IRC log of aria-apg on 2015-07-06
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- Meeting: ARIA APG TF
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- Agenda+ New example development planning and planning wiki page (James)
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- Agenda+ Complete TreeView review
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- Agenda+ Discuss Accordion and how to tackle
- 17:13:13 [Michiel]
- I actually started on a aria-errormessage sample today after @jamesn proposal on the mailinglist: http://codepen.io/Michiel/pen/cabaf9fa42087fe04ea9c1ad66994553
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- Ann Abbott, scribe
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- scribe: annabbott
- 17:13:35 [Michiel]
- I only just started so it’s not that much yet.
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- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "New example development planning and planning wiki page (James)" taken up [from jamesn]
- 17:13:52 [jamesn]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practices-Patterns-Status
- 17:14:32 [annabbott]
- Reviewed column not up-to-date, since last update.
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- Jon Gunderson has added several
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- Missing lots of code samples
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- James: how to add new
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- Ian hopes to have some time
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- Katie: have tried looking at ARIA techniques and modifying them?
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- James: we could, but most are not full widget patterns
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- Brian: work on full widgets?
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- James: yes, some are more simple and should be easier
- 17:17:28 [jamesn]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria/tree/master/practices
- 17:17:33 [annabbott]
- James: all examples are in github
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- James: in examples directory
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- James: Jon added spinbutton and slider
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- James: post in wiki if working on one
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- James: add name and some text in column
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- James: add link if applicable
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- James: currently do not have pattern for error messages
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- James: refer to Jon's examples for consistency
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- Ann: pattern for error messages - is that for alert messages?
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- Michiel: no, not really
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- Brian: Rich has list of highest priority bugs
- 17:24:11 [jamesn]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=ARIA
- 17:24:34 [Michiel]
- Link to the spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/roles#alert
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- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28914
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- Ian: any priority?
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- James: start on ones that have been reviewed
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- James: and most interesting
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2. "Complete TreeView review" taken up [from jamesn]
- 17:30:50 [Michiel]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/#TreeView
- 17:30:50 [jamesn]
- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/practices/aria-practices.html#TreeView
- 17:31:40 [jamesn]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&list_id=58001&query_format=advanced&short_desc=pattern-treeview&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr
- 17:33:44 [jamesn]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28840
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- Group agrees: make * expands all nodes "Optional"
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- James: no one is likely to do that and it is platform-specific
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- James: what do we loose whether it is "Optional" or dropped entirely?
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- James: numeric keypad only is so it doesn't look for first entry starting with *
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- James: let's not worry about it as it will be "Optional"
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- Group agrees
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3. "Discuss Accordion and how to tackle" taken up [from jamesn]
- 17:42:02 [jamesn]
- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/practices/aria-practices.html#accordion
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- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26254
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- James: if someone implements Accordion per spec will cause problems
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- Bryan: aria roles are what is causing problem
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- James: that's an AT problelm
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- James: kbd pattern would have to change dramatically
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- James: wary of pulling it out entirely. Proposes to leave existing as is and add new with expand/collapse regions
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- James: hopes to obsolete existing in favor of new
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- James: make sure existing is implement-able
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- Bryan: indicate which is more usable
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- Group agrees
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- James: description will need to change
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- James: do we have simple hide/show pattern?
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- Group agrees we do not have
- 17:54:09 [jamesn]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28917
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- Bryan: main problem is reading order issue
- 17:54:28 [jamesn]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28916
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- https://jqueryui.com/accordion/
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- James: jqueryui example demonstrates kbd issues
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- James: this example doesn't have form elements
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- Bryan: developers try to fix using role="application"
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- James: hierarchy is broken
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- ciao
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- James: Doesn't intend to go thru existing accordion pattern
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- James: need grouping technique
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- James: will attempt in next couple weeks
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- James: no other agenda items for today
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- James: Matt should be back next week
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- I want to thank everyone, this was interesting, I’ve added it to my calander; so I’ll try and attend more often.
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