IRC log of pf on 2015-07-15

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15:53:29 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
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I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 15 July 2015
15:53:43 [janina]
agenda?
15:53:47 [janina]
Chair: Janina
15:53:47 [janina]
agenda: this
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agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:53:47 [janina]
agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open
15:53:48 [janina]
agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:53:49 [janina]
agenda+ Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
15:53:52 [janina]
agenda+ Rechartering Progress [See Below]
15:53:54 [janina]
agenda+ TPAC 2013 Update [See Below]
15:53:57 [janina]
agenda+ ARIA.Next Items
15:53:59 [janina]
agenda+ Other Task Force Updates; COGA; SVG; HTML-A11Y--HTML Reorganization
15:54:02 [janina]
agenda+ MAUR Finalization (Redux)
15:54:04 [janina]
agenda+ Captcha, Multi-Factor Authentication Note Discussion
15:54:07 [janina]
agenda+ Driverless Accessibility User Requirements -- Preliminary Discussion
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agenda+ Other Business
15:54:12 [janina]
agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273
15:54:15 [janina]
agenda+ be done
15:54:27 [janina]
present+ Janina
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chair: Janina
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agenda?
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zakim, next item
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agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
15:58:54 [ShaneM]
present+ ShaneM
15:59:10 [janina]
regrets: Fred
16:08:06 [Ryladog]
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Scribenick: ShaneM
16:08:42 [ShaneM]
zakim, who is here?
16:08:42 [Zakim]
sorry, ShaneM, I don't know what conference this is
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On IRC I see Ryladog, Zakim, RRSAgent, ShaneM, MichaelC, joanie, janina, trackbot
16:09:14 [Ryladog]
Present+ Katie Hariots-Shea
16:09:29 [MichaelC]
present+ MichaelC
16:09:47 [Ryladog]
Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:10:06 [MichaelC]
present- Katie Hariots-Shea
16:10:34 [MichaelC]
present+ JamesN
16:11:01 [ShaneM]
regrets: JohnF
16:11:08 [ShaneM]
rrsagent, make minutes
16:11:08 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html ShaneM
16:11:29 [ShaneM]
rrsagent, make minutes public
16:11:29 [RRSAgent]
I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', ShaneM. Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:11:53 [ShaneM]
regrets: JohnF, Fred
16:13:50 [ShaneM]
ShaneM: Second Screen Working Group is reviewing their presentation API draft against the MAUR and will get back to the PFWG in Septemberl
16:13:56 [ShaneM]
zakim, next item
16:13:56 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
16:15:45 [MichaelC]
action-1631 due 1 week
16:15:45 [trackbot]
Set action-1631 Review credential management level 1 http://www.w3.org/tr/credential-management-1/ due date to 2015-07-22.
16:15:56 [MichaelC]
action-1631: Shane has comments from Manu Sporny to process
16:15:56 [trackbot]
Notes added to action-1631 Review credential management level 1 http://www.w3.org/tr/credential-management-1/.
16:17:00 [MichaelC]
action-1669?
16:17:00 [trackbot]
action-1669 -- Katie Haritos-Shea to Look at data on the web best practices http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/ -- due 2015-07-08 -- OPEN
16:17:00 [trackbot]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1669
16:17:48 [MichaelC]
action-1669: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Jul/0029.html
16:17:49 [trackbot]
Notes added to action-1669 Look at data on the web best practices http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/.
16:18:19 [Ryladog]
http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/
16:18:46 [ShaneM]
Ryladog: what I recommended is that they add to the diagram about "data on the web challenges"
16:19:36 [ShaneM]
... ACA requires some meaningful use rules about electronic health records and A11Y
16:20:03 [ShaneM]
... suggested they add something about data formats to include one WCAG 2 conforming data type
16:20:50 [ShaneM]
... or include the information elsewhere in the document
16:22:45 [ShaneM]
MichaelC: the question is what makes a data format conforming to WCAG 2?
16:23:23 [janina]
OK to DOM4
16:23:31 [ShaneM]
cynthia: Concerned about proprietary
16:23:59 [ShaneM]
jamesn: How can a data format be accessible? Isn't it hidden?
16:24:09 [ShaneM]
MichaelC: WCAG cares about whether the data can be presented to the user
16:24:56 [ShaneM]
... if we tell them this they are going to ask what to do. What do we tell them?
16:25:06 [ShaneM]
Ryladog: that's why I mentioned plain text or CSV
16:25:18 [ShaneM]
MichaelC: That's fine - just don't mention WCAG then.
16:25:53 [ShaneM]
cyns: Plain formats do assist the user agent in helping information be exposed.
16:26:03 [ShaneM]
... you might want to look at the WCAG accessibility supported stuff
16:26:37 [ShaneM]
janina: you might want to refer to these minutes so it is clear that we discussed it when you talk to them
16:26:43 [ShaneM]
MichaelC: Note that this is NOT a last call.
16:26:58 [ShaneM]
zakim, next item
16:26:58 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:27:25 [MichaelC]
-> http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-css-ui-3-20150707/ CSS Basic User Interface Module Level 3 (CSS3 UI)
16:28:39 [ShaneM]
MichaelC: I think that we want to review this
16:28:44 [ShaneM]
janina: what is the timeframe and who will look at it
16:29:05 [ShaneM]
MichaelC: this came up when talking about grid style sheets. We were worried about DOM and navigation order
16:29:23 [ShaneM]
JanesM: There is a whole much of stuff in here that is of interest. Text overflow...
16:29:40 [ShaneM]
MichaelC: "overflow ellipsis" which actually sounds interesting
16:30:57 [MichaelC]
action: cooper to review CSS Basic User Interface Module Level 3 (CSS3 UI) http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-css-ui-3-20150707/
16:30:58 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-1682 - Review css basic user interface module level 3 (css3 ui) http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/cr-css-ui-3-20150707/ [on Michael Cooper - due 2015-07-22].
16:30:59 [ShaneM]
MichaelC: I am interested in reviewing this but dont want to be the only reviewer
16:31:05 [MichaelC]
action: nurthen to review CSS Basic User Interface Module Level 3 (CSS3 UI) http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-css-ui-3-20150707/
16:31:05 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-1683 - Review css basic user interface module level 3 (css3 ui) http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/cr-css-ui-3-20150707/ [on James Nurthen - due 2015-07-22].
16:31:13 [ShaneM]
JamesN: I am going to look at it anyway. Might not raise real comments.
16:31:21 [ShaneM]
MichaelC: Should have at least one other person
16:31:48 [ShaneM]
Cyns: timeline?
16:32:02 [ShaneM]
janina: I would like to do something by early August.
16:32:21 [ShaneM]
MichaelC: its about 30 pages.
16:32:32 [ShaneM]
Cyns: I could have something near the end of August...
16:32:37 [ShaneM]
s/30 pages/50 pages/
16:32:57 [MichaelC]
action: cynthia to review CSS Basic User Interface Module Level 3 (CSS3 UI) http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-css-ui-3-20150707/ - due 30 Aug
16:32:58 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-1684 - Review css basic user interface module level 3 (css3 ui) http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/cr-css-ui-3-20150707/ [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2015-08-30].
16:33:06 [MichaelC]
action-1684 due 27 Aug
16:33:06 [trackbot]
Set action-1684 Review css basic user interface module level 3 (css3 ui) http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/cr-css-ui-3-20150707/ due date to 2015-08-27.
16:33:13 [ShaneM]
MichaelC: Make it due the 27th August. Put it on the agenda for that day
16:33:16 [MichaelC]
action-1683 due 27 Aug
16:33:16 [trackbot]
Set action-1683 Review css basic user interface module level 3 (css3 ui) http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/cr-css-ui-3-20150707/ due date to 2015-08-27.
16:33:19 [MichaelC]
action-1682 due 27 Aug
16:33:19 [trackbot]
Set action-1682 Review css basic user interface module level 3 (css3 ui) http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/cr-css-ui-3-20150707/ due date to 2015-08-27.
16:34:09 [MichaelC]
-> http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-tracking-compliance-20150714/ Tracking Compliance and Scope
16:36:00 [ShaneM]
MichaelC: last call ends 7 October 2015
16:36:33 [MichaelC]
action: janina to manage review of http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-tracking-compliance-20150714/ Tracking Compliance and Scope (note explicit review request needs response)
16:36:33 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-1685 - Manage review of http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/wd-tracking-compliance-20150714/ tracking compliance and scope (note explicit review request needs response) [on Janina Sajka - due 2015-07-22].
16:37:12 [MichaelC]
action-1685 due 29 July
16:37:12 [trackbot]
Set action-1685 Manage review of http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/wd-tracking-compliance-20150714/ tracking compliance and scope (note explicit review request needs response) due date to 2015-07-29.
16:40:42 [ShaneM]
ShaneM: I need a pointer to the problems about embedding content via CSS.
16:41:00 [ShaneM]
janina: might have discussed it at the CSS joint meeting in Santa Clara
16:42:01 [ShaneM]
MichaelC: we have been going back and forth on this. It isn't clear that it is always a problem.
16:42:12 [ShaneM]
... there are philosophical reasons to not do it
16:42:24 [ShaneM]
janina: but we haven't resolved the issues with it so we prefer it is avoided
16:43:08 [ShaneM]
MichaelC: the CSS object model accommodates embedded content but not sure where that is with browser implementation
16:43:31 [ShaneM]
JamesN; WAI allows this already. the content gets included in the accessible name calculation
16:44:45 [ShaneM]
... it is true that it is less robust than having the content included in the document.
16:45:00 [ShaneM]
... but conforming user agents expose the information through the accessibility API
16:45:01 [MichaelC]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=522
16:45:43 [MichaelC]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=552
16:46:44 [ShaneM]
ShaneM: Sounds like modern user agents do this right. I am going to let it go.
16:46:53 [ShaneM]
zakim, next item
16:46:53 [Zakim]
agendum 4. "Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/" taken up [from janina]
16:47:31 [MichaelC]
-> https://www.w3.org/community/accesslearn/ Accessible Online Learning Community Group
16:50:23 [MichaelC]
-> https://www.w3.org/community/decsharing/ Decentralized Sharing Community Group
16:50:53 [ShaneM]
MichaelC: Seems dead
16:51:17 [ShaneM]
zakim, next item
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agendum 5. "Rechartering Progress" taken up [from See Below]
16:52:12 [ShaneM]
janina: 15 more days to vote. AC reps please get your comments in!
16:52:18 [ShaneM]
zakim, next item
16:52:18 [Zakim]
agendum 6. "TPAC 2013 Update" taken up [from See Below]
16:52:38 [ShaneM]
janina: no particular progress to report.
16:53:05 [ShaneM]
Cyns: who should I talk to about things to do in Sapporo?
16:53:23 [ShaneM]
MichaelC: Naomi Yoshizawa (sp?) I will forward an introduction email
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zakim, take up item 9
16:55:30 [Zakim]
agendum 9. "MAUR Finalization (Redux)" taken up [from janina]
16:56:02 [ShaneM]
JohnF has a matrix to update
16:56:30 [ShaneM]
janina has to send out an email to the commentors to review our resolutions.
16:56:37 [ShaneM]
Document is up to date.
16:56:51 [ShaneM]
zakim, take up item10
16:56:51 [Zakim]
agendum 10. "Captcha, Multi-Factor Authentication Note Discussion" taken up [from janina]
16:57:46 [ShaneM]
janina: could we add multifactor authentication to this? They are not dissimilar
16:57:59 [ShaneM]
ShaneM: Good point - we should incorporate hat
16:58:02 [ShaneM]
s/hat/that/
16:58:29 [ShaneM]
janina: there are a fair number of resources when we looked at this before. Let's get a draft out before TPAC.
16:58:32 [ShaneM]
zakim, take up item 11
16:58:32 [Zakim]
agendum 11. "Driverless Accessibility User Requirements -- Preliminary Discussion" taken up [from janina]
16:59:51 [ShaneM]
janina: when we have a meeting with them we could offer to do a DUAR document.
17:00:02 [ShaneM]
... this is bigger than you think and sooner than you think
17:00:56 [ShaneM]
... we can provide the A11Y thinking and also interact with this new working group
17:01:50 [ShaneM]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html ShaneM
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rrsagent. adjourn
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rrsagent, adjourn
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'adjourn', ShaneM. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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rrsagent, stop listening
17:04:08 [RRSAgent]
I'm logging. I don't understand 'stop listening', ShaneM. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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