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Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference

27 May 2014

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Attendees

Present
Regrets
Bruce, Jon_Avila, Katie, Wilco
Chair
AWK
Scribe
kathleen

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 27 May 2014

<AWK> Regrets Bruce, Katie, Wilco

<AWK> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List

Brief item on meeting with EOWG regarding LC-2895.

joshue: are we going to have a meeting with eowg? needs to be scheduled.

awk: do people feel we need to have a meeting?

david: this Friday 8:30 am ET

awk: the goal is that this is the last cycle we spend on it
... handle via email?

david: mostly around the term "accessible for all"

<AWK> 2895: https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/WD-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20140107/2895

marc: will there be an email with the callin info?

<MichaelC> EO call details: 3694 ("EOWG")

<AWK> EO call on Friday 8:30 am ET: call in ID 3694

awk: passcode: 3694

<AWK> RESOLUTION: Group meeting on Friday with EO will report back

Brief update on progress regarding the review of EO accessibility tutorials.

<Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/EOTutorials_review

awk: josh put together a wiki page
... any questions?

<AWK> Zakim close item 8

Survey: May 20 2014 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20140520/

<jon_avila> what about action items?

<jon_avila> yes

awk: Using the aside element to associate content related to an article

david: the aside should make sense out of context

awk: what qualifies as sufficiently tangental?

david: for all content that has an aside tag, ensure the following ....

awk: jon, what is the current accessibility support?

jon: lack of supposrt in NVDA could be an NVDA bug

loretta: example confusing, not what I would think aside would be used for
... used for a side discussion of the main article

sailesh: the word tangential is used in the HTML definiton of the term
... layment's term would be sidebar

josh: full disclosure: I wrote this.
... modify the examples

david: the aside would contain repeated content

jon: looking at the spec, I assumed you could have multiple asides apply to different articles

<Joshue> great question

david: need to discuss best practices for the aside element

<Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_HTML5_aside_element

<David> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_the_aside_element_to_associate_content_related_to_an_article

josh: modified example to move the aside outside of the article

awk: remove the reference to the aside from the article itself
... are you allowed to have an aside outside an article?

josh: I will check the spec

<Joshue> It can go into any flow content

jon: the W3C wiki says examples are sidebars, pull quotes advertising and groups of nav elements

<Joshue> http://www.w3.org/TR/html-markup/common-models.html#common.elem.flow

LOL

<Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_HTML5_aside_element

<jon_avila> +1

<Joshue> +1

awk: it sounds like all the concerns people have are around the examples

david: create 3 examples - one for each use referred to in the spec?

daid: I can write the example for the pull quote

<AWK> ACTION: David to write a pull quote example for https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_the_aside_element_to_associate_content_related_to_an_article [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/27-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> 'David' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., dmacdona, dtodd2).

<jamesn> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/sections.html#the-aside-element

<AWK> ACTION: dmacdona to write a pull quote example for https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_the_aside_element_to_associate_content_related_to_an_article [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/27-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-258 - Write a pull quote example for https://www.w3.org/wai/gl/wiki/using_the_aside_element_to_associate_content_related_to_an_article [on David MacDonald - due 2014-06-03].

<jamesn> The aside element represents a section of a page that consists of content that is tangentially related to the content around the aside element, and which could be considered separate from that content. Such sections are often represented as sidebars in printed typography.

<jamesn> The element can be used for typographical effects like pull quotes or sidebars, for advertising, for groups of nav elements, and for other content that is considered separate from the main content of the page.

<Joshue> http://www.w3.org/TR/html-markup/common-models.html#common.elem.flow

<jamesn> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/sections.html#the-aside-element

jon: add the objective back in?

awk: to indicate the tangentially related content using the HTML aside element

sailesh: do the test need to be modified?
... tangentially related content can be marked up in other ways

jon: if you use an aside, it has to be tangentially related to the content

awk: for each instance of this item, make sure you are doing it correctly

<Joshue> +q

<AWK> JO: open issue for me is how to create the programmatic association b/w an aside and its parent

<AWK> DM: don't think it is necessary. A sighted person doesn't know _exact_ context for pull quote

<AWK> JO: That is not how I understand it...

I'm back

<AWK> DM: what does the spec say?

josh: how do you connect the aside to the correct article?

jon: related links - the relationship does matter
... we need a techniques to encourage people to use an aside

RESOLUTION: leave open pending further action on 258 and editing by Jon

New Technique: Grouping related links using the nav element

awk: seems that people like it
... david >> Consider adding example of two or three navs on a page using aria-label primary secondary...
... what do other people think?

josh: what distinguishes the content of each nav?

kathy: we should have labels on the navgroup even if there's only one

awk: should it be part of the procedure?

<Loretta> This does go beyond WCAG

kathy: if there is more than one, we should require it

loretta: there is no requirement in WCAG

sailesh: we should say navigation elements, not just links

<Joshue> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/aria.html#ARIA11

https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Grouping_related_links_using_the_nav_element

<David> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Grouping_related_links_using_the_nav_element#Example_2:_Navigation_links_enclosed_in_a_nav_element.

<AWK> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Grouping_related_links_using_the_nav_element

josh: do we need to describe primary vs secondary navigation?

kathy: primary nav is usually the site nvigation

jon: it is accessibility supported
... more about the structure than about skipping past it

RESOLUTION: leave open

<AWK> We went through comments up to Detlev's on the last item

<Joshue> which was Grouping related links using the nav element

Action items

<AWK> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/

awk: need to talk about action item purging
... we have 258 open items in the action item list
... some go back to 2009
... please close the ones that need to be closed

if you're not sure, send a note to the editors

<David> to ask...What if we have completed it but it has not been addressed

RSSAgent, draft minutes

awk: any questions?

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: David to write a pull quote example for https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_the_aside_element_to_associate_content_related_to_an_article [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/27-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: dmacdona to write a pull quote example for https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_the_aside_element_to_associate_content_related_to_an_article [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/27-wai-wcag-minutes.html#action02]
 
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