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15:50:22 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_MATF
15:50:22 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
15:50:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:50:23 <trackbot> Date: 11 February 2016
15:50:31 <Kim>  chair: Kimberly_Patch
15:51:08 <Kim> agenda+  Revisions to 2.5.3 Failure from Jonathan  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2016Feb/0008.html
15:51:09 <Kim> agenda+   Continue through SC's - https://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-Extension/#touch-and-pointer
15:51:11 <Kim> agenda+   Understanding
15:51:12 <Kim> agenda+   Review assignments http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Development_Assignments
15:51:14 <Kim> agenda+   Next steps –  next meeting February 18
15:51:20 <Kim> clear agenda
15:51:26 <Kim> agenda+  Revisions to 2.5.3 Failure from Jonathan  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2016Feb/0008.html
15:51:27 <Kim> agenda+   Continue through SC's - https://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-Extension/#touch-and-pointer
15:51:29 <Kim> agenda+   Understanding
15:51:30 <Kim> agenda+   Review assignments http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Development_Assignments
15:51:32 <Kim> agenda+   Next steps –  next meeting February 18
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16:03:39 <Kim> Regrets+ Jan
16:03:51 <AGarrison> Present+ Alistair
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16:15:00 <Jatin> Present+
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16:16:20 <jeanne> scribe: jeanne
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16:16:35 <jeanne> zakim, take up item 1
16:16:35 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Revisions to 2.5.3 Failure from Jonathan  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2016Feb/0008.html" taken up [from Kim]
16:17:38 <jeanne> github version: http://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-TF-Note/Techniques/FM001
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16:18:30 <David> can you drop it in again
16:18:39 <David> I just got in
16:18:59 <jeanne> https://github.com/w3c/Mobile-A11y-Extension
16:19:01 <Kim> http://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-TF-Note/Techniques/FM001
16:20:00 <Kim> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page
16:21:06 <Kim> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Development_Assignments
16:21:32 <jeanne> KP: introduces where work is stored
16:22:52 <JF> Q+
16:24:12 <AGarrison> q-
16:25:07 <JF> Present+ Chrism
16:26:36 <alan_smith> Request for link to scribe instructions that I lost as I changed jobs.
16:28:01 <JF> ack JF
16:28:13 <JF> ack det
16:30:45 <jeanne> Group home page: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/
16:32:51 <jeanne> RESOLUTION: Accept updates to the FM001 Failure of 2.5.3
16:33:01 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
16:33:01 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Continue through SC's - https://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-Extension/#touch-and-pointer" taken up [from Kim]
16:33:13 <David> An web page has
16:34:00 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
16:34:00 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, jeanne
16:35:07 <jeanne> KP: We have worked on touch target size last week.
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16:36:42 <jeanne> 2.5.4 was finished last week
16:36:59 <jeanne> Looking at 2.5.5
16:37:18 <jeanne> Device manipulation
16:37:38 <jeanne> AG: Is that shaking the device? Is there a definition for device manipulation?
16:38:27 <jeanne> AS: I am also concerned at the choice of words.  SOme devices have a stylus, where the main control is not a gesture.
16:38:49 <jeanne> ... when "device interaction is required" is what I am thinking about.
16:40:24 <jeanne> DM: If there are any physical manipulation that are beyond touch and keyboard, there must be a touch and keyboard alternative. For example, a shaking gesture might be impossible for someone with a chair mounted device. They need another touch or keyboard means of interacting.
16:41:34 <JF> Q+
16:43:13 <jeanne> AG: maybe instead of device manipulation maybe we should use motion control.  We are using the device as a motion controller.  Shaking, thrust, wave
16:43:34 <jeanne> CM: I can wave at the camera.
16:43:44 <jeanne> AS: Voice input as well.
16:43:53 <jon_avila> what about other device manipluation such as the mute button
16:43:57 <jeanne> KP: there are other sounds as well.
16:44:15 <jon_avila> It's much more than just movement
16:44:20 <jeanne> JF: We have the technology today that is gesture in front of the camera.
16:44:57 <jeanne> DM: I think we should break them into broad categories --
16:45:27 <jeanne> CM: We need a broad term and then specific techniques
16:45:44 <jeanne> DM: Gestures are too specific a term.
16:46:52 <jeanne> JF: If everyone on the call recognizes "device manipulation", then just define it and use the term.
16:47:05 <jeanne> AG: I think "physical device manipulation"
16:47:15 <jon_avila> Article about different types of interactions/manipulations http://uwdata.github.io/hcid520/readings/Hinckley-SensingMobile.pdf
16:47:37 <jeanne> DM: manipulation is physical.
16:47:55 <jeanne> AG: We need to separate out the touch aspect.
16:48:00 <David> Definition of manjipulation : to move or control (something) with your hands or by using a machine
16:48:10 <David> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/manipulate
16:48:22 <jon_avila> holding, proximity, touch, voice, walking, shaking, looking at, angle of holding, etc.
16:48:26 <jeanne> s/Shaking, thrust, wave/Shaking, tilt, roll, thrust, wave
16:49:05 <jeanne> AG: We may have to say that visual is different and covered in a different section.  Voice input is different and covered in a different section
16:49:42 <jeanne> DM: We haven't talked about holding your hand to the camera is another area that we need to work in.
16:50:22 <jeanne> KP: We are talking about physical movement of the phone for this SC.
16:50:44 <jeanne> DM: It would be a different success criterion for visual and voice input.
16:51:11 <jeanne> KP: Physical, visual to the camera, voice to the microphone.
16:51:27 <jon_avila> Are device buttons covered here or somewhere else?
16:51:39 <jeanne> AG: It is interaction with the phone without using the screen.
16:52:44 <jeanne> DM: Would we also want to include GPS as another issue?  I think that is independent of the user.
16:55:08 <jeanne> ... I think we should not address the issues of how the device operates without interaction with the user (GPS, accelerometer, etc)
16:55:40 <JF> +1
16:56:48 <jeanne> JS: I think we should capture the issues with input, and addres them later, and we should focus on finishing 2.5 Touch.
16:56:58 <David> David: want to distinguish between the device relationship to the person, and the device relationship to the person. Mike, camera and shaking are related to the person, whereas GPS, accelerator, height measurement etc are the devices relationship to the environment.
16:57:07 <jeanne> CM: Then device manipulation doesn't belong under touch.
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16:58:31 <David> s/person, and the device relationship to the person/person, and the device relationship to the evnironment
16:59:40 <David> David: I think we need to address the device relationship to person, but not device relationship to environment.
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