, we will have a google doc form for the responder, gather all the answers in a table.

<deirdrelee> public-dwbp-comments@w3.org

Caroline: we have the open mailing list to receive comments from the public,

<laufer> in all cases, we need a way of inspecting in an easy way the "state" of the comment.

<Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dwbp-LC-campaign.PT

<phila> That's the one that anyone can write to, which is not true of the WG's main list which is only writable by subscribers

<deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dwbp-LC-campaign

annette_g: I didn't see the link to the comments ....

<deirdrelee> public-dwbp-w@w3.org

<deirdrelee> public-dwbp-wg@w3.org

phila: Its a separate list, the public comments tracker anyone can submit a email to.

We have to subscribe to the other mailing list so that receive them.

Caroline: If you get comments privately, twitter, etc just forward to public comments.

phila: There are many that are subscribed to the public mailing list

BernadetteLoscio: Is the group okay with the last comments in the documents? We are planning to do something similar

phila: Yes

<annette_g> +1 for whatever works for the editors

<Caroline> thank you! :)

<Caroline> we can put the "state of the comment" in the tool we will use :)

laufer: What was very good, was that it worked internally really well, just not sure how well it works for people outside the group. How are the comments tracked and shared?

BernadetteLoscio: I think the editors want to use something other than the comment tracker even though it is an exceptional tool, it isn't useful for us in our particular circumstances
... If we make a change to the document, we can make a link to that.

deirdrelee: Whatever works for the editors and helps the public see how the comments are being resolved, perhaps Annette's suggestion to put it on the wiki might be useful

phila: Are we prepared to add a new BP, or make changes to a BP at this point?

+1 for adding anything that is missing

<annette_g> I think it depends on the comments we get. There will be a lot of people seeing this for the first time.

BernadetteLoscio: We should be really careful, to add a new bp can be a lot of work, with approach, example, discussion etc.

<phila> ericstephan: I understand how hard people have been working, but if there is a BP, and if someone asks a question and if we can identify the elements thet Berna just mentioned then we should consider it.

<phila> ... But if the idea sounds a bit vauge and it woujld delay things, then we probably won't include it.

<BernadetteLoscio> +1 Eric

<BernadetteLoscio> :)

<BernadetteLoscio> +1 Phil!

phila: We could reply and say that yes any numerical data, could you write it for us or could you help us write it? (reply to public commenter)

annette_g: I think I want to say that setting a standard for us to add something we need to have consensus in the group

deirdrelee: against adding BP just because of the timing at this point that we won't have another round of public request for comments

<phila> PROPOSED: That PhilA replies to Frans Knibbe saying that we discussed his comment. No consensus whether this is relevant to data on the Web specifically and we're too close to deadline for comments.

<annette_g> no

<laufer> I did not understood that we are discussind thia comment

<laufer> this

<Zakim> Caroline, you wanted to talk about the implementation grid

deirdrelee: This discussion might be a bit confusing, are we addressing one issue or general issue of adding BPs
... In terms of the comment collection, when will something set up that we can add comments?

Caroline: Can you make an action for us?

ACTION Caroline Put together something to collect and manage comments

<trackbot> Created ACTION-282 - Put together something to collect and manage comments [on Caroline Burle - due 2016-06-03].

<Caroline> thank you for creating the action! :)

laufer: Are we discussing the comment of accuracy?

:-)

<deirdrelee> +1

Implementation Grid

<BernadetteLoscio> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Implementation_Report

<BernadetteLoscio> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1a9cOGzWJTIhh2OrAemvWBR8f0rv5xqvL03pJeMrotCo/edit#gid=0

Caroline: Take a look please, create a implementation report, for now it would be much easier for people testing the BPs to fill in form in google docs.
... We want to make it possible for anyone who wants to publsih data at no matter what level, to add their experiences to the table.

<annette_g> warning for anyone copy/pasting the template for soliciting comments: the comments email gets munged with the links that follow it. The last paragraph also may need a line return to make it easy to scan.

BernadetteLoscio: I think we are going to have two cases, there is a data set where the bp was already implemented, the second is where someone publishes using our BP.

<Makx> +q

BernadetteLoscio: Someone can implement several BP when publishing a dataset.

Makx: I had a question in the implementation report, I would like to link the implimentation to guidelines that uses that BP, so there is a level between the BP and the guidance being used by an implementor

deirdrelee: You also have the mediums of channels, pointing to metadata in data.gov in that data portal, as Makx said, it could be a policy, or a dataset.

<annette_g> @Caroline, when I copied and pasted it from the web page, and pasted it into an email, I got "public-dwbp-comments@w3.org(subscribearchives)" (no spaces)

BernadetteLoscio: I don't know if we could have the same report for different types of implementations

<annette_g> … and there was no blank line above that paragraph.

<Caroline> thank you annette_g :)

<annette_g> yw

phila: What we are trying to do, is providing candidate recommendation criteria, What Makx is talking about (guidelines) it says do this. It is good evidence if it is a policy, also datasets are good, they are all different kinds of evidenee

BernadetteLoscio: I think we can improve and work together the spreadsheet, I am trying to make it easier to have some questions that could help to guide, feedback is welcome, maybe if phila has some time, we could have a scribe to discuss this

deirdrelee: Maybe the form corresponding to the bp would be useful.

PING call

<phila> scribe: phila

<ericstephan> https://www.w3.org/Privacy/ socialize and sensitize W3C activities to privacy issues

ericstephan: There os Privacy Interest Group that has been goin gon for some time.
... I had signed up for that IG a while back and recent became involved again.

<ericstephan> http://gregnorc.github.io/ping-privacy-questions/

ericstephan: I looked at a privacy questionnaire that one f the members had built and took our BPs and built a spreadsheet
... I'm starting to weigh our BPs against it. Many of them don't pertain to privacy questions, but some do.
... I found that geenrally the PING ... I found it as an opp to socilaise what we're doing.
... There isn't a set of agreed upon issues that the PING is working on.
... The questionnaire I'm using is a draft but I've found it very useful to think about some of the aspects of privacy.
... If we can go through this exercise and maybe auigment the BP doc slightly with things we might it have addressed.
... I see it as a +ve opportunity to think about differnet aspects
... I'm working on that in the coming week so I should have it done. I had a Q about past WGs, such as the prov WG.
... Some of the reasons for Prov is to track and understand how data originated.

Just to let you know, ericstephan, we're looking at a follow on PROV WG...

ericstephan: I'm not raising a flag. But people should be aware of privacy when publishing data and metadata.

<annette_g> great job, Eric!

deirdrelee: Very relevant stuff that we have talked about on and off over the years

<Caroline> +1 to congratulate ericstephan :)

deirdrelee: Let's follow up on e-mail

<Caroline> thank you ericstephan

<BernadetteLoscio> thanks a lot!

phila: Thanks Eric for taking that on - much appreciated

<ericstephan> Thank you all

<BernadetteLoscio> +1 to Caroline!

deirdrelee: Keep gathering those comments!

<laufer> bye all

<yaso> Thanks all!

<yaso> Bye!

<BartvanLeeuwen> bye

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Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

27 May 2016

Attendees

Contents

Dissementation

Implementation Grid

PING call

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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