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RDF Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 30 October 2013

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Andy Seaborne, Antoine Zimmermann, Arnaud Le Hors, David Wood, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Gavin Carothers, Gregg Kellogg, Guus Schreiber, Ivan Herman, Markus Lanthaler, Patrick Hayes, Peter Patel-Schneider, Sandro Hawke, Souripriya Das, Yves Raimond
Chair
Guus Schreiber
Scribe
Yves Raimond
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. accept minutes from last week link
  2. addres TCR1 and 2 with http://www.w3.org/mid/20131002122510.GC1493@w3.org link
  3. addres TCR3 with http://www.w3.org/mid/20131002124541.GD1493@w3.org link
  4. WG will not create a normalized NTriples bnode form for RDF test reference graphs link
  5. WG will not copy the RFC3987 production for IRIs into Turtle link
  6. We'll use names like "RDF 1.1 Turtle" for Turtle, TriG, N-Triples, N-Quads. Okay to informally call it "Turtle 1.1" but formally it's "RDF 1.1 Turtle". link
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14:56:29 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc

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14:56:33 <Guus> trackbot, start meeting

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14:56:33 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394

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14:56:34 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:56:34 <trackbot> Date: 30 October 2013
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14:56:38 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394

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14:56:39 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:56:39 <trackbot> Date: 30 October 2013
14:56:49 <Guus> chair: Guus
14:58:01 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has now started

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14:58:03 <Zakim> +Guus_Schreiber

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14:58:13 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

14:58:13 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

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14:58:14 <Zakim> +Ivan

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14:58:19 <Zakim> +pfps

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14:59:21 <Zakim> +??P5

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14:59:25 <gkellogg> zakim, I am ??P5

Gregg Kellogg: zakim, I am ??P5

14:59:25 <Zakim> +gkellogg; got it

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15:00:17 <Zakim> +PatH

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15:00:32 <Zakim> +Arnaud

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15:01:14 <Zakim> +??P8

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15:01:22 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P8 is me

Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P8 is me

15:01:22 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it

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15:01:35 <Zakim> +Sandro

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15:01:37 <Zakim> +GavinC

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15:02:21 <Guus> Zakim, pick a scribe

Guus Schreiber: Zakim, pick a scribe

15:02:36 <Zakim> +EricP

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15:02:43 <Guus> zakim, pick a scribe

Guus Schreiber: zakim, pick a scribe

15:02:43 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose yvesr

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose yvesr

15:03:12 <Zakim> +David_Wood

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15:03:19 <yvesr> scribe: yvesr

(Scribe set to Yves Raimond)

15:03:26 <ivan> zakim, mute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me

15:03:26 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted

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15:03:55 <Zakim> +??P15

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P15

15:03:57 <markus> zakim, ??P15 is me

Markus Lanthaler: zakim, ??P15 is me

15:03:57 <Zakim> +markus; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +markus; got it

15:04:05 <PatH> Congrats to Peter

Patrick Hayes: Congrats to Peter

15:04:09 <yvesr> congrats :)

congrats :)

15:04:35 <yvesr> Guus: pfps got an award at ISWC last week in Sydney

Guus Schreiber: pfps got an award at ISWC last week in Sydney

15:04:35 <pfps> minutes look good

Peter Patel-Schneider: minutes look good

15:04:43 <yvesr> RESOLVED: accept minutes from last week

RESOLVED: accept minutes from last week

15:05:01 <yvesr> topic: Reviewing action items

1. Reviewing action items

15:05:15 <gavinc> Claiming victory with ericP on ACTION-293

Gavin Carothers: Claiming victory with ericP on ACTION-293

15:05:25 <gavinc> ACTION-293?

Gavin Carothers: ACTION-293?

15:05:25 <trackbot> ACTION-293 -- Gavin Carothers to Update turtle ed to match published turtle cr document -- due 2013-09-18 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-293 -- Gavin Carothers to Update turtle ed to match published turtle cr document -- due 2013-09-18 -- OPEN

15:05:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/293

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/293

15:06:06 <pfps> gavin: can you put something somewhere showing success for action-293

Gavin Carothers: can you put something somewhere showing success for ACTION-293 [ Scribe Assist by Peter Patel-Schneider ]

15:06:08 <yvesr> Guus: there's a telecon next week, back to normal time schedule

Guus Schreiber: there's a telecon next week, back to normal time schedule

15:06:31 <yvesr> Guus: before the 7th of January, we have 7 teleconferences left

Guus Schreiber: before the 7th of January, we have 7 teleconferences left

15:06:53 <PatH> :-/

Patrick Hayes: :-/

15:06:58 <yvesr> Guus: tomorrow morning we have the transition call for JSON-LD

Guus Schreiber: tomorrow morning we have the transition call for JSON-LD

15:07:24 <yvesr> Guus: I just want to check the status of the documents

Guus Schreiber: I just want to check the status of the documents

15:07:45 <yvesr> markus: I didn't create the static version yet, but I can do that after the meeting

Markus Lanthaler: I didn't create the static version yet, but I can do that after the meeting

15:07:59 <yvesr> sandro: let's wait until after the meeting in case they are changes coming from that meeting

Sandro Hawke: let's wait until after the meeting in case they are changes coming from that meeting

15:08:05 <davidwood> q+

David Wood: q+

15:08:09 <yvesr> Guus: the same holds for pfps and PatH, for concepts

Guus Schreiber: the same holds for pfps and PatH, for concepts

15:08:37 <yvesr> Guus: if we can do that tomororw, then we can send them on Friday to the webmaster

Guus Schreiber: if we can do that tomororw, then we can send them on Friday to the webmaster

15:08:43 <pfps> what are the official steps to get a static version??

Peter Patel-Schneider: what are the official steps to get a static version??

15:08:52 <PatH> pfps and PatH are doing Semantics

Patrick Hayes: pfps and PatH are doing Semantics

15:09:16 <yvesr> Guus: We can stop talking about ISSUE-155

Guus Schreiber: We can stop talking about ISSUE-155

15:09:33 <davidwood> q-

David Wood: q-

15:10:07 <pfps> OK by me

Peter Patel-Schneider: OK by me

15:10:37 <PatH> OK

Patrick Hayes: OK

15:10:50 <yvesr> Guus: let's move on

Guus Schreiber: let's move on

15:10:59 <yvesr> topic: Test-suites

2. Test-suites

15:11:10 <yvesr> Guus: where are we wrt test suites and implementations

Guus Schreiber: where are we wrt test suites and implementations

15:11:26 <Zakim> +??P12

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12

15:11:29 <yvesr> pfps: The semantics test suite have been updated

Peter Patel-Schneider: The semantics test suite have been updated

15:11:33 <Zakim> -David_Wood

Zakim IRC Bot: -David_Wood

15:11:46 <yvesr> pfps: We need a volunteer for checking RDF entailment tests

Peter Patel-Schneider: We need a volunteer for checking RDF entailment tests

15:11:48 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+

15:11:49 <Souri> zakim,??P12 is me

Souripriya Das: zakim,??P12 is me

15:11:49 <Zakim> +Souri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri; got it

15:12:01 <Guus> ack sandro

Guus Schreiber: ack sandro

15:12:05 <Zakim> +David_Wood

Zakim IRC Bot: +David_Wood

15:12:07 <yvesr> sandro: I don't think I volunteered to do that

Sandro Hawke: I don't think I volunteered to do that

15:12:18 <yvesr> pfps: It was on the list of things to be done

Peter Patel-Schneider: It was on the list of things to be done

15:12:41 <Zakim> + +33.0.81.16.5aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.0.81.16.5aaaa

15:12:42 <yvesr> sandro: Michael Schneider mentioned he had a bunch of tests from years ago, which would be good RDF semantics tests

Sandro Hawke: Michael Schneider mentioned he had a bunch of tests from years ago, which would be good RDF semantics tests

15:12:49 <AZ> Zakim, aaaa is me

Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, aaaa is me

15:12:49 <Zakim> +AZ; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ; got it

15:13:01 <yvesr> sandro: he had a reasoner which could be considered as an implementation

Sandro Hawke: he had a reasoner which could be considered as an implementation

15:13:09 <yvesr> pfps: I'll take an action to contact him

Peter Patel-Schneider: I'll take an action to contact him

15:13:21 <yvesr> ACTION: pfps to contact Michael about RDF semantics tests

ACTION: pfps to contact Michael about RDF semantics tests

15:13:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-315 - Contact michael about rdf semantics tests [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2013-11-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-315 - Contact michael about rdf semantics tests [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2013-11-06].

15:13:40 <yvesr> Guus: what potential implementation for semantics do we have?

Guus Schreiber: what potential implementation for semantics do we have?

15:13:47 <yvesr> pfps: really we want ones that already exist

Peter Patel-Schneider: really we want ones that already exist

15:13:53 <yvesr> ... there must be a document on that somewhere

... there must be a document on that somewhere

15:14:01 <yvesr> sandro: you mean real world examples?

Sandro Hawke: you mean real world examples?

15:14:16 <yvesr> pfps: give sparql 1.1 has an entailement regime, they must have entailment checkers as well

Peter Patel-Schneider: given sparql 1.1 has an entailement regime, they must have entailment checkers as well

15:14:22 <yvesr> s/give/given
15:14:44 <yvesr> pfps: There must be an implementation report for SPARQL 1.1

Peter Patel-Schneider: There must be an implementation report for SPARQL 1.1

15:14:51 <yvesr> ... I think that's the way to go

... I think that's the way to go

15:14:53 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/#sparql11-entailment

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/#sparql11-entailment

15:14:59 <yvesr> sandro: Here is the implementation report

Sandro Hawke: Here is the implementation report

15:15:25 <yvesr> sandro: Lots of green, lots of red

Sandro Hawke: Lots of green, lots of red

15:15:34 <yvesr> sandro: I don't know which entailment regime those are

Sandro Hawke: I don't know which entailment regime those are

15:16:56 <yvesr> pfps: I'll check what the situation is wrt implementation

Peter Patel-Schneider: I'll check what the situation is wrt implementation

15:17:39 <yvesr> PatH: there is something in there, which checks that if you query a dataset you do match things in the default graph

Patrick Hayes: there is something in there, which checks that if you query a dataset you do match things in the default graph

15:17:47 <yvesr> ... which might be useful to have

... which might be useful to have

15:17:58 <yvesr> Guus: The timeline for this is November

Guus Schreiber: The timeline for this is November

15:18:19 <yvesr> pfps: The amount of effort to run these tests should be minimal

Peter Patel-Schneider: The amount of effort to run these tests should be minimal

15:18:56 <yvesr> Guus: question for gavinc wrt TriG test suites

Guus Schreiber: question for gavinc wrt TriG test suites

15:19:02 <yvesr> gavinc: The suites are in good shape

Gavin Carothers: The suites are in good shape

15:19:33 <yvesr> ... We have 3/4 implementations already

... We have 3/4 implementations already

15:19:57 <yvesr> gkellogg: I started one for n-triples

Gregg Kellogg: I started one for n-triples

15:20:08 <yvesr> gkellogg: I could do the same for n-quads and TriG

Gregg Kellogg: I could do the same for n-quads and TriG

15:20:16 <yvesr> Guus: That's fine

Guus Schreiber: That's fine

15:20:33 <yvesr> Guus: Most of the test suite work we'll need to do will be on semantics

Guus Schreiber: Most of the test suite work we'll need to do will be on semantics

15:20:38 <yvesr> topic: Turtle

3. Turtle

15:20:56 <yvesr> Guus: the implementation report seems to be in good shape

Guus Schreiber: the implementation report seems to be in good shape

15:21:01 <yvesr> ... the main issue is about comments

... the main issue is about comments

15:21:18 <yvesr> Guus: How are we on the issues?

Guus Schreiber: How are we on the issues?

15:21:43 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#Issues Turtle CR comments

Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments#Issues Turtle CR comments

15:21:47 <yvesr> ericP: Going down the list

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Going down the list

15:22:37 <yvesr> ... proposed means that there is a proposed response that hasn't been sent out yet

... proposed means that there is a proposed response that hasn't been sent out yet

15:22:44 <yvesr> ... I want WG approval before sending them out

... I want WG approval before sending them out

15:23:32 <ericP> PROPOSED: addres TCR1 and 2 with http://www.w3.org/mid/20131002122510.GC1493@w3.org

PROPOSED: addres TCR1 and 2 with http://www.w3.org/mid/20131002122510.GC1493@w3.org

15:23:49 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

15:23:56 <gavinc> +1

Gavin Carothers: +1

15:24:00 <gkellogg> +1

Gregg Kellogg: +1

15:24:00 <Guus> +1

Guus Schreiber: +1

15:24:02 <yvesr> +1

+1

15:24:02 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

15:24:04 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

15:24:19 <markus> +1

Markus Lanthaler: +1

15:24:19 <Arnaud> +1

Arnaud Le Hors: +1

15:24:25 <ericP> RESOLVED: addres TCR1 and 2 with http://www.w3.org/mid/20131002122510.GC1493@w3.org

RESOLVED: addres TCR1 and 2 with http://www.w3.org/mid/20131002122510.GC1493@w3.org

15:24:26 <AZ> +1

Antoine Zimmermann: +1

15:24:28 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:24:35 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPCaller is me

15:24:35 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

15:24:49 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

15:24:52 <ericP> PROPOSED: addres TCR3 with http://www.w3.org/mid/20131002124541.GD1493@w3.org

PROPOSED: addres TCR3 with http://www.w3.org/mid/20131002124541.GD1493@w3.org

15:24:54 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

15:24:57 <Souri> +1

Souripriya Das: +1

15:25:30 <gavinc> +1

Gavin Carothers: +1

15:25:39 <Arnaud> +1

Arnaud Le Hors: +1

15:25:40 <gavinc> P_NAME ;)

Gavin Carothers: P_NAME ;)

15:25:47 <gkellogg> +1

Gregg Kellogg: +1

15:25:48 <markus> +1

Markus Lanthaler: +1

15:25:49 <yvesr> +1

+1

15:25:49 <AZ> +1

Antoine Zimmermann: +1

15:25:50 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

15:25:55 <ericP> RESOLVED: addres TCR3 with http://www.w3.org/mid/20131002124541.GD1493@w3.org

RESOLVED: addres TCR3 with http://www.w3.org/mid/20131002124541.GD1493@w3.org

15:26:02 <PatH> +1 sorry

Patrick Hayes: +1 sorry

15:26:49 <yvesr> ericP: 7 needs a bit of discussion - what should the constructor in the parsing rule say about parsing strings?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: 7 needs a bit of discussion - what should the constructor in the parsing rule say about parsing strings?

15:27:00 <yvesr> ... typing it with xsd:string or leaving it plain

... typing it with xsd:string or leaving it plain

15:27:09 <yvesr> PatH: There's no such thing as a plain literal?

Patrick Hayes: There's no such thing as a plain literal?

15:27:15 <davidwood> Right - it should make an xsd:string

David Wood: Right - it should make an xsd:string

15:27:21 <davidwood> +1

David Wood: +1

15:27:22 <yvesr> ericP: OK, so we can construct it as an xsd:string

Eric Prud'hommeaux: OK, so we can construct it as an xsd:string

15:27:41 <yvesr> gavinc: The first draft of Turtle was out before we made that decision - this is left over

Gavin Carothers: The first draft of Turtle was out before we made that decision - this is left over

15:28:23 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to see that parsing rules in Turtle map plain literal syntax to literal constructor of type xsd:string

ACTION: ericP to see that parsing rules in Turtle map plain literal syntax to literal constructor of type xsd:string

15:28:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-316 - See that parsing rules in turtle map plain literal syntax to literal constructor of type xsd:string [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-11-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-316 - See that parsing rules in turtle map plain literal syntax to literal constructor of type xsd:string [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-11-06].

15:28:27 <yvesr> ericP: It is possible the document is already correct - the comment might have been on an earlier version

Eric Prud'hommeaux: It is possible the document is already correct - the comment might have been on an earlier version

15:28:27 <gavinc> The literal has a lexical form of the first rule argument, String, and either a language tag of LANGTAG or a datatype IRI of iri, depending on which rule matched the input. if neither a language tag nor a datatype IRI is provided, the literal has a datatype of xsd:string.

Gavin Carothers: The literal has a lexical form of the first rule argument, String, and either a language tag of LANGTAG or a datatype IRI of iri, depending on which rule matched the input. if neither a language tag nor a datatype IRI is provided, the literal has a datatype of xsd:string.

15:28:44 <AndyS> And NT, NQ, TriG? RDF/XML?

Andy Seaborne: And NT, NQ, TriG? RDF/XML?

15:29:13 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to respond to TCR8

ACTION: ericP to respond to TCR8

15:29:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-317 - Respond to tcr8 [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-11-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-317 - Respond to tcr8 [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-11-06].

15:29:36 <AndyS> (not clear that in the parsing rules is the best place - rather in the formation of the abstract data model - then catches every syntax)

Andy Seaborne: (not clear that in the parsing rules is the best place - rather in the formation of the abstract data model - then catches every syntax)

15:29:46 <yvesr> ericP: 9 needs to be fixed in respec

Eric Prud'hommeaux: 9 needs to be fixed in respec

15:30:33 <yvesr> ericP: 10, we need to refer to the current RDF-CONCEPTS - respec should take care of that

Eric Prud'hommeaux: 10, we need to refer to the current RDF-CONCEPTS - respec should take care of that

15:30:40 <yvesr> gavinc: I'll do that

Gavin Carothers: I'll do that

15:30:54 <yvesr> ericP: 12 was an objection to SPARQL PREFIX and BASE

Eric Prud'hommeaux: 12 was an objection to SPARQL PREFIX and BASE

15:31:14 <yvesr> ericP: 13 was a comment was on a few things, including normalising bnodes for diff

Eric Prud'hommeaux: 13 was a comment was on a few things, including normalising bnodes for diff

15:31:32 <yvesr> ericP: Should we have a quick resolution to not come up with a normalised form?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Should we have a quick resolution to not come up with a normalised form?

15:32:15 <yvesr> gavinc: It means that we can just compare strings to check the tests

Gavin Carothers: It means that we can just compare strings to check the tests

15:32:20 <PatH> +NO

Patrick Hayes: +NO

15:32:24 <ericP> PROPOSED: WG will not create a normalized NTriples bnode form for RDF test reference graphs

PROPOSED: WG will not create a normalized NTriples bnode form for RDF test reference graphs

15:32:30 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

15:32:33 <Arnaud> +1

Arnaud Le Hors: +1

15:32:34 <gkellogg> +1

Gregg Kellogg: +1

15:32:35 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

15:32:36 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

15:32:37 <PatH> +1

Patrick Hayes: +1

15:32:37 <yvesr> +1

+1

15:32:38 <gavinc> +1

Gavin Carothers: +1

15:32:39 <Guus> +1

Guus Schreiber: +1

15:32:43 <AZ> +1

Antoine Zimmermann: +1

15:32:43 <AndyS> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1

15:32:43 <markus> +1

Markus Lanthaler: +1

15:32:51 <ericP> RESOLVED: WG will not create a normalized NTriples bnode form for RDF test reference graphs

RESOLVED: WG will not create a normalized NTriples bnode form for RDF test reference graphs

15:33:06 <gavinc> same thing ;)

Gavin Carothers: same thing ;)

15:33:41 <yvesr> ericP: the next three are resolved

Eric Prud'hommeaux: the next three are resolved

15:34:00 <yvesr> ericP: 19 and 20 are about missing links to things

Eric Prud'hommeaux: 19 and 20 are about missing links to things

15:34:08 <yvesr> ... we'll need to deal with them before next transition

... we'll need to deal with them before next transition

15:34:44 <yvesr> ericP: 23 is about IRI production

Eric Prud'hommeaux: 23 is about IRI production

15:34:55 <yvesr> ... we didn't copy the whole production from RFC3987

... we didn't copy the whole production from RFC3987

15:35:00 <yvesr> gavinc: It was intentional

Gavin Carothers: It was intentional

15:35:31 <ericP> PROPOSED: WG will not copy the RFC3987 production for IRIs into Turtle

PROPOSED: WG will not copy the RFC3987 production for IRIs into Turtle

15:35:37 <gkellogg> +1

Gregg Kellogg: +1

15:35:37 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

15:35:37 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

15:35:40 <PatH> +1

Patrick Hayes: +1

15:35:41 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

15:35:44 <davidwood> +1

David Wood: +1

15:35:44 <Souri> +1

Souripriya Das: +1

15:35:45 <markus> +1

Markus Lanthaler: +1

15:35:46 <AndyS> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1

15:35:48 <AZ> +1

Antoine Zimmermann: +1

15:35:50 <gavinc> +1

Gavin Carothers: +1

15:35:51 <yvesr> +1

+1

15:35:57 <ericP> RESOLVED: WG will not copy the RFC3987 production for IRIs into Turtle

RESOLVED: WG will not copy the RFC3987 production for IRIs into Turtle

15:37:22 <gavinc> turtle-bnf.html

Gavin Carothers: turtle-bnf.html

15:38:03 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to edit turtle-bnf.html to add quoted characters and respond with an affirmative on TCR34

ACTION: ericP to edit turtle-bnf.html to add quoted characters and respond with an affirmative on TCR34

15:38:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-318 - Edit turtle-bnf.html to add quoted characters and respond with an affirmative on tcr34 [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-11-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-318 - Edit turtle-bnf.html to add quoted characters and respond with an affirmative on tcr34 [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-11-06].

15:38:51 <yvesr> ericP: One of the example wasn't valid Turtle - edited and committed a fix for that

Eric Prud'hommeaux: One of the example wasn't valid Turtle - edited and committed a fix for that

15:40:27 <gavinc> +1 to not doing versions

Gavin Carothers: +1 to not doing versions

15:40:34 <yvesr> ericP: about 38, I think I might be able to convince the commenter it's OK

Eric Prud'hommeaux: about 38, I think I might be able to convince the commenter it's OK

15:41:02 <yvesr> ericP: about 38, adding a media type would mean another CR

Eric Prud'hommeaux: about 39, adding a media type would mean another CR

15:41:35 <yvesr> sandro: i understood his comment as not being a change to the standard

Sandro Hawke: i understood his comment as not being a change to the standard

15:41:53 <yvesr> s/38/39
15:42:15 <yvesr> sandro: How do I mediate between old Turtle and new Turtle?

Sandro Hawke: How do I mediate between old Turtle and new Turtle?

15:42:28 <yvesr> gavinc: there are quite a few grammars around that aren't compatible with each other

Gavin Carothers: there are quite a few grammars around that aren't compatible with each other

15:42:38 <yvesr> gavinc: so there's no such thing as 'old turtle'

Gavin Carothers: so there's no such thing as 'old turtle'

15:43:18 <yvesr> s/39/33
15:43:47 <yvesr> ericP: In our communication with the outside world, we need a way to name this new standard

Eric Prud'hommeaux: In our communication with the outside world, we need a way to name this new standard

15:43:52 <yvesr> Guus: Makes sense to call it 1.1

Guus Schreiber: Makes sense to call it 1.1

15:44:38 <yvesr> gavinc: Dave Beckett's Turtle isn't the same as the W3C submission

Gavin Carothers: Dave Beckett's Turtle isn't the same as the W3C submission

15:45:15 <yvesr> sandro: 1.0 is a combination of all the specs and all mainstream parsers that are out there

Sandro Hawke: 1.0 is a combination of all the specs and all mainstream parsers that are out there

15:45:29 <yvesr> ericP: we can do an adequate job by saying that 1.1 is what we specify

Eric Prud'hommeaux: we can do an adequate job by saying that 1.1 is what we specify

15:46:44 <ericP> PROPOSED: the string identifier for the version of Turtle published by the RDF WG is "Turtle 1.1"

PROPOSED: the string identifier for the version of Turtle published by the RDF WG is "Turtle 1.1"

15:46:49 <yvesr> +1

+1

15:46:53 <gkellogg> +1

Gregg Kellogg: +1

15:46:56 <Guus> +1

Guus Schreiber: +1

15:46:57 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

15:46:58 <AZ> +1

Antoine Zimmermann: +1

15:47:02 <ivan> 0

Ivan Herman: 0

15:47:03 <pfps> +1.1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1.1

15:47:07 <Souri> +1

Souripriya Das: +1

15:47:09 <gavinc> -0

Gavin Carothers: -0

15:47:10 <sandro> Formally speaking we might call them "RDF 1.1 <foo>" like "RDF 1.1 TriG" which might be informallr abreviated to "TriG 1.1"

Sandro Hawke: Formally speaking we might call them "RDF 1.1 <foo>" like "RDF 1.1 TriG" which might be informallr abreviated to "TriG 1.1"

15:47:11 <markus> +0

Markus Lanthaler: +0

15:47:12 <Arnaud> +1

Arnaud Le Hors: +1

15:47:18 <davidwood> +1

David Wood: +1

15:47:24 <sandro> +0.75

Sandro Hawke: +0.75

15:47:42 <PatH> +1

Patrick Hayes: +1

15:47:55 <davidwood> However, I do like sandro's suggestion.

David Wood: However, I do like sandro's suggestion.

15:47:58 <yvesr> sandro: technically it's 'rdf 1.1 turtle'

Sandro Hawke: technically it's 'rdf 1.1 turtle'

15:47:59 <gavinc> +1 to RDF 1.1 Turtle

Gavin Carothers: +1 to RDF 1.1 Turtle

15:48:04 <markus> always finds it strange if something doesn't start with 1.0... people will wonder where to find 1.0

Markus Lanthaler: always finds it strange if something doesn't start with 1.0... people will wonder where to find 1.0

15:48:09 <AndyS> alt -- "Turtle (RDF 1.1)"

Andy Seaborne: alt -- "Turtle (RDF 1.1)"

15:48:11 <yvesr> ... as it is rdf 1.1 trig, turtle, etc.

... as it is rdf 1.1 trig, turtle, etc.

15:48:28 <PatH> Tur1.1tle

Patrick Hayes: Tur1.1tle

15:48:36 <yvesr> gavinc: the biggest change to turtle is not the grammar, it is that everything is an xsd:string

Gavin Carothers: the biggest change to turtle is not the grammar, it is that everything is an xsd:string

15:48:43 <PatH> But seriously, +1 to sandro

Patrick Hayes: But seriously, +1 to sandro

15:48:46 <markus> +1 to using RDF 1.1 in the title instead of Turtle 1.1

Markus Lanthaler: +1 to using RDF 1.1 in the title instead of Turtle 1.1

15:48:52 <ivan> +1 to Sandro

Ivan Herman: +1 to Sandro

15:49:00 <gkellogg> +1 to RDF 1.1 Turtle/Trig/N-Triples/N-Quads

Gregg Kellogg: +1 to RDF 1.1 Turtle/Trig/N-Triples/N-Quads

15:49:07 <Souri> +1 to RDF 1.1 *

Souripriya Das: +1 to RDF 1.1 *

15:49:14 <yvesr> Guus: it's a bit long, but very descriptive and very clear

Guus Schreiber: it's a bit long, but very descriptive and very clear

15:49:30 <ivan> do we change the document's short name?

Ivan Herman: do we change the document's short name?

15:49:32 <Arnaud> are we going to do the same for every format?

Arnaud Le Hors: are we going to do the same for every format?

15:49:36 <AndyS> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1

15:50:27 <sandro> PROPOSED: We'll use names like  "RDF 1.1 Turtle" for Turtle, TriG, N-Triples, N-Quads.    Okay to informally call it "Turtle 1.1" but formally it's "RDF 1.1 Turtle".

PROPOSED: We'll use names like "RDF 1.1 Turtle" for Turtle, TriG, N-Triples, N-Quads. Okay to informally call it "Turtle 1.1" but formally it's "RDF 1.1 Turtle".

15:50:33 <Arnaud> unless we do that consistently I don't think that's a good idea

Arnaud Le Hors: unless we do that consistently I don't think that's a good idea

15:50:34 <AZ> +1

Antoine Zimmermann: +1

15:50:35 <yvesr> Guus: we have about 4 minutes left - we can do this proposal and then close this call

Guus Schreiber: we have about 4 minutes left - we can do this proposal and then close this call

15:50:38 <yvesr> +1

+1

15:50:38 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

15:50:42 <gkellogg> +1

Gregg Kellogg: +1

15:50:43 <gavinc> +1

Gavin Carothers: +1

15:50:43 <Guus> +1

Guus Schreiber: +1

15:50:45 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

15:50:55 <davidwood> +1

David Wood: +1

15:51:00 <Arnaud> -0

Arnaud Le Hors: -0

15:51:01 <Souri> +1

Souripriya Das: +1

15:51:19 <yvesr> Guus: I suggest we adapt all the titles of the documents now

Guus Schreiber: I suggest we adapt all the titles of the documents now

15:51:27 <gavinc> Arnaud, I'll do it for everything I'm editing... so yeah, that's all the new syntaxes ;)

Gavin Carothers: Arnaud, I'll do it for everything I'm editing... so yeah, that's all the new syntaxes ;)

15:51:40 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:51:44 <yvesr> sandro: the bibliography needs to be changed as well

Sandro Hawke: the bibliography needs to be changed as well

15:51:51 <ivan> zakim, unmute ivan

Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute ivan

15:51:51 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted

15:51:52 <yvesr> gavinc: I'll update the titles and bibliography

Gavin Carothers: I'll update the titles and bibliography

15:52:02 <yvesr> ACTION: gavinc to update documents and bibliography

ACTION: gavinc to update documents and bibliography

15:52:02 <trackbot> Error finding 'gavinc'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'gavinc'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>.

15:52:10 <yvesr> ACTION: gavin to update documents and bibliography

ACTION: gavin to update documents and bibliography

15:52:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-319 - Update documents and bibliography [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-11-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-319 - Update documents and bibliography [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-11-06].

15:52:12 <sandro> RESOLVED: We'll use names like  "RDF 1.1 Turtle" for Turtle, TriG, N-Triples, N-Quads.    Okay to informally call it "Turtle 1.1" but formally it's "RDF 1.1 Turtle".

RESOLVED: We'll use names like "RDF 1.1 Turtle" for Turtle, TriG, N-Triples, N-Quads. Okay to informally call it "Turtle 1.1" but formally it's "RDF 1.1 Turtle".

15:52:17 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to respond to TCR33 with the string identifier for the version of Turtle published by the RDF WG is "RDF 1.1 Turtle"

ACTION: ericP to respond to TCR33 with the string identifier for the version of Turtle published by the RDF WG is "RDF 1.1 Turtle"

15:52:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-320 - Respond to tcr33 with the string identifier for the version of turtle published by the rdf wg is "rdf 1.1 turtle" [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-11-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-320 - Respond to tcr33 with the string identifier for the version of turtle published by the rdf wg is "rdf 1.1 turtle" [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-11-06].

15:53:15 <ivan> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

15:53:30 <yvesr> Guus: we didn't get to Antoine's dataset

Guus Schreiber: we didn't get to Antoine's dataset

15:53:48 <yvesr> Guus: let's talk about it next week

Guus Schreiber: let's talk about it next week

15:54:02 <yvesr> Guus: I hope we can get a complete draft of the primer in the next couple of weeks

Guus Schreiber: I hope we can get a complete draft of the primer in the next couple of weeks

15:54:07 <yvesr> Guus: let's adjourn

Guus Schreiber: let's adjourn

15:54:24 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan

15:54:25 <AZ> buy

Antoine Zimmermann: buy

15:54:26 <Zakim> -David_Wood

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15:54:26 <Zakim> -gkellogg

Zakim IRC Bot: -gkellogg

15:54:26 <yvesr> Guus: hopefully the transition meeting will go well!

Guus Schreiber: hopefully the transition meeting will go well!

15:54:33 <Zakim> -yvesr

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15:54:35 <Zakim> -AZ

Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ

15:54:36 <Zakim> -Arnaud

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15:54:49 <Zakim> -Souri

Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri

15:54:52 <Zakim> -Guus_Schreiber

Zakim IRC Bot: -Guus_Schreiber

15:55:06 <Zakim> -markus

Zakim IRC Bot: -markus

15:55:10 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

15:55:12 <Zakim> -EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP

15:55:14 <pfps> one call to transition them, and in the darkness publish them?

Peter Patel-Schneider: one call to transition them, and in the darkness publish them?

15:55:15 <gavinc> PatH:     Zakim Bridge +1.617.761.6200, conference 7332 ("RDFC")

Patrick Hayes: Zakim Bridge +1.617.761.6200, conference 7332 ("RDFC") [ Scribe Assist by Gavin Carothers ]

15:55:23 <Zakim> -PatH

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15:55:28 <Zakim> -GavinC

Zakim IRC Bot: -GavinC

15:55:40 <yvesr> trackbot, end meeting

trackbot, end meeting

15:55:40 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

15:55:40 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Guus_Schreiber, Ivan, pfps, gkellogg, PatH, Arnaud, yvesr, Sandro, GavinC, EricP, David_Wood, markus, Souri, +33.0.81.16.5aaaa, AZ, AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Guus_Schreiber, Ivan, pfps, gkellogg, PatH, Arnaud, yvesr, Sandro, GavinC, EricP, David_Wood, markus, Souri, +33.0.81.16.5aaaa, AZ, AndyS

15:55:48 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

15:55:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot

15:55:49 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

15:55:49 <RRSAgent> I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :

15:55:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: pfps to contact Michael about RDF semantics tests [1]

ACTION: pfps to contact Michael about RDF semantics tests [1]

15:55:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-13-21

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-13-21

15:55:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to see that parsing rules in Turtle map plain literal syntax to literal constructor of type xsd:string [2]

ACTION: ericP to see that parsing rules in Turtle map plain literal syntax to literal constructor of type xsd:string [2]

15:55:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-28-23

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-28-23

15:55:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to respond to TCR8 [3]

ACTION: ericP to respond to TCR8 [3]

15:55:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-29-13

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-29-13

15:55:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to edit turtle-bnf.html to add quoted characters and respond with an affirmative on TCR34 [4]

ACTION: ericP to edit turtle-bnf.html to add quoted characters and respond with an affirmative on TCR34 [4]

15:55:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-38-03

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-38-03

15:55:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gavinc to update documents and bibliography [5]

ACTION: gavinc to update documents and bibliography [5]

15:55:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-52-02

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-52-02

15:55:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gavin to update documents and bibliography [6]

ACTION: gavin to update documents and bibliography [6]

15:55:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-52-10

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-52-10

15:55:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ericP to respond to TCR33 with the string identifier for the version of Turtle published by the RDF WG is "RDF 1.1 Turtle" [7]

ACTION: ericP to respond to TCR33 with the string identifier for the version of Turtle published by the RDF WG is "RDF 1.1 Turtle" [7]

15:55:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-52-17

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-rdf-wg-irc#T15-52-17

15:56:05 <Zakim> -AndyS

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