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15:53:31 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
15:53:32 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
15:53:32 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
15:53:32 <trackbot> Date: 15 July 2015
15:53:43 <janina> agenda?
15:53:47 <janina> Chair:  Janina
15:53:47 <janina> agenda: this
15:53:47 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:53:47 <janina> agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open
15:53:48 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:53:49 <janina> agenda+ Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
15:53:52 <janina> agenda+ Rechartering Progress [See Below]
15:53:54 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2013 Update [See Below]
15:53:57 <janina> agenda+ ARIA.Next Items
15:53:59 <janina> agenda+  Other Task Force Updates; COGA; SVG; HTML-A11Y--HTML Reorganization
15:54:02 <janina> agenda+ MAUR Finalization (Redux)
15:54:04 <janina> agenda+ Captcha, Multi-Factor Authentication Note Discussion
15:54:07 <janina> agenda+ Driverless Accessibility User Requirements -- Preliminary Discussion
15:54:09 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:54:12 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273
15:54:15 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:54:27 <janina>  present+ Janina
15:54:31 <janina> chair: Janina
15:54:35 <janina> agenda?
15:55:34 <janina> zakim, next item
15:55:34 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
15:58:54 <ShaneM> present+ ShaneM
15:59:10 <janina> regrets: Fred
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16:08:36 <ShaneM> Scribenick: ShaneM
16:08:42 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here?
16:08:42 <Zakim> sorry, ShaneM, I don't know what conference this is
16:08:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ryladog, Zakim, RRSAgent, ShaneM, MichaelC, joanie, janina, trackbot
16:09:14 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie Hariots-Shea
16:09:29 <MichaelC> present+ MichaelC
16:09:47 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:10:06 <MichaelC> present- Katie Hariots-Shea
16:10:34 <MichaelC> present+ JamesN
16:11:01 <ShaneM> regrets: JohnF
16:11:08 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes
16:11:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html ShaneM
16:11:29 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes public
16:11:29 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', ShaneM.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:11:53 <ShaneM> regrets: JohnF, Fred
16:13:50 <ShaneM> ShaneM: Second Screen Working Group is reviewing their presentation API draft against the MAUR and will get back to the PFWG in Septemberl
16:13:56 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
16:13:56 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
16:15:45 <MichaelC> action-1631 due 1 week
16:15:45 <trackbot> Set action-1631 Review credential management level 1 http://www.w3.org/tr/credential-management-1/ due date to 2015-07-22.
16:15:56 <MichaelC> action-1631: Shane has comments from Manu Sporny to process
16:15:56 <trackbot> Notes added to action-1631 Review credential management level 1 http://www.w3.org/tr/credential-management-1/.
16:17:00 <MichaelC> action-1669?
16:17:00 <trackbot> action-1669 -- Katie Haritos-Shea to Look at data on the web best practices http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/ -- due 2015-07-08 -- OPEN
16:17:00 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1669
16:17:48 <MichaelC> action-1669: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Jul/0029.html
16:17:49 <trackbot> Notes added to action-1669 Look at data on the web best practices http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/.
16:18:19 <Ryladog> http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/
16:18:46 <ShaneM> Ryladog: what I recommended is that they add to the diagram about "data on the web challenges"
16:19:36 <ShaneM> ... ACA requires some meaningful use rules about electronic health records and A11Y
16:20:03 <ShaneM> ... suggested they add something about data formats to include one WCAG 2 conforming data type
16:20:50 <ShaneM> ... or include the information elsewhere in the document
16:22:45 <ShaneM> MichaelC: the question is what makes a data format conforming to WCAG 2?
16:23:23 <janina> OK to DOM4
16:23:31 <ShaneM> cynthia: Concerned about proprietary
16:23:59 <ShaneM> jamesn: How can a data format be accessible?  Isn't it hidden?
16:24:09 <ShaneM> MichaelC: WCAG cares about whether the data can be presented to the user
16:24:56 <ShaneM> ... if we tell them this they are going to ask what to do.  What do we tell them?
16:25:06 <ShaneM> Ryladog: that's why I mentioned plain text or CSV
16:25:18 <ShaneM> MichaelC: That's fine - just don't mention WCAG then.
16:25:53 <ShaneM> cyns: Plain formats do assist the user agent in helping information be exposed.
16:26:03 <ShaneM> ... you might want to look at the WCAG accessibility supported stuff
16:26:37 <ShaneM> janina: you might want to refer to these minutes so it is clear that we discussed it when you talk to them
16:26:43 <ShaneM> MichaelC: Note that this is NOT a last call.
16:26:58 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
16:26:58 <Zakim> agendum 3. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:27:25 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-css-ui-3-20150707/ CSS Basic User Interface Module Level 3 (CSS3 UI)
16:28:39 <ShaneM> MichaelC: I think that we want to review this
16:28:44 <ShaneM> janina: what is the timeframe and who will look at it
16:29:05 <ShaneM> MichaelC: this came up when talking about grid style sheets.  We were worried about DOM and navigation order
16:29:23 <ShaneM> JanesM: There is a whole much of stuff in here that is of interest.  Text overflow...
16:29:40 <ShaneM> MichaelC: "overflow ellipsis" which actually sounds interesting
16:30:57 <MichaelC> action: cooper to review CSS Basic User Interface Module Level 3 (CSS3 UI) http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-css-ui-3-20150707/
16:30:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1682 - Review css basic user interface module level 3 (css3 ui) http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/cr-css-ui-3-20150707/ [on Michael Cooper - due 2015-07-22].
16:30:59 <ShaneM> MichaelC: I am interested in reviewing this but dont want to be the only reviewer
16:31:05 <MichaelC> action: nurthen to review CSS Basic User Interface Module Level 3 (CSS3 UI) http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-css-ui-3-20150707/
16:31:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1683 - Review css basic user interface module level 3 (css3 ui) http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/cr-css-ui-3-20150707/ [on James Nurthen - due 2015-07-22].
16:31:13 <ShaneM> JamesN:  I am going to look at it anyway.  Might not raise real comments.
16:31:21 <ShaneM> MichaelC: Should have at least one other person
16:31:48 <ShaneM> Cyns: timeline?
16:32:02 <ShaneM> janina: I would like to do something by early August.
16:32:21 <ShaneM> MichaelC: its about 30 pages.
16:32:32 <ShaneM> Cyns: I could have something near the end of August...
16:32:37 <ShaneM> s/30 pages/50 pages/
16:32:57 <MichaelC> action: cynthia to review CSS Basic User Interface Module Level 3 (CSS3 UI) http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/CR-css-ui-3-20150707/ - due 30 Aug
16:32:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1684 - Review css basic user interface module level 3 (css3 ui) http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/cr-css-ui-3-20150707/ [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2015-08-30].
16:33:06 <MichaelC> action-1684 due 27 Aug
16:33:06 <trackbot> Set action-1684 Review css basic user interface module level 3 (css3 ui) http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/cr-css-ui-3-20150707/ due date to 2015-08-27.
16:33:13 <ShaneM> MichaelC: Make it due the 27th August.  Put it on the agenda for that day
16:33:16 <MichaelC> action-1683 due 27 Aug
16:33:16 <trackbot> Set action-1683 Review css basic user interface module level 3 (css3 ui) http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/cr-css-ui-3-20150707/ due date to 2015-08-27.
16:33:19 <MichaelC> action-1682 due 27 Aug
16:33:19 <trackbot> Set action-1682 Review css basic user interface module level 3 (css3 ui) http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/cr-css-ui-3-20150707/ due date to 2015-08-27.
16:34:09 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-tracking-compliance-20150714/ Tracking Compliance and Scope
16:36:00 <ShaneM> MichaelC: last call ends 7 October 2015
16:36:33 <MichaelC> action: janina to manage review of http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-tracking-compliance-20150714/ Tracking Compliance and Scope (note explicit review request needs response)
16:36:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1685 - Manage review of http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/wd-tracking-compliance-20150714/ tracking compliance and scope (note explicit review request needs response) [on Janina Sajka - due 2015-07-22].
16:37:12 <MichaelC> action-1685 due 29 July
16:37:12 <trackbot> Set action-1685 Manage review of http://www.w3.org/tr/2015/wd-tracking-compliance-20150714/ tracking compliance and scope (note explicit review request needs response) due date to 2015-07-29.
16:40:42 <ShaneM> ShaneM: I need a pointer to the problems about embedding content via CSS.
16:41:00 <ShaneM> janina: might have discussed it at the CSS joint meeting in Santa Clara
16:42:01 <ShaneM> MichaelC: we have been going back and forth on this.  It isn't clear that it is always a problem.
16:42:12 <ShaneM> ... there are philosophical reasons to not do it
16:42:24 <ShaneM> janina: but we haven't resolved the issues with it so we prefer it is avoided
16:43:08 <ShaneM> MichaelC: the CSS object model accommodates embedded content but not sure where that is with browser implementation
16:43:31 <ShaneM> JamesN;  WAI allows this already.  the content gets included in the accessible name calculation
16:44:45 <ShaneM> ... it is true that it is less robust than having the content included in the document.
16:45:00 <ShaneM> ... but conforming user agents expose the information through the accessibility API
16:45:01 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=522
16:45:43 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=552
16:46:44 <ShaneM> ShaneM: Sounds like modern user agents do this right.  I am going to let it go.
16:46:53 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
16:46:53 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/" taken up [from janina]
16:47:31 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/community/accesslearn/ Accessible Online Learning Community Group
16:50:23 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/community/decsharing/ Decentralized Sharing Community Group
16:50:53 <ShaneM> MichaelC: Seems dead
16:51:17 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
16:51:17 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Rechartering Progress" taken up [from See Below]
16:52:12 <ShaneM> janina: 15 more days to vote.  AC reps please  get your comments in!
16:52:18 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
16:52:18 <Zakim> agendum 6. "TPAC 2013 Update" taken up [from See Below]
16:52:38 <ShaneM> janina: no particular progress to report.
16:53:05 <ShaneM> Cyns: who should I talk to about things to do in Sapporo?
16:53:23 <ShaneM> MichaelC: Naomi Yoshizawa (sp?)  I will forward an introduction email
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16:55:30 <ShaneM> zakim, take up item 9
16:55:30 <Zakim> agendum 9. "MAUR Finalization (Redux)" taken up [from janina]
16:56:02 <ShaneM> JohnF has a matrix to update
16:56:30 <ShaneM> janina has to send out an email to the commentors to review our resolutions.
16:56:37 <ShaneM> Document is up to date.
16:56:51 <ShaneM> zakim, take up item10
16:56:51 <Zakim> agendum 10. "Captcha, Multi-Factor Authentication Note Discussion" taken up [from janina]
16:57:46 <ShaneM> janina: could we add multifactor authentication to this?  They are not dissimilar
16:57:59 <ShaneM> ShaneM: Good point - we should incorporate hat
16:58:02 <ShaneM> s/hat/that/
16:58:29 <ShaneM> janina: there are a fair number of resources when we looked at this before.  Let's get a draft out before TPAC.
16:58:32 <ShaneM> zakim, take up item 11
16:58:32 <Zakim> agendum 11. "Driverless Accessibility User Requirements -- Preliminary Discussion" taken up [from janina]
16:59:51 <ShaneM> janina: when we have a meeting with them we could offer to do a DUAR document.
17:00:02 <ShaneM> ... this is bigger than you think and sooner than you think
17:00:56 <ShaneM> ... we can provide the A11Y thinking and also interact with this new working group
17:01:50 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes
17:01:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/15-pf-minutes.html ShaneM
17:03:44 <ShaneM> rrsagent. adjourn
17:03:56 <ShaneM> rrsagent, adjourn
17:03:56 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'adjourn', ShaneM.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:04:08 <ShaneM> rrsagent, stop listening
17:04:08 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'stop listening', ShaneM.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
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