<Michiel> I actually started on a aria-errormessage sample today after @jamesn proposal on the mailinglist: http://codepen.io/Michiel/pen/cabaf9fa42087fe04ea9c1ad66994553

Ann Abbott, scribe

<jamesn> scribe: annabbott

<Michiel> I only just started so it’s not that much yet.

New example development planning and planning wiki page (James)

<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practices-Patterns-Status

Reviewed column not up-to-date, since last update.

Jon Gunderson has added several

Missing lots of code samples

James: how to add new

Ian hopes to have some time

Katie: have tried looking at ARIA techniques and modifying them?

James: we could, but most are not full widget patterns

Brian: work on full widgets?

James: yes, some are more simple and should be easier

<jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/tree/master/practices

James: all examples are in github
... in examples directory
... Jon added spinbutton and slider
... post in wiki if working on one
... add name and some text in column
... add link if applicable
... currently do not have pattern for error messages
... refer to Jon's examples for consistency

Ann: pattern for error messages - is that for alert messages?

Michiel: no, not really

Brian: Rich has list of highest priority bugs

<jamesn> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=ARIA

<Michiel> Link to the spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/roles#alert

<jamesn> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28914

Ian: any priority?

James: start on ones that have been reviewed
... and most interesting

Complete TreeView review

<Michiel> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/#TreeView

<jamesn> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/practices/aria-practices.html#TreeView

<jamesn> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&list_id=58001&query_format=advanced&short_desc=pattern-treeview&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr

<jamesn> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28840

Group agrees: make * expands all nodes "Optional"

James: no one is likely to do that and it is platform-specific
... what do we loose whether it is "Optional" or dropped entirely?
... numeric keypad only is so it doesn't look for first entry starting with *
... let's not worry about it as it will be "Optional"

Group agrees

Discuss Accordion and how to tackle

<jamesn> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/practices/aria-practices.html#accordion

<jamesn> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26254

James: if someone implements Accordion per spec will cause problems

Bryan: aria roles are what is causing problem

James: that's an AT problelm
... kbd pattern would have to change dramatically
... wary of pulling it out entirely. Proposes to leave existing as is and add new with expand/collapse regions
... hopes to obsolete existing in favor of new
... make sure existing is implement-able

Bryan: indicate which is more usable

Group agrees

James: description will need to change
... do we have simple hide/show pattern?

Group agrees we do not have

<jamesn> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28917

Bryan: main problem is reading order issue

<jamesn> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28916

<jamesn> https://jqueryui.com/accordion/

James: jqueryui example demonstrates kbd issues
... this example doesn't have form elements

Bryan: developers try to fix using role="application"

James: hierarchy is broken

<Ryladog_> ciao

James: Doesn't intend to go thru existing accordion pattern
... need grouping technique
... will attempt in next couple weeks
... no other agenda items for today
... Matt should be back next week

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