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12:58:05 <PhilA2> PhilA2 has changed the topic to: DWBP Chairs meeting 2014-01-20
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13:01:40 <PhilA> hi HadleyBeeman, thanks for being there. Just waiting for the others then I'll ask zakim for the slot
13:01:55 <HadleyBeeman> Ah, okay.  I'll wait to dial in then. :)
13:02:09 <PhilA> Dunno wht the conf conde will be yet
13:02:15 <PhilA> s/conde/code/
13:02:29 <PhilA> So you're actually on holiday?
13:02:41 <PhilA> Seaside, sunshine and all that?
13:02:56 <HadleyBeeman> Yep.  My first proper holiday in a year.
13:03:11 <HadleyBeeman> (Well, it was going to be.  But I had a few days off at Christmas.  :) )
13:03:20 <PhilA> Then I feel even worse for interrupting with this
13:03:26 <HadleyBeeman> Also you sent me a tweet yesterday afternoon that I only just got!  I'm sorry to have kept you hanging.  No notification on my phone for that. :(
13:03:39 <HadleyBeeman> Don't feel bad.  This is something I want to do!
13:03:45 <PhilA> :-)
13:03:54 <PhilA> Now of Brazil would join us...
13:04:08 <PhilA> and the man who I believe is in Copenhagen right now...
13:04:24 <PhilA> I'll see him this week in Riga of all places
13:04:34 <HadleyBeeman> How on earth do you keep track?  You must have a map in your head with little pins that have chairs' names on them.
13:04:34 <Caroline_> Caroline_ has joined #dwbp
13:04:47 <PhilA> I have an actual map on the wall with actual pins in it :-)
13:04:56 <Caroline_> Hello! How are you? Are we making the call?
13:04:57 <HadleyBeeman> There we go then.  Clever!
13:05:03 <PhilA> Hi Caroline_
13:05:04 <HadleyBeeman> Hello Caroline_!
13:05:17 <PhilA> Caroline_:  do I need one line or two for you and Yaso?
13:05:47 <Caroline_> one line is fine. Yaso is finishing abother meeting and will get here in 10min. Would that be okay?
13:05:55 <PhilA> Of course. Hang on...
13:05:59 <PhilA> zakim, room for 4?
13:06:00 <Zakim> ok, PhilA; conference Team_(dwbp)13:05Z scheduled with code 3927 (DWBP) for 60 minutes until 1405Z
13:06:07 <PhilA> There's our number...
13:06:22 <Caroline_> tks
13:06:23 <HadleyBeeman> dialing in
13:06:35 <Zakim> Team_(dwbp)13:05Z has now started
13:06:42 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:06:43 <PhilA> zakim, ipcaller is me
13:06:43 <Zakim> +PhilA; got it
13:07:06 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
13:08:18 <PhilA> Are you dialling in Caroline_
13:08:34 <Caroline_> in a minute
13:10:28 <Zakim> +Caroline
13:10:31 <Caroline_> I am here
13:13:09 <Zakim> + +1.516.353.aaaa
13:14:12 <PhilA> zakim, aaaa is Steve
13:14:12 <Zakim> +Steve; got it
13:14:31 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, yaso is with caroline_
13:14:31 <Zakim> sorry, HadleyBeeman, I do not recognize a party named 'caroline_'
13:15:12 <PhilA> zakim, Caroline_ has Yaso
13:15:12 <Zakim> sorry, PhilA, I do not recognize a party named 'Caroline_'
13:15:26 <PhilA> zakim, Caroline has Yaso
13:15:26 <Zakim> +Yaso; got it
13:16:38 <PhilA> Yaso: Suggesting Bernadette who is a local Uni professor (and member of the WG) to be chair of the vocabularies Task forces
13:16:55 <PhilA> ... wants to get agenda sorted
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13:17:07 <PhilA> Steve: Isn't it just getting to know you?
13:17:19 <PhilA> Caroline_: Maybe we should also teach people how to use IRC etc.
13:17:31 <PhilA> ... most of the people I know on the call won't know how to use IRC
13:17:47 <PhilA> ... they need to know how a WG works. maybe Hadley can take us through that?
13:18:21 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: That would be helpful. I'm happy to do my part for that
13:18:38 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: What is the time of our first call?
13:18:52 <PhilA> yaso: 09:00 ET, 12:00 SP, 14:00 UK
13:18:58 <PhilA> ... Friday
13:19:29 <PhilA> See this link http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=W3C+Data+on+the+Web+Best+Practices+Inaugural+Teleconference&iso=20140124T14&p1=1346&ah=2
13:19:50 <PhilA> Caroline_: Important thing is to send the mail
13:19:54 <Caroline_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings
13:20:09 <PhilA> yaso: Yes, and we can introduce ourselves by mail - better as it is documented.
13:20:21 <PhilA> q+ to make a suggestion
13:20:58 <PhilA> PhilA: I booked 2 hours on Zakim
13:21:51 <PhilA> Steve: We need to do a sales job. Why should they give us their time on Friday?
13:22:21 <PhilA> Caroline_: I think having the agenda will help
13:22:57 <PhilA> Steve: This is the first time we're all talking so being social is important. Who is on the phoine, what are they interested in? What problems have they seen, what are they bringing to the table
13:23:32 <PhilA> ... an agenda is good but we don't need to be too focussed on content at this point. We should facilitate the conversation.
13:24:06 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: I agree with that but we're going to end up with 65% of people that we'll never hear from again. I'm reluctant not to have a call with no structure beyond that
13:24:25 <PhilA> Caroline_: +1 to both
13:25:14 <PhilA> Yaso: We can't just spend the time training people
13:25:31 <PhilA> Steve: That's an item on the agenda, yes, and we can show people where to go to see more
13:26:47 <HadleyBeeman> Proposed agenda:
13:26:58 <HadleyBeeman> What the group is
13:26:58 <HadleyBeeman> What we need to accomplish
13:26:58 <HadleyBeeman> What participating means (time etc)
13:26:58 <HadleyBeeman> Who is in it
13:26:58 <HadleyBeeman> How they can participate (tools, IRC, meetings, etc.)
13:28:44 <PhilA> q-
13:29:21 <PhilA> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp-scope/ Mobile Web BP scope doc
13:30:18 <PhilA> yaso: Makes a plea for native speakers to speak slowly...
13:30:33 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Noted. Good poinbt - that's also why the mailing list is important
13:30:45 <PhilA> ... do please tell me if I'm causing trouble
13:32:11 <PhilA> Steve: That sounds right but maybe we could add what real world probems are we solving, what will participants get out of participating
13:32:42 <PhilA> ... we need to accomplish what the charter says. But that's back to front. When this is done - who will benefit, how will people use this and what will it do. Why do we need it now?
13:32:54 <PhilA> ... give impressions that we're doing something important
13:33:00 <PhilA> ... get that upfront
13:33:08 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: +1
13:33:35 <PhilA> Caroline_: Yaso just wrote what Hadley and Steve said
13:33:47 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings#Meeting_Agendas_and_Minutes
13:35:24 <PhilA> Steve: Do we have any idea of the dependencies between the three deliverable? etc.
13:37:02 <Zakim> -Steve
13:38:19 <Zakim> +Steve
13:38:40 <PhilA> Discussion of the time of the regular call
13:39:02 <PhilA> Participants listed at http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=68239&public=1
13:42:46 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: We still have this question of how we divide the work between the three of us
13:43:12 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: The things I think chairs do... we're going to be moniroting and seind e-mails (community management stuff)
13:43:15 <PhilA> ... chairing meetings
13:43:24 <PhilA> ... guiding teh conversations
13:43:31 <PhilA> ... preparing and disseminating the agenda
13:43:41 <PhilA> ... there are some W3C bits (transtions etc.)
13:44:17 <PhilA> ... of those responsibilities, we can split by thing, or we can alternate by week (who's on call that week), or we can divide by work item
13:44:50 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: I'm indifferent as long as we continue to communicate. Perhaps by a weekly call of our own each week
13:45:03 <PhilA> yaso: I propose we take care of this discussion after the first call
13:45:13 <PhilA> ... I think we have to see how we work together in the first call
13:45:20 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: +1
13:45:22 <PhilA> Steve: +1
13:45:31 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: I want to make sure we make good decisions
13:45:45 <PhilA> ... so that leaves us deciding what we need to do this week
13:46:02 <PhilA> Steve: Timing of our first meeting?
13:47:27 <HadleyBeeman> PhilA:  First face-to-face as soon as possible (especially for the benefit of the chairs)
13:47:46 <HadleyBeeman> … Second would be useful to hold at TPAC in end of October in Santa Clara, California
13:48:36 <HadleyBeeman> … We must give 8 weeks' notice to our members for a face-to-face
13:48:57 <HadleyBeeman> … So now, the earliest is the week beginning the 24th of March.
13:50:12 <HadleyBeeman> …  26-28 March is the Research Data Alliance meeting in Dublin
13:51:30 <PhilA> Discussion of possible venues. Mozilla, ODI, IBM can potentially help with a venue
13:52:21 <PhilA> Steve: The best venue is the best venue. I don't mind. Our Southbank room is pretty nice, overlooking the Thames.
13:52:34 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: having a couple of options depending on numbers might be a good thing
13:57:50 <PhilA> zakim, mute Steve
13:57:50 <Zakim> Steve should now be muted
13:58:04 <PhilA> zakim, unmute Steve
13:58:04 <Zakim> Steve should no longer be muted
13:58:46 <PhilA> Yaso: If we define that the meeting will be in London on Mon/Tue 24-25 March, then we can decide who is going etc. One of us definitely will
13:59:07 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: SO in terms of order, we should set the date first
13:59:22 <PhilA> yaso: At least one of us will go for sure. It's whetehr we both go
13:59:40 <PhilA> ... We also talked about meeting in 2015 in Uraguy
13:59:59 <PhilA> ... Their government is a member of the WG - they're keen to have a f2f there maybe next year
14:00:25 <PhilA> PhilA: Starts thinking of going to Montivideo and is happy
14:00:40 <yaso> :-)
14:03:09 <HadleyBeeman> Steve: I have a conflict with the 25th
14:03:40 <HadleyBeeman> All agreed:  31st March and 1 April
14:03:55 <HadleyBeeman> Steve:  I'll ask the team in London about using SouthBank as a venue
14:05:12 <HadleyBeeman> yaso:  you might find this page layout helpful to copy/adapt http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F3
14:05:26 <yaso> tks Hadley :-)
14:05:33 <HadleyBeeman> no problem :)
14:07:17 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20130307
14:09:26 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: So what happens between now and Friday
14:09:47 <PhilA> yaso: I think you said you were sending out the agenda - thanks
14:10:05 <PhilA> ... then we need to decide who is chairing the meeting and how we're going to drum up more support
14:10:11 <PhilA> Steve: No preference
14:10:58 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: We need to talk about scribing. People need to know that their time will come
14:13:57 <PhilA> yaso: Anything else to decide?
14:14:06 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Just the chair for Friday, which I'm happy to do
14:14:09 <PhilA> Caroline_:  +1
14:14:12 <PhilA> Steve: +1
14:14:15 <yaso> +1
14:14:28 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: I think it would be good if we can find some more people to include in the group
14:14:40 <PhilA> ... so we start with as many as possible before it shrinks
14:14:51 <PhilA> rrsagent, make logs public
14:15:29 <Zakim> -Steve
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14:17:48 <PhilA> RRSAgent: draft minutes
14:17:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/20-dwbp-minutes.html PhilA
14:17:51 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
14:24:01 <Zakim> -Caroline
14:24:02 <Zakim> -PhilA
14:24:02 <Zakim> Team_(dwbp)13:05Z has ended
14:24:02 <Zakim> Attendees were PhilA, HadleyBeeman, +1.516.353.aaaa, Steve, Yaso
14:24:08 <PhilA> RRSAgent: draft minutes
14:24:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/20-dwbp-minutes.html PhilA
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14:53:26 <PhilA> zakim, bye
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14:53:31 <PhilA> rrsagent, bye
14:53:31 <RRSAgent> I see no action items