hi HadleyBeeman, thanks for being there. Just waiting for the others then I'll ask zakim for the slot

<HadleyBeeman> Ah, okay. I'll wait to dial in then. :)

Dunno wht the conf code will be yet

So you're actually on holiday?

Seaside, sunshine and all that?

<HadleyBeeman> Yep. My first proper holiday in a year.

<HadleyBeeman> (Well, it was going to be. But I had a few days off at Christmas. :) )

Then I feel even worse for interrupting with this

<HadleyBeeman> Also you sent me a tweet yesterday afternoon that I only just got! I'm sorry to have kept you hanging. No notification on my phone for that. :(

<HadleyBeeman> Don't feel bad. This is something I want to do!

:-)

Now of Brazil would join us...

and the man who I believe is in Copenhagen right now...

I'll see him this week in Riga of all places

<HadleyBeeman> How on earth do you keep track? You must have a map in your head with little pins that have chairs' names on them.

I have an actual map on the wall with actual pins in it :-)

<Caroline_> Hello! How are you? Are we making the call?

<HadleyBeeman> There we go then. Clever!

Hi Caroline_

<HadleyBeeman> Hello Caroline_!

Caroline_: do I need one line or two for you and Yaso?

<Caroline_> one line is fine. Yaso is finishing abother meeting and will get here in 10min. Would that be okay?

Of course. Hang on...

There's our number...

<Caroline_> tks

<HadleyBeeman> dialing in

Are you dialling in Caroline_

<Caroline_> in a minute

<Caroline_> I am here

Yaso: Suggesting Bernadette who is a local Uni professor (and member of the WG) to be chair of the vocabularies Task forces
... wants to get agenda sorted

Steve: Isn't it just getting to know you?

Caroline_: Maybe we should also teach people how to use IRC etc.
... most of the people I know on the call won't know how to use IRC
... they need to know how a WG works. maybe Hadley can take us through that?

HadleyBeeman: That would be helpful. I'm happy to do my part for that
... What is the time of our first call?

yaso: 09:00 ET, 12:00 SP, 14:00 UK
... Friday

See this link http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=W3C+Data+on+the+Web+Best+Practices+Inaugural+Teleconference&iso=20140124T14&p1=1346&ah=2

Caroline_: Important thing is to send the mail

<Caroline_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings

yaso: Yes, and we can introduce ourselves by mail - better as it is documented.

PhilA: I booked 2 hours on Zakim

Steve: We need to do a sales job. Why should they give us their time on Friday?

Caroline_: I think having the agenda will help

Steve: This is the first time we're all talking so being social is important. Who is on the phoine, what are they interested in? What problems have they seen, what are they bringing to the table
... an agenda is good but we don't need to be too focussed on content at this point. We should facilitate the conversation.

HadleyBeeman: I agree with that but we're going to end up with 65% of people that we'll never hear from again. I'm reluctant not to have a call with no structure beyond that

Caroline_: +1 to both

Yaso: We can't just spend the time training people

Steve: That's an item on the agenda, yes, and we can show people where to go to see more

<HadleyBeeman> Proposed agenda:

<HadleyBeeman> What the group is

<HadleyBeeman> What we need to accomplish

<HadleyBeeman> What participating means (time etc)

<HadleyBeeman> Who is in it

<HadleyBeeman> How they can participate (tools, IRC, meetings, etc.)

-> http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp-scope/ Mobile Web BP scope doc

yaso: Makes a plea for native speakers to speak slowly...

HadleyBeeman: Noted. Good poinbt - that's also why the mailing list is important
... do please tell me if I'm causing trouble

Steve: That sounds right but maybe we could add what real world probems are we solving, what will participants get out of participating
... we need to accomplish what the charter says. But that's back to front. When this is done - who will benefit, how will people use this and what will it do. Why do we need it now?
... give impressions that we're doing something important
... get that upfront

HadleyBeeman: +1

Caroline_: Yaso just wrote what Hadley and Steve said

<yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings#Meeting_Agendas_and_Minutes

Steve: Do we have any idea of the dependencies between the three deliverable? etc.

Discussion of the time of the regular call

Participants listed at http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=68239&public=1

HadleyBeeman: We still have this question of how we divide the work between the three of us
... The things I think chairs do... we're going to be moniroting and seind e-mails (community management stuff)
... chairing meetings
... guiding teh conversations
... preparing and disseminating the agenda
... there are some W3C bits (transtions etc.)
... of those responsibilities, we can split by thing, or we can alternate by week (who's on call that week), or we can divide by work item
... I'm indifferent as long as we continue to communicate. Perhaps by a weekly call of our own each week

yaso: I propose we take care of this discussion after the first call
... I think we have to see how we work together in the first call

HadleyBeeman: +1

Steve: +1

HadleyBeeman: I want to make sure we make good decisions
... so that leaves us deciding what we need to do this week

Steve: Timing of our first meeting?

<HadleyBeeman> PhilA: First face-to-face as soon as possible (especially for the benefit of the chairs)

<HadleyBeeman> … Second would be useful to hold at TPAC in end of October in Santa Clara, California

<HadleyBeeman> … We must give 8 weeks' notice to our members for a face-to-face

<HadleyBeeman> … So now, the earliest is the week beginning the 24th of March.

<HadleyBeeman> … 26-28 March is the Research Data Alliance meeting in Dublin

Discussion of possible venues. Mozilla, ODI, IBM can potentially help with a venue

Steve: The best venue is the best venue. I don't mind. Our Southbank room is pretty nice, overlooking the Thames.

HadleyBeeman: having a couple of options depending on numbers might be a good thing

Yaso: If we define that the meeting will be in London on Mon/Tue 24-25 March, then we can decide who is going etc. One of us definitely will

HadleyBeeman: SO in terms of order, we should set the date first

yaso: At least one of us will go for sure. It's whetehr we both go
... We also talked about meeting in 2015 in Uraguy
... Their government is a member of the WG - they're keen to have a f2f there maybe next year

PhilA: Starts thinking of going to Montivideo and is happy

<yaso> :-)

<HadleyBeeman> Steve: I have a conflict with the 25th

<HadleyBeeman> All agreed: 31st March and 1 April

<HadleyBeeman> Steve: I'll ask the team in London about using SouthBank as a venue

<HadleyBeeman> yaso: you might find this page layout helpful to copy/adapt http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F3

<yaso> tks Hadley :-)

<HadleyBeeman> no problem :)

<HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20130307

HadleyBeeman: So what happens between now and Friday

yaso: I think you said you were sending out the agenda - thanks
... then we need to decide who is chairing the meeting and how we're going to drum up more support

Steve: No preference

HadleyBeeman: We need to talk about scribing. People need to know that their time will come

yaso: Anything else to decide?

HadleyBeeman: Just the chair for Friday, which I'm happy to do

Caroline_: +1

Steve: +1

<yaso> +1

HadleyBeeman: I think it would be good if we can find some more people to include in the group
... so we start with as many as possible before it shrinks

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