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Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

11 Feb 2016

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Alistair, Chrism, David, JF, Jatin, Kim, alan, jeanne, jon_avila
Regrets
Jan, Marc, Henny
Chair
Kimberly_Patch
Scribe
jeanne

Contents


<Kim> clear agenda

<scribe> scribe: jeanne

Revisions to 2.5.3 Failure from Jonathan https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2016Feb/0008.html

github version: http://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-TF-Note/Techniques/FM001

<David> can you drop it in again

<David> I just got in

https://github.com/w3c/Mobile-A11y-Extension

<Kim> http://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-TF-Note/Techniques/FM001

<Kim> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page

<Kim> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Development_Assignments

KP: introduces where work is stored

<alan_smith> Request for link to scribe instructions that I lost as I changed jobs.

Group home page: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/

RESOLUTION: Accept updates to the FM001 Failure of 2.5.3

Continue through SC's - https://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-Extension/#touch-and-pointer

<David> An web page has

KP: We have worked on touch target size last week.

2.5.4 was finished last week

Looking at 2.5.5

Device manipulation

AG: Is that shaking the device? Is there a definition for device manipulation?

AS: I am also concerned at the choice of words. SOme devices have a stylus, where the main control is not a gesture.
... when "device interaction is required" is what I am thinking about.

DM: If there are any physical manipulation that are beyond touch and keyboard, there must be a touch and keyboard alternative. For example, a shaking gesture might be impossible for someone with a chair mounted device. They need another touch or keyboard means of interacting.

AG: maybe instead of device manipulation maybe we should use motion control. We are using the device as a motion controller. Shaking, tilt, roll, thrust, wave

CM: I can wave at the camera.

AS: Voice input as well.

<jon_avila> what about other device manipluation such as the mute button

KP: there are other sounds as well.

<jon_avila> It's much more than just movement

JF: We have the technology today that is gesture in front of the camera.

DM: I think we should break them into broad categories --

CM: We need a broad term and then specific techniques

DM: Gestures are too specific a term.

JF: If everyone on the call recognizes "device manipulation", then just define it and use the term.

AG: I think "physical device manipulation"

<jon_avila> Article about different types of interactions/manipulations http://uwdata.github.io/hcid520/readings/Hinckley-SensingMobile.pdf

DM: manipulation is physical.

AG: We need to separate out the touch aspect.

<David> Definition of manjipulation : to move or control (something) with your hands or by using a machine

<David> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/manipulate

<jon_avila> holding, proximity, touch, voice, walking, shaking, looking at, angle of holding, etc.

AG: We may have to say that visual is different and covered in a different section. Voice input is different and covered in a different section

DM: We haven't talked about holding your hand to the camera is another area that we need to work in.

KP: We are talking about physical movement of the phone for this SC.

DM: It would be a different success criterion for visual and voice input.

KP: Physical, visual to the camera, voice to the microphone.

<jon_avila> Are device buttons covered here or somewhere else?

AG: It is interaction with the phone without using the screen.

DM: Would we also want to include GPS as another issue? I think that is independent of the user.
... I think we should not address the issues of how the device operates without interaction with the user (GPS, accelerometer, etc)

<JF> +1

JS: I think we should capture the issues with input, and addres them later, and we should focus on finishing 2.5 Touch.

<David> David: want to distinguish between the device relationship to the person, and the device relationship to the evnironment. Mike, camera and shaking are related to the person, whereas GPS, accelerator, height measurement etc are the devices relationship to the environment.

CM: Then device manipulation doesn't belong under touch.

<David> David: I think we need to address the device relationship to person, but not device relationship to environment.

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

  1. Accept updates to the FM001 Failure of 2.5.3
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