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Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference

15 Jul 2015

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Attendees

Present
Janina, Katie_Haritos-Shea, MichaelC, ShaneM, JamesN
Regrets
JohnF, Fred
Chair
Janina
Scribe
ShaneM

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 15 July 2015

<janina> agenda: this

<janina> chair: Janina

preview agenda with items from two minutes

<scribe> Scribenick: ShaneM

ShaneM: Second Screen Working Group is reviewing their presentation API draft against the MAUR and will get back to the PFWG in Septemberl

Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open

<MichaelC> action-1631 due 1 week

<trackbot> Set action-1631 Review credential management level 1 http://www.w3.org/tr/credential-management-1/ due date to 2015-07-22.

<MichaelC> action-1631: Shane has comments from Manu Sporny to process

<trackbot> Notes added to action-1631 Review credential management level 1 http://www.w3.org/tr/credential-management-1/.

<MichaelC> action-1669?

<trackbot> action-1669 -- Katie Haritos-Shea to Look at data on the web best practices http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/ -- due 2015-07-08 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1669

<MichaelC> action-1669: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Jul/0029.html

<trackbot> Notes added to action-1669 Look at data on the web best practices http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/.

<Ryladog> http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/

Ryladog: what I recommended is that they add to the diagram about "data on the web challenges"
... ACA requires some meaningful use rules about electronic health records and A11Y
... suggested they add something about data formats to include one WCAG 2 conforming data type
... or include the information elsewhere in the document

MichaelC: the question is what makes a data format conforming to WCAG 2?

<janina> OK to DOM4

cynthia: Concerned about proprietary

jamesn: How can a data format be accessible? Isn't it hidden?

MichaelC: WCAG cares about whether the data can be presented to the user
... if we tell them this they are going to ask what to do. What do we tell them?

Ryladog: that's why I mentioned plain text or CSV

MichaelC: That's fine - just don't mention WCAG then.

cyns: Plain formats do assist the user agent in helping information be exposed.
... you might want to look at the WCAG accessibility supported stuff

janina: you might want to refer to these minutes so it is clear that we discussed it when you talk to them

MichaelC: Note that this is NOT a last call.

new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html

<MichaelC> CSS Basic User Interface Module Level 3 (CSS3 UI)

MichaelC: I think that we want to review this

janina: what is the timeframe and who will look at it

MichaelC: this came up when talking about grid style sheets. We were worried about DOM and navigation order

JanesM: There is a whole much of stuff in here that is of interest. Text overflow...

MichaelC: "overflow ellipsis" which actually sounds interesting

<MichaelC> ACTION: cooper to review CSS Basic User Interface Module Level 3 (CSS3 UI) http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-css-ui-3-20150707/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1682 - Review css basic user interface module level 3 (css3 ui) http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/cr-css-ui-3-20150707/ [on Michael Cooper - due 2015-07-22].

MichaelC: I am interested in reviewing this but dont want to be the only reviewer

<MichaelC> ACTION: nurthen to review CSS Basic User Interface Module Level 3 (CSS3 UI) http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-css-ui-3-20150707/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1683 - Review css basic user interface module level 3 (css3 ui) http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/cr-css-ui-3-20150707/ [on James Nurthen - due 2015-07-22].

JamesN: I am going to look at it anyway. Might not raise real comments.

MichaelC: Should have at least one other person

Cyns: timeline?

janina: I would like to do something by early August.

MichaelC: its about 50 pages.

Cyns: I could have something near the end of August...

<MichaelC> ACTION: cynthia to review CSS Basic User Interface Module Level 3 (CSS3 UI) http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-css-ui-3-20150707/ - due 30 Aug [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1684 - Review css basic user interface module level 3 (css3 ui) http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/cr-css-ui-3-20150707/ [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2015-08-30].

<MichaelC> action-1684 due 27 Aug

<trackbot> Set action-1684 Review css basic user interface module level 3 (css3 ui) http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/cr-css-ui-3-20150707/ due date to 2015-08-27.

MichaelC: Make it due the 27th August. Put it on the agenda for that day

<MichaelC> action-1683 due 27 Aug

<trackbot> Set action-1683 Review css basic user interface module level 3 (css3 ui) http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/cr-css-ui-3-20150707/ due date to 2015-08-27.

<MichaelC> action-1682 due 27 Aug

<trackbot> Set action-1682 Review css basic user interface module level 3 (css3 ui) http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/cr-css-ui-3-20150707/ due date to 2015-08-27.

<MichaelC> Tracking Compliance and Scope

MichaelC: last call ends 7 October 2015

<MichaelC> ACTION: janina to manage review of http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-tracking-compliance-20150714/ Tracking Compliance and Scope (note explicit review request needs response) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1685 - Manage review of http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/wd-tracking-compliance-20150714/ tracking compliance and scope (note explicit review request needs response) [on Janina Sajka - due 2015-07-22].

<MichaelC> action-1685 due 29 July

<trackbot> Set action-1685 Manage review of http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/wd-tracking-compliance-20150714/ tracking compliance and scope (note explicit review request needs response) due date to 2015-07-29.

ShaneM: I need a pointer to the problems about embedding content via CSS.

janina: might have discussed it at the CSS joint meeting in Santa Clara

MichaelC: we have been going back and forth on this. It isn't clear that it is always a problem.
... there are philosophical reasons to not do it

janina: but we haven't resolved the issues with it so we prefer it is avoided

MichaelC: the CSS object model accommodates embedded content but not sure where that is with browser implementation

JamesN; WAI allows this already. the content gets included in the accessible name calculation

scribe: it is true that it is less robust than having the content included in the document.
... but conforming user agents expose the information through the accessibility API

<MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=522

<MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=552

ShaneM: Sounds like modern user agents do this right. I am going to let it go.

Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/

<MichaelC> Accessible Online Learning Community Group

<MichaelC> Decentralized Sharing Community Group

MichaelC: Seems dead

Rechartering Progress

janina: 15 more days to vote. AC reps please get your comments in!

TPAC 2013 Update

janina: no particular progress to report.

Cyns: who should I talk to about things to do in Sapporo?

MichaelC: Naomi Yoshizawa (sp?) I will forward an introduction email

MAUR Finalization (Redux)

JohnF has a matrix to update

janina has to send out an email to the commentors to review our resolutions.

Document is up to date.

Captcha, Multi-Factor Authentication Note Discussion

janina: could we add multifactor authentication to this? They are not dissimilar

ShaneM: Good point - we should incorporate that

janina: there are a fair number of resources when we looked at this before. Let's get a draft out before TPAC.

Driverless Accessibility User Requirements -- Preliminary Discussion

janina: when we have a meeting with them we could offer to do a DUAR document.
... this is bigger than you think and sooner than you think
... we can provide the A11Y thinking and also interact with this new working group

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: cooper to review CSS Basic User Interface Module Level 3 (CSS3 UI) http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-css-ui-3-20150707/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: cynthia to review CSS Basic User Interface Module Level 3 (CSS3 UI) http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-css-ui-3-20150707/ - due 30 Aug [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: janina to manage review of http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-tracking-compliance-20150714/ Tracking Compliance and Scope (note explicit review request needs response) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: nurthen to review CSS Basic User Interface Module Level 3 (CSS3 UI) http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-css-ui-3-20150707/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html#action02]
 
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