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<Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
<JamieKnight> Hello
<Lisa_Seeman> Hello Jamie!
<JamieKnight> Hello Lisa_Seeman
<JamieKnight> ok
<JamieKnight> Hello Mike_Pluke
<Lisa_Seeman> scribe: mike
<JamieKnight> I'm hearing repeat on the audio?
<JamieKnight> have muted my end
<MichaelC> scribe: Mike_Pluke
<JamieKnight> thanks
<Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/open
<Lisa_Seeman> ACTION: lisa to write up new time lines [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/27-coga-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-101 - Write up new time lines [on Lisa Seeman - due 2015-05-04].
<JamieKnight> Wiki would be preferred by me
<Lisa_Seeman> Jamie/ typing is fine
Mike Pluke said that he would try to complete his two outstanding actions by the next weekly meeting.
<JamieKnight> Sounds good
Tony will try to complete the attention and distraction item within the agreed time
<JamieKnight> Any thoughts about ID10 . Who / DSM regarding Autism?
Ayelet will continue to work on action 89
The remaining actions were reviewed.
Ayelet's email referring to out-of-date material in the user research document was raised.
<JamieKnight> i would say no.
<JamieKnight> I would say we enable communication, how its used is up to the user.
<JamieKnight> This is a problem for users without any issues.
There was a question on whether other dementia's that, for example, cause inapprorpriate behaviour should be covered.
<Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Safety
<JamieKnight> I would say out of scope, as inappropriate behaviour happens from people with and without disabilities.
<JamieKnight> thanks :D
<JamieKnight> Okay, one mo
<JamieKnight> Let me type my reply :D
<ayelet_s> great
<JamieKnight> Sorry, no speech today, i had it, then it went.
<JamieKnight> Thanks
<ayelet_s> don't forget to take me off the speaker que :)
<Lisa_Seeman> Jamie as soon as you are ready
<JamieKnight> inapporepate behaviour is a matter of opinion. This is a huge issue in the autism world, expression (even when not ideal) is expression, if someone lands in prison due to bad behaviour, that is one of ways they get help.
<Tony_Doran> Jamie++
<JamieKnight> I think its a very grey area, its about who controls the editorial stuff. Eg, culture, religion etc.
<Tony_Doran> You have the right to be offensive.
Lisa mentioned a potential solution for inappropriate behaviour in the form of a social channel with a built-in delay.
+1
<Tony_Doran> If that is what you want. It is content production in a way.
<JamieKnight> For example, someone who i knew was in a religious care home, they considered his sexuality part of his "autism" and tried to "cure" it.
<neilmilliken> I agree with Jamie I think this is the thin end of the wedge]
<neilmilliken> we open the door to censorship
<ayelet_s> what if we just have a mechanism to alert people that their content may be viewed as inappropriate?
<JamieKnight> ayelet_s: i could see value in that.
<JamieKnight> ayelet_s: may be very hard to develop tho.
<Tony_Doran> Yep - they could chose to ignore and not be bothered again
<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to talk about Web scope
<Tony_Doran> It wouldn't be easy to make agreed ;)
Lisa queries whether there could be an issue paper on this topic
Michael suggesting that this could be out of scope for W3C
<ddahl> It would be very difficult to know if conduct is appropriate or inappropriate in general, there are a lot of cultural differences, too
<JamieKnight> is the accommodation ways of asking for help? For example, my line manager often helps me draft emails. Eg, proactive requests rather than censorship?
<JamieKnight> More help by collaboration.
<ayelet_s> such things do exist in relation to terrorism, there might be a similar mechanism that could be made, maybe not
<ayelet_s> that's a great idea Jamie
<JamieKnight> MichaelC: probably not web scope imho.
Neil argues that it could be within W3C scope - even though he is sceptical about pursuing this work. Therefore may be OK to do an issue paper.
<JamieKnight> support to learn / contribute rather than a gateway to communities?
<JamieKnight> I have the same poison as neil, skeptical but open to the idea of a paper
<MichaelC> I can imagine a ¨technique¨ for documentation to help people with cognitive disabilities, and we say in the technique the sort of things that should be documented.
<JamieKnight> *position
<JamieKnight> can you repeat what you said please lisa
<neilmilliken> +1 for exploratory paper
<ayelet_s> +1
<richardschwerdtfeger> +1
<JamieKnight> +1 worth thinking about questions
+1
<Tony_Doran> +1 for the paper but again not sure what we can do here.
Consensus is for an issue paper.
<ayelet_s> I'm not sure I have the right skill sets and education, but if no one else volunteers then I will try and research it
<JamieKnight> ayelet_s: i would be happy to collaborate? Ive not done anything like this before tho, so i can't promise i will add velocity.
<ayelet_s> 4th, if you include finishing the citations, but it's all right
Ayelet and Jamie will collaborate with Debra to review/edit it
<ayelet_s> Jamie, I'd love to collaborate though I'd also be new at it.
<Lisa_Seeman> ACTION: Ayelet and Jamie will collaborate with Debra on issue paper to address help appropriate behaviors [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/27-coga-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-102 - And jamie will collaborate with debra on issue paper to address help appropriate behaviors [on Ayelet Seeman - due 2015-05-04].
<Lisa_Seeman> next item
<JamieKnight> +1 like that idea :D
<Lisa_Seeman> next item
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/wiki/SVG_Accessibility
Richard is asking for any issues related to cognitive accessibility that can be taken into account when developing the SVG work
<jamieknight_> I have some idea's whats the best place to send them?
<Lisa_Seeman> here,
<jamieknight_> okies
<Lisa_Seeman> or on the list
<Lisa_Seeman> here is great
Potential cross-cutting issues with mobile and SVG
<jamieknight_> i have 3 items, is it good to mention them here?
<Lisa_Seeman> yes please do!
Questions such as what might need to be added to a chart, or navigation techniques to make things easier for people with cognitive issues.
<jamieknight_> To add to what lisa is saying, when a graphic contains multiple flows, the ability to hide nodes to just show one flow for example, so i can understand the process then see all the examples.
Lisa suggested some ideas such as highlighting parts of graph to co-ordinate with spoken description.
<jamieknight_> aka: "bility to remove node from complex diagrams to show just one example end to end (e.g. for flow diagrams with dozens of flows)"
<Lisa_Seeman> clear easy to use icons
Another suggestion, from Lisa, when making icons with SCG is there a way of saying who this icon is suited for?
<jamieknight_> for example, you could tag an icon as "literal" . "metaphor" for people with autism.
<neilmilliken> Like that jamie
<jamieknight_> "wash you hand in the toiled (metaphor)" - "wash you have before leaving the bathroom. Do not wash hands in the toilet basin"
<jamieknight_> *toiled = toilet
<Lisa_Seeman> ACTION: lisa to check that litral or mefor is in the page of suggested aria sematics [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/27-coga-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-103 - Check that litral or mefor is in the page of suggested aria sematics [on Lisa Seeman - due 2015-05-04].
<Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Svg_comments
<jamieknight_> yes
<Lisa_Seeman> ok we will weight for you
<jamieknight_> Another one i find very difficult was a way of representing venn diagrams, e.g. when objects overlap the SVG tree does not have a way of saying items overlap, so for example, in a venn diagram its hard to know how much they overlap (a little or a lot)
<jamieknight_> Eg, "Autism and MMR" overlap 0%.... Autism and Obsession would overlap 50%
<jamieknight_> yes
<jamieknight_> very hard to guess at surface area
<jamieknight_> Also useful for blind users?
<jamieknight_> not sure how to achieve it. but would be super useful to know how much a venn diagram overlaps on hover for example.
<Lisa_Seeman> also needs to adress dyculcla
<jamieknight_> venn diagram has hidden meaning
Neil suggests that for dyscalculia the problem would be an understanding of the underlying concepts (e.g. the numbers). Charts as such can be problemantic.
<Lisa_Seeman> next item
<Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Easy_Personalization
<jamieknight_> Thats a great idea!
Lisa introduced the Easy Personalization approach (described in the above link) - with examples.
<Lisa_Seeman> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2015Apr/0094.html
<Tony_Doran> I need to drop off.
<ayelet_s> my phone threw me off the call and I can't get back on
<jamieknight_> CSS styles would work, but they would need to be higher in the cascade IMHO
<Lisa_Seeman> OK WE ARE ENDING
<jamieknight_> okies, yay!
Revisit this topic next time. Could possibly be used to tweak what we are doing with JSON scripts.
<jamieknight_> Thanks, yay *blushies*
<jamieknight_> great thanks :D Much appreciated. Its very comfortable :D
<jamieknight_> Goodbye all, have a fab day!
<Lisa_Seeman> Thanks Jamie
<Lisa_Seeman> zakim: who is here
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