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<trackbot> Date: 21 August 2014
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<jeanne> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Development_Assignments
Talking about procedure, make changes clear on the changes page. On the technique development assignments page, fill in unassigned with your name, and when they are ready, change "incomplete" to "unchanged" or "complete".
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/G10
Jeanne going through G10, which needed a new example – turned out to be more complicated than it looked
Detlev: example seems quite technical, for everyone but an iOS programmer it might not mean much
Jeanne: good feedback – really it needs completely different example
Detlev: need to know that coded so ActiveX controls pass on name role state whatever to API. So we need some example that replicates that idea in the mobile space – this might not be the best one. I'm not sure about environments for test on mobile phones.
<jeanne> ... needs to refer to accessibility test tools that the user could use
Detlev: I think it would have to refer to tools – I'm not quite sure about whether the techniques would cover mobile web as much as native development, and this is a bit unclear to me so far. I think we aim to cover both but focus on the mobile web, but for this technique I wouldn't quite know what example to pick – maybe throw to other people
<jeanne> RESOLUTION: Reject this proposed example and delay this Technique until we gain more experience. There are complex technical issues
Detlev: There are toolboxes where you can create things quickly, they might not work properly with the mobile APIs in question – that would be a good thing to check. But someone else is the phrase that are find a good example for that
Jon: even if we were to come up with another example, say for iOS, custom control – the really isn't quite a one to one relationship between the desktop world and the mobile world. Flash is available on some android devices, but it's really going away. The closest thing as a hybrid app, but it would be confusing to use that.
Detlev: the existing examples
here are positive examples, written in line with existing APIs.
If it's a positive example may be some app that's written in
line with Apple accessibility guidelines for mobile apps and
that's it – don't know whether the technique means necessarily
means only components which are embedded in, say web
technologies or whether we can talk about say native...
... constructs whic
h are written according to the accessibility API, but that may be redundant – I'm not sure that that makes sense
Jon: to me it seems like it really is talking about the user agent running it, and I'm not sure we really have a good example that exposes platform level API to a user agent. Maybe something like PDF
Detlev: wwould it be good example to have browsers passing on names, roles, states of active elements
Jon: until we can find an example where works correctly, I don't think we should imply that there might be one – may be just it's not supported on mobile at this time
next step is to find an example?
Jon: mobile task force is
exploring finding techniques – is there such a thing. Might be
good to ask more widely as an exploratory information
gathering
... I can ask around
<jeanne> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/G88
Detlev: could be other examples
where there's a rewriting of a title so you replace short title
with long version, whether it's reordered in the Dom, you could
also change the title if you want to. The example should
probably show a range of options and think about the case where
a website is constrained to a very narrow viewport and the
solutions may be manifold, maybe change title for a...
... dedicated mobile version, maybe a title that suffers
truncated and well, maybe a rewritten title – those are
examples that come to mind
... also with the example if it's a the dedicated mobile site
that should be clear, so it's specific content and specifically
to a narrow viewport, if that's what you mean. So for that just
pick a short title and that's it. If you have responsive web
design you might do something else
... I wonder for a general technique if it's going to far down
into technologies – too specific for a general technique, I'm
worried about that. so maybe the way you put it is good – maybe
everything else is down to more specific HTML or scripting
techniques.
Jeanne: would you put a reference to a more detailed technique
Detlev: yes – could be other
techniques like a scripting technique for detecting a
breakpoint and changing the page title. There may be even other
techniques which fit the bill
... need to research how people do titles and responsive web
design
<jon_avila> * I have to go pick up my children from camp -- so I need to jump off.
Jeanne: how are we going to track these things that need more work later
Detlev: we could pencil them in and have other people comment whether there are existing examples – a rough title draft and put it in there and see whether anyone thinks it's something we need to pick up and work out
<jeanne> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/New_WCAG_2.0_Techniques
<jeanne> The proposed new techniques need short names so they are easier to read.
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