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14:56:33 <Guus> trackbot, start meeting
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14:56:33 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394
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14:56:33 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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14:56:34 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:56:34 <trackbot> Date: 30 October 2013
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14:56:38 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394
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14:56:38 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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14:56:39 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:56:39 <trackbot> Date: 30 October 2013
14:56:49 <Guus> chair: Guus
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14:58:03 <Zakim> +Guus_Schreiber
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14:58:13 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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14:58:13 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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14:58:14 <Zakim> +Ivan
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14:58:19 <Zakim> +pfps
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14:59:21 <Zakim> +??P5
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14:59:25 <gkellogg> zakim, I am ??P5
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14:59:25 <Zakim> +gkellogg; got it
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15:00:17 <Zakim> +PatH
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15:00:32 <Zakim> +Arnaud
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15:01:14 <Zakim> +??P8
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15:01:22 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P8 is me
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15:01:22 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it
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15:01:35 <Zakim> +Sandro
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15:01:37 <Zakim> +GavinC
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15:02:21 <Guus> Zakim, pick a scribe
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15:02:36 <Zakim> +EricP
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15:02:43 <Guus> zakim, pick a scribe
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15:02:43 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose yvesr
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15:03:12 <Zakim> +David_Wood
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15:03:19 <yvesr> scribe: yvesr
(Scribe set to Yves Raimond)
15:03:26 <ivan> zakim, mute me
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15:03:26 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
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15:03:55 <Zakim> +??P15
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15:03:57 <markus> zakim, ??P15 is me
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15:03:57 <Zakim> +markus; got it
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15:04:05 <PatH> Congrats to Peter
Patrick Hayes: Congrats to Peter ←
15:04:09 <yvesr> congrats :)
congrats :) ←
15:04:35 <yvesr> Guus: pfps got an award at ISWC last week in Sydney
Guus Schreiber: pfps got an award at ISWC last week in Sydney ←
15:04:35 <pfps> minutes look good
Peter Patel-Schneider: minutes look good ←
15:04:43 <yvesr> RESOLVED: accept minutes from last week
RESOLVED: accept minutes from last week ←
15:05:01 <yvesr> topic: Reviewing action items
15:05:15 <gavinc> Claiming victory with ericP on ACTION-293
Gavin Carothers: Claiming victory with ericP on ACTION-293 ←
15:05:25 <gavinc> ACTION-293?
Gavin Carothers: ACTION-293? ←
15:05:25 <trackbot> ACTION-293 -- Gavin Carothers to Update turtle ed to match published turtle cr document -- due 2013-09-18 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-293 -- Gavin Carothers to Update turtle ed to match published turtle cr document -- due 2013-09-18 -- OPEN ←
15:05:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/293
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/293 ←
15:06:06 <pfps> gavin: can you put something somewhere showing success for action-293
Gavin Carothers: can you put something somewhere showing success for ACTION-293 [ Scribe Assist by Peter Patel-Schneider ] ←
15:06:08 <yvesr> Guus: there's a telecon next week, back to normal time schedule
Guus Schreiber: there's a telecon next week, back to normal time schedule ←
15:06:31 <yvesr> Guus: before the 7th of January, we have 7 teleconferences left
Guus Schreiber: before the 7th of January, we have 7 teleconferences left ←
15:06:53 <PatH> :-/
Patrick Hayes: :-/ ←
15:06:58 <yvesr> Guus: tomorrow morning we have the transition call for JSON-LD
Guus Schreiber: tomorrow morning we have the transition call for JSON-LD ←
15:07:24 <yvesr> Guus: I just want to check the status of the documents
Guus Schreiber: I just want to check the status of the documents ←
15:07:45 <yvesr> markus: I didn't create the static version yet, but I can do that after the meeting
Markus Lanthaler: I didn't create the static version yet, but I can do that after the meeting ←
15:07:59 <yvesr> sandro: let's wait until after the meeting in case they are changes coming from that meeting
Sandro Hawke: let's wait until after the meeting in case they are changes coming from that meeting ←
15:08:05 <davidwood> q+
David Wood: q+ ←
15:08:09 <yvesr> Guus: the same holds for pfps and PatH, for concepts
Guus Schreiber: the same holds for pfps and PatH, for concepts ←
15:08:37 <yvesr> Guus: if we can do that tomororw, then we can send them on Friday to the webmaster
Guus Schreiber: if we can do that tomororw, then we can send them on Friday to the webmaster ←
15:08:43 <pfps> what are the official steps to get a static version??
Peter Patel-Schneider: what are the official steps to get a static version?? ←
15:08:52 <PatH> pfps and PatH are doing Semantics
Patrick Hayes: pfps and PatH are doing Semantics ←
15:09:16 <yvesr> Guus: We can stop talking about ISSUE-155
Guus Schreiber: We can stop talking about ISSUE-155 ←
15:09:33 <davidwood> q-
David Wood: q- ←
15:10:07 <pfps> OK by me
Peter Patel-Schneider: OK by me ←
15:10:37 <PatH> OK
Patrick Hayes: OK ←
15:10:50 <yvesr> Guus: let's move on
Guus Schreiber: let's move on ←
15:10:59 <yvesr> topic: Test-suites
15:11:10 <yvesr> Guus: where are we wrt test suites and implementations
Guus Schreiber: where are we wrt test suites and implementations ←
15:11:26 <Zakim> +??P12
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15:11:29 <yvesr> pfps: The semantics test suite have been updated
Peter Patel-Schneider: The semantics test suite have been updated ←
15:11:33 <Zakim> -David_Wood
Zakim IRC Bot: -David_Wood ←
15:11:46 <yvesr> pfps: We need a volunteer for checking RDF entailment tests
Peter Patel-Schneider: We need a volunteer for checking RDF entailment tests ←
15:11:48 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
15:11:49 <Souri> zakim,??P12 is me
Souripriya Das: zakim,??P12 is me ←
15:11:49 <Zakim> +Souri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri; got it ←
15:12:01 <Guus> ack sandro
Guus Schreiber: ack sandro ←
15:12:05 <Zakim> +David_Wood
Zakim IRC Bot: +David_Wood ←
15:12:07 <yvesr> sandro: I don't think I volunteered to do that
Sandro Hawke: I don't think I volunteered to do that ←
15:12:18 <yvesr> pfps: It was on the list of things to be done
Peter Patel-Schneider: It was on the list of things to be done ←
15:12:41 <Zakim> + +33.0.81.16.5aaaa
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15:12:42 <yvesr> sandro: Michael Schneider mentioned he had a bunch of tests from years ago, which would be good RDF semantics tests
Sandro Hawke: Michael Schneider mentioned he had a bunch of tests from years ago, which would be good RDF semantics tests ←
15:12:49 <AZ> Zakim, aaaa is me
Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, aaaa is me ←
15:12:49 <Zakim> +AZ; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ; got it ←
15:13:01 <yvesr> sandro: he had a reasoner which could be considered as an implementation
Sandro Hawke: he had a reasoner which could be considered as an implementation ←
15:13:09 <yvesr> pfps: I'll take an action to contact him
Peter Patel-Schneider: I'll take an action to contact him ←
15:13:21 <yvesr> ACTION: pfps to contact Michael about RDF semantics tests
ACTION: pfps to contact Michael about RDF semantics tests ←
15:13:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-315 - Contact michael about rdf semantics tests [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2013-11-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-315 - Contact michael about rdf semantics tests [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2013-11-06]. ←
15:13:40 <yvesr> Guus: what potential implementation for semantics do we have?
Guus Schreiber: what potential implementation for semantics do we have? ←
15:13:47 <yvesr> pfps: really we want ones that already exist
Peter Patel-Schneider: really we want ones that already exist ←
15:13:53 <yvesr> ... there must be a document on that somewhere
... there must be a document on that somewhere ←
15:14:01 <yvesr> sandro: you mean real world examples?
Sandro Hawke: you mean real world examples? ←
15:14:16 <yvesr> pfps: give sparql 1.1 has an entailement regime, they must have entailment checkers as well
Peter Patel-Schneider: given sparql 1.1 has an entailement regime, they must have entailment checkers as well ←
15:14:22 <yvesr> s/give/given
15:14:44 <yvesr> pfps: There must be an implementation report for SPARQL 1.1
Peter Patel-Schneider: There must be an implementation report for SPARQL 1.1 ←
15:14:51 <yvesr> ... I think that's the way to go
... I think that's the way to go ←
15:14:53 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/#sparql11-entailment
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/#sparql11-entailment ←
15:14:59 <yvesr> sandro: Here is the implementation report
Sandro Hawke: Here is the implementation report ←
15:15:25 <yvesr> sandro: Lots of green, lots of red
Sandro Hawke: Lots of green, lots of red ←
15:15:34 <yvesr> sandro: I don't know which entailment regime those are
Sandro Hawke: I don't know which entailment regime those are ←
15:16:56 <yvesr> pfps: I'll check what the situation is wrt implementation
Peter Patel-Schneider: I'll check what the situation is wrt implementation ←
15:17:39 <yvesr> PatH: there is something in there, which checks that if you query a dataset you do match things in the default graph
Patrick Hayes: there is something in there, which checks that if you query a dataset you do match things in the default graph ←
15:17:47 <yvesr> ... which might be useful to have
... which might be useful to have ←
15:17:58 <yvesr> Guus: The timeline for this is November
Guus Schreiber: The timeline for this is November ←
15:18:19 <yvesr> pfps: The amount of effort to run these tests should be minimal
Peter Patel-Schneider: The amount of effort to run these tests should be minimal ←
15:18:56 <yvesr> Guus: question for gavinc wrt TriG test suites
Guus Schreiber: question for gavinc wrt TriG test suites ←
15:19:02 <yvesr> gavinc: The suites are in good shape
Gavin Carothers: The suites are in good shape ←
15:19:33 <yvesr> ... We have 3/4 implementations already
... We have 3/4 implementations already ←
15:19:57 <yvesr> gkellogg: I started one for n-triples
Gregg Kellogg: I started one for n-triples ←
15:20:08 <yvesr> gkellogg: I could do the same for n-quads and TriG
Gregg Kellogg: I could do the same for n-quads and TriG ←
15:20:16 <yvesr> Guus: That's fine
Guus Schreiber: That's fine ←
15:20:33 <yvesr> Guus: Most of the test suite work we'll need to do will be on semantics
Guus Schreiber: Most of the test suite work we'll need to do will be on semantics ←
15:20:38 <yvesr> topic: Turtle
15:20:56 <yvesr> Guus: the implementation report seems to be in good shape
Guus Schreiber: the implementation report seems to be in good shape ←
15:21:01 <yvesr> ... the main issue is about comments
... the main issue is about comments ←
15:21:18 <yvesr> Guus: How are we on the issues?
Guus Schreiber: How are we on the issues? ←
15:21:43 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#Issues Turtle CR comments
Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#Issues Turtle CR comments ←
15:21:47 <yvesr> ericP: Going down the list
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Going down the list ←
15:22:37 <yvesr> ... proposed means that there is a proposed response that hasn't been sent out yet
... proposed means that there is a proposed response that hasn't been sent out yet ←
15:22:44 <yvesr> ... I want WG approval before sending them out
... I want WG approval before sending them out ←
15:23:32 <ericP> PROPOSED: addres TCR1 and 2 with http://www.w3.org/mid/20131002122510.GC1493@w3.org
PROPOSED: addres TCR1 and 2 with http://www.w3.org/mid/20131002122510.GC1493@w3.org ←
15:23:49 <pfps> +1
15:23:56 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
15:24:00 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
15:24:00 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
15:24:02 <yvesr> +1
+1 ←
15:24:02 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
15:24:04 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
15:24:19 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
15:24:19 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
15:24:25 <ericP> RESOLVED: addres TCR1 and 2 with http://www.w3.org/mid/20131002122510.GC1493@w3.org
RESOLVED: addres TCR1 and 2 with http://www.w3.org/mid/20131002122510.GC1493@w3.org ←
15:24:26 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
15:24:28 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:24:35 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPCaller is me ←
15:24:35 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:24:49 <pfps> +1
15:24:52 <ericP> PROPOSED: addres TCR3 with http://www.w3.org/mid/20131002124541.GD1493@w3.org
PROPOSED: addres TCR3 with http://www.w3.org/mid/20131002124541.GD1493@w3.org ←
15:24:54 <pfps> +1
15:24:57 <Souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
15:25:30 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
15:25:39 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
15:25:40 <gavinc> P_NAME ;)
Gavin Carothers: P_NAME ;) ←
15:25:47 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
15:25:48 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
15:25:49 <yvesr> +1
+1 ←
15:25:49 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
15:25:50 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
15:25:55 <ericP> RESOLVED: addres TCR3 with http://www.w3.org/mid/20131002124541.GD1493@w3.org
RESOLVED: addres TCR3 with http://www.w3.org/mid/20131002124541.GD1493@w3.org ←
15:26:02 <PatH> +1 sorry
Patrick Hayes: +1 sorry ←
15:26:49 <yvesr> ericP: 7 needs a bit of discussion - what should the constructor in the parsing rule say about parsing strings?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: 7 needs a bit of discussion - what should the constructor in the parsing rule say about parsing strings? ←
15:27:00 <yvesr> ... typing it with xsd:string or leaving it plain
... typing it with xsd:string or leaving it plain ←
15:27:09 <yvesr> PatH: There's no such thing as a plain literal?
Patrick Hayes: There's no such thing as a plain literal? ←
15:27:15 <davidwood> Right - it should make an xsd:string
David Wood: Right - it should make an xsd:string ←
15:27:21 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
15:27:22 <yvesr> ericP: OK, so we can construct it as an xsd:string
Eric Prud'hommeaux: OK, so we can construct it as an xsd:string ←
15:27:41 <yvesr> gavinc: The first draft of Turtle was out before we made that decision - this is left over
Gavin Carothers: The first draft of Turtle was out before we made that decision - this is left over ←
15:28:23 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to see that parsing rules in Turtle map plain literal syntax to literal constructor of type xsd:string
ACTION: ericP to see that parsing rules in Turtle map plain literal syntax to literal constructor of type xsd:string ←
15:28:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-316 - See that parsing rules in turtle map plain literal syntax to literal constructor of type xsd:string [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-11-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-316 - See that parsing rules in turtle map plain literal syntax to literal constructor of type xsd:string [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-11-06]. ←
15:28:27 <yvesr> ericP: It is possible the document is already correct - the comment might have been on an earlier version
Eric Prud'hommeaux: It is possible the document is already correct - the comment might have been on an earlier version ←
15:28:27 <gavinc> The literal has a lexical form of the first rule argument, String, and either a language tag of LANGTAG or a datatype IRI of iri, depending on which rule matched the input. if neither a language tag nor a datatype IRI is provided, the literal has a datatype of xsd:string.
Gavin Carothers: The literal has a lexical form of the first rule argument, String, and either a language tag of LANGTAG or a datatype IRI of iri, depending on which rule matched the input. if neither a language tag nor a datatype IRI is provided, the literal has a datatype of xsd:string. ←
15:28:44 <AndyS> And NT, NQ, TriG? RDF/XML?
Andy Seaborne: And NT, NQ, TriG? RDF/XML? ←
15:29:13 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to respond to TCR8
ACTION: ericP to respond to TCR8 ←
15:29:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-317 - Respond to tcr8 [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-11-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-317 - Respond to tcr8 [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-11-06]. ←
15:29:36 <AndyS> (not clear that in the parsing rules is the best place - rather in the formation of the abstract data model - then catches every syntax)
Andy Seaborne: (not clear that in the parsing rules is the best place - rather in the formation of the abstract data model - then catches every syntax) ←
15:29:46 <yvesr> ericP: 9 needs to be fixed in respec
Eric Prud'hommeaux: 9 needs to be fixed in respec ←
15:30:33 <yvesr> ericP: 10, we need to refer to the current RDF-CONCEPTS - respec should take care of that
Eric Prud'hommeaux: 10, we need to refer to the current RDF-CONCEPTS - respec should take care of that ←
15:30:40 <yvesr> gavinc: I'll do that
Gavin Carothers: I'll do that ←
15:30:54 <yvesr> ericP: 12 was an objection to SPARQL PREFIX and BASE
Eric Prud'hommeaux: 12 was an objection to SPARQL PREFIX and BASE ←
15:31:14 <yvesr> ericP: 13 was a comment was on a few things, including normalising bnodes for diff
Eric Prud'hommeaux: 13 was a comment was on a few things, including normalising bnodes for diff ←
15:31:32 <yvesr> ericP: Should we have a quick resolution to not come up with a normalised form?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Should we have a quick resolution to not come up with a normalised form? ←
15:32:15 <yvesr> gavinc: It means that we can just compare strings to check the tests
Gavin Carothers: It means that we can just compare strings to check the tests ←
15:32:20 <PatH> +NO
Patrick Hayes: +NO ←
15:32:24 <ericP> PROPOSED: WG will not create a normalized NTriples bnode form for RDF test reference graphs
PROPOSED: WG will not create a normalized NTriples bnode form for RDF test reference graphs ←
15:32:30 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
15:32:33 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
15:32:34 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
15:32:35 <pfps> +1
15:32:36 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
15:32:37 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
15:32:37 <yvesr> +1
+1 ←
15:32:38 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
15:32:39 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
15:32:43 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
15:32:43 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:32:43 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
15:32:51 <ericP> RESOLVED: WG will not create a normalized NTriples bnode form for RDF test reference graphs
RESOLVED: WG will not create a normalized NTriples bnode form for RDF test reference graphs ←
15:33:06 <gavinc> same thing ;)
Gavin Carothers: same thing ;) ←
15:33:41 <yvesr> ericP: the next three are resolved
Eric Prud'hommeaux: the next three are resolved ←
15:34:00 <yvesr> ericP: 19 and 20 are about missing links to things
Eric Prud'hommeaux: 19 and 20 are about missing links to things ←
15:34:08 <yvesr> ... we'll need to deal with them before next transition
... we'll need to deal with them before next transition ←
15:34:44 <yvesr> ericP: 23 is about IRI production
Eric Prud'hommeaux: 23 is about IRI production ←
15:34:55 <yvesr> ... we didn't copy the whole production from RFC3987
... we didn't copy the whole production from RFC3987 ←
15:35:00 <yvesr> gavinc: It was intentional
Gavin Carothers: It was intentional ←
15:35:31 <ericP> PROPOSED: WG will not copy the RFC3987 production for IRIs into Turtle
PROPOSED: WG will not copy the RFC3987 production for IRIs into Turtle ←
15:35:37 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
15:35:37 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
15:35:37 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
15:35:40 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
15:35:41 <pfps> +1
15:35:44 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
15:35:44 <Souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
15:35:45 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
15:35:46 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:35:48 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
15:35:50 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
15:35:51 <yvesr> +1
+1 ←
15:35:57 <ericP> RESOLVED: WG will not copy the RFC3987 production for IRIs into Turtle
RESOLVED: WG will not copy the RFC3987 production for IRIs into Turtle ←
15:37:22 <gavinc> turtle-bnf.html
Gavin Carothers: turtle-bnf.html ←
15:38:03 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to edit turtle-bnf.html to add quoted characters and respond with an affirmative on TCR34
ACTION: ericP to edit turtle-bnf.html to add quoted characters and respond with an affirmative on TCR34 ←
15:38:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-318 - Edit turtle-bnf.html to add quoted characters and respond with an affirmative on tcr34 [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-11-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-318 - Edit turtle-bnf.html to add quoted characters and respond with an affirmative on tcr34 [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-11-06]. ←
15:38:51 <yvesr> ericP: One of the example wasn't valid Turtle - edited and committed a fix for that
Eric Prud'hommeaux: One of the example wasn't valid Turtle - edited and committed a fix for that ←
15:40:27 <gavinc> +1 to not doing versions
Gavin Carothers: +1 to not doing versions ←
15:40:34 <yvesr> ericP: about 38, I think I might be able to convince the commenter it's OK
Eric Prud'hommeaux: about 38, I think I might be able to convince the commenter it's OK ←
15:41:02 <yvesr> ericP: about 38, adding a media type would mean another CR
Eric Prud'hommeaux: about 39, adding a media type would mean another CR ←
15:41:35 <yvesr> sandro: i understood his comment as not being a change to the standard
Sandro Hawke: i understood his comment as not being a change to the standard ←
15:41:53 <yvesr> s/38/39
15:42:15 <yvesr> sandro: How do I mediate between old Turtle and new Turtle?
Sandro Hawke: How do I mediate between old Turtle and new Turtle? ←
15:42:28 <yvesr> gavinc: there are quite a few grammars around that aren't compatible with each other
Gavin Carothers: there are quite a few grammars around that aren't compatible with each other ←
15:42:38 <yvesr> gavinc: so there's no such thing as 'old turtle'
Gavin Carothers: so there's no such thing as 'old turtle' ←
15:43:18 <yvesr> s/39/33
15:43:47 <yvesr> ericP: In our communication with the outside world, we need a way to name this new standard
Eric Prud'hommeaux: In our communication with the outside world, we need a way to name this new standard ←
15:43:52 <yvesr> Guus: Makes sense to call it 1.1
Guus Schreiber: Makes sense to call it 1.1 ←
15:44:38 <yvesr> gavinc: Dave Beckett's Turtle isn't the same as the W3C submission
Gavin Carothers: Dave Beckett's Turtle isn't the same as the W3C submission ←
15:45:15 <yvesr> sandro: 1.0 is a combination of all the specs and all mainstream parsers that are out there
Sandro Hawke: 1.0 is a combination of all the specs and all mainstream parsers that are out there ←
15:45:29 <yvesr> ericP: we can do an adequate job by saying that 1.1 is what we specify
Eric Prud'hommeaux: we can do an adequate job by saying that 1.1 is what we specify ←
15:46:44 <ericP> PROPOSED: the string identifier for the version of Turtle published by the RDF WG is "Turtle 1.1"
PROPOSED: the string identifier for the version of Turtle published by the RDF WG is "Turtle 1.1" ←
15:46:49 <yvesr> +1
+1 ←
15:46:53 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
15:46:56 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
15:46:57 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
15:46:58 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
15:47:02 <ivan> 0
Ivan Herman: 0 ←
15:47:03 <pfps> +1.1
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1.1 ←
15:47:07 <Souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
15:47:09 <gavinc> -0
Gavin Carothers: -0 ←
15:47:10 <sandro> Formally speaking we might call them "RDF 1.1 <foo>" like "RDF 1.1 TriG" which might be informallr abreviated to "TriG 1.1"
Sandro Hawke: Formally speaking we might call them "RDF 1.1 <foo>" like "RDF 1.1 TriG" which might be informallr abreviated to "TriG 1.1" ←
15:47:11 <markus> +0
Markus Lanthaler: +0 ←
15:47:12 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
15:47:18 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
15:47:24 <sandro> +0.75
Sandro Hawke: +0.75 ←
15:47:42 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
15:47:55 <davidwood> However, I do like sandro's suggestion.
David Wood: However, I do like sandro's suggestion. ←
15:47:58 <yvesr> sandro: technically it's 'rdf 1.1 turtle'
Sandro Hawke: technically it's 'rdf 1.1 turtle' ←
15:47:59 <gavinc> +1 to RDF 1.1 Turtle
Gavin Carothers: +1 to RDF 1.1 Turtle ←
15:48:04 <markus> always finds it strange if something doesn't start with 1.0... people will wonder where to find 1.0
Markus Lanthaler: always finds it strange if something doesn't start with 1.0... people will wonder where to find 1.0 ←
15:48:09 <AndyS> alt -- "Turtle (RDF 1.1)"
Andy Seaborne: alt -- "Turtle (RDF 1.1)" ←
15:48:11 <yvesr> ... as it is rdf 1.1 trig, turtle, etc.
... as it is rdf 1.1 trig, turtle, etc. ←
15:48:28 <PatH> Tur1.1tle
Patrick Hayes: Tur1.1tle ←
15:48:36 <yvesr> gavinc: the biggest change to turtle is not the grammar, it is that everything is an xsd:string
Gavin Carothers: the biggest change to turtle is not the grammar, it is that everything is an xsd:string ←
15:48:43 <PatH> But seriously, +1 to sandro
Patrick Hayes: But seriously, +1 to sandro ←
15:48:46 <markus> +1 to using RDF 1.1 in the title instead of Turtle 1.1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 to using RDF 1.1 in the title instead of Turtle 1.1 ←
15:48:52 <ivan> +1 to Sandro
Ivan Herman: +1 to Sandro ←
15:49:00 <gkellogg> +1 to RDF 1.1 Turtle/Trig/N-Triples/N-Quads
Gregg Kellogg: +1 to RDF 1.1 Turtle/Trig/N-Triples/N-Quads ←
15:49:07 <Souri> +1 to RDF 1.1 *
Souripriya Das: +1 to RDF 1.1 * ←
15:49:14 <yvesr> Guus: it's a bit long, but very descriptive and very clear
Guus Schreiber: it's a bit long, but very descriptive and very clear ←
15:49:30 <ivan> do we change the document's short name?
Ivan Herman: do we change the document's short name? ←
15:49:32 <Arnaud> are we going to do the same for every format?
Arnaud Le Hors: are we going to do the same for every format? ←
15:49:36 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:50:27 <sandro> PROPOSED: We'll use names like "RDF 1.1 Turtle" for Turtle, TriG, N-Triples, N-Quads. Okay to informally call it "Turtle 1.1" but formally it's "RDF 1.1 Turtle".
PROPOSED: We'll use names like "RDF 1.1 Turtle" for Turtle, TriG, N-Triples, N-Quads. Okay to informally call it "Turtle 1.1" but formally it's "RDF 1.1 Turtle". ←
15:50:33 <Arnaud> unless we do that consistently I don't think that's a good idea
Arnaud Le Hors: unless we do that consistently I don't think that's a good idea ←
15:50:34 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
15:50:35 <yvesr> Guus: we have about 4 minutes left - we can do this proposal and then close this call
Guus Schreiber: we have about 4 minutes left - we can do this proposal and then close this call ←
15:50:38 <yvesr> +1
+1 ←
15:50:38 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
15:50:42 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
15:50:43 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
15:50:43 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
15:50:45 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
15:50:55 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
15:51:00 <Arnaud> -0
Arnaud Le Hors: -0 ←
15:51:01 <Souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
15:51:19 <yvesr> Guus: I suggest we adapt all the titles of the documents now
Guus Schreiber: I suggest we adapt all the titles of the documents now ←
15:51:27 <gavinc> Arnaud, I'll do it for everything I'm editing... so yeah, that's all the new syntaxes ;)
Gavin Carothers: Arnaud, I'll do it for everything I'm editing... so yeah, that's all the new syntaxes ;) ←
15:51:40 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:51:44 <yvesr> sandro: the bibliography needs to be changed as well
Sandro Hawke: the bibliography needs to be changed as well ←
15:51:51 <ivan> zakim, unmute ivan
Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute ivan ←
15:51:51 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted ←
15:51:52 <yvesr> gavinc: I'll update the titles and bibliography
Gavin Carothers: I'll update the titles and bibliography ←
15:52:02 <yvesr> ACTION: gavinc to update documents and bibliography
ACTION: gavinc to update documents and bibliography ←
15:52:02 <trackbot> Error finding 'gavinc'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'gavinc'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>. ←
15:52:10 <yvesr> ACTION: gavin to update documents and bibliography
ACTION: gavin to update documents and bibliography ←
15:52:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-319 - Update documents and bibliography [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-11-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-319 - Update documents and bibliography [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-11-06]. ←
15:52:12 <sandro> RESOLVED: We'll use names like "RDF 1.1 Turtle" for Turtle, TriG, N-Triples, N-Quads. Okay to informally call it "Turtle 1.1" but formally it's "RDF 1.1 Turtle".
RESOLVED: We'll use names like "RDF 1.1 Turtle" for Turtle, TriG, N-Triples, N-Quads. Okay to informally call it "Turtle 1.1" but formally it's "RDF 1.1 Turtle". ←
15:52:17 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to respond to TCR33 with the string identifier for the version of Turtle published by the RDF WG is "RDF 1.1 Turtle"
ACTION: ericP to respond to TCR33 with the string identifier for the version of Turtle published by the RDF WG is "RDF 1.1 Turtle" ←
15:52:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-320 - Respond to tcr33 with the string identifier for the version of turtle published by the rdf wg is "rdf 1.1 turtle" [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-11-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-320 - Respond to tcr33 with the string identifier for the version of turtle published by the rdf wg is "rdf 1.1 turtle" [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-11-06]. ←
15:53:15 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
15:53:30 <yvesr> Guus: we didn't get to Antoine's dataset
Guus Schreiber: we didn't get to Antoine's dataset ←
15:53:48 <yvesr> Guus: let's talk about it next week
Guus Schreiber: let's talk about it next week ←
15:54:02 <yvesr> Guus: I hope we can get a complete draft of the primer in the next couple of weeks
Guus Schreiber: I hope we can get a complete draft of the primer in the next couple of weeks ←
15:54:07 <yvesr> Guus: let's adjourn
Guus Schreiber: let's adjourn ←
15:54:24 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
15:54:25 <AZ> buy
Antoine Zimmermann: buy ←
15:54:26 <Zakim> -David_Wood
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15:54:26 <Zakim> -gkellogg
Zakim IRC Bot: -gkellogg ←
15:54:26 <yvesr> Guus: hopefully the transition meeting will go well!
Guus Schreiber: hopefully the transition meeting will go well! ←
15:54:33 <Zakim> -yvesr
Zakim IRC Bot: -yvesr ←
15:54:35 <Zakim> -AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ ←
15:54:36 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
15:54:49 <Zakim> -Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri ←
15:54:52 <Zakim> -Guus_Schreiber
Zakim IRC Bot: -Guus_Schreiber ←
15:55:06 <Zakim> -markus
Zakim IRC Bot: -markus ←
15:55:10 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:55:12 <Zakim> -EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP ←
15:55:14 <pfps> one call to transition them, and in the darkness publish them?
Peter Patel-Schneider: one call to transition them, and in the darkness publish them? ←
15:55:15 <gavinc> PatH: Zakim Bridge +1.617.761.6200, conference 7332 ("RDFC")
Patrick Hayes: Zakim Bridge +1.617.761.6200, conference 7332 ("RDFC") [ Scribe Assist by Gavin Carothers ] ←
15:55:23 <Zakim> -PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: -PatH ←
15:55:28 <Zakim> -GavinC
Zakim IRC Bot: -GavinC ←
15:55:40 <yvesr> trackbot, end meeting
trackbot, end meeting ←
15:55:40 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
15:55:40 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Guus_Schreiber, Ivan, pfps, gkellogg, PatH, Arnaud, yvesr, Sandro, GavinC, EricP, David_Wood, markus, Souri, +33.0.81.16.5aaaa, AZ, AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Guus_Schreiber, Ivan, pfps, gkellogg, PatH, Arnaud, yvesr, Sandro, GavinC, EricP, David_Wood, markus, Souri, +33.0.81.16.5aaaa, AZ, AndyS ←
15:55:48 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
15:55:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot
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15:55:49 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
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15:55:49 <RRSAgent> I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-actions.rdf : ←
15:55:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: pfps to contact Michael about RDF semantics tests [1]
ACTION: pfps to contact Michael about RDF semantics tests [1] ←
15:55:49 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-13-21
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-13-21 ←
15:55:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to see that parsing rules in Turtle map plain literal syntax to literal constructor of type xsd:string [2]
ACTION: ericP to see that parsing rules in Turtle map plain literal syntax to literal constructor of type xsd:string [2] ←
15:55:49 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-28-23
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-28-23 ←
15:55:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to respond to TCR8 [3]
ACTION: ericP to respond to TCR8 [3] ←
15:55:49 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-29-13
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-29-13 ←
15:55:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to edit turtle-bnf.html to add quoted characters and respond with an affirmative on TCR34 [4]
ACTION: ericP to edit turtle-bnf.html to add quoted characters and respond with an affirmative on TCR34 [4] ←
15:55:49 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-38-03
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-38-03 ←
15:55:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gavinc to update documents and bibliography [5]
ACTION: gavinc to update documents and bibliography [5] ←
15:55:49 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-52-02
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-52-02 ←
15:55:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gavin to update documents and bibliography [6]
ACTION: gavin to update documents and bibliography [6] ←
15:55:49 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-52-10
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-52-10 ←
15:55:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to respond to TCR33 with the string identifier for the version of Turtle published by the RDF WG is "RDF 1.1 Turtle" [7]
ACTION: ericP to respond to TCR33 with the string identifier for the version of Turtle published by the RDF WG is "RDF 1.1 Turtle" [7] ←
15:55:49 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-52-17
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-52-17 ←
15:56:05 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
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