14:57:46 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/01/14-ldp-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/01/14-ldp-irc ←
14:57:54 <Ruben> Zakim, who is here?
Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, who is here? ←
14:57:54 <Zakim> sorry, Ruben, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Ruben, I don't know what conference this is ←
14:57:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Ruben, SteveS, bhyland, MacTed, betehess, JohnArwe, stevebattle, jmvanel, Arnaud, bblfish, trackbot, Yves, sandro, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Ruben, SteveS, bhyland, MacTed, betehess, JohnArwe, stevebattle, jmvanel, Arnaud, bblfish, trackbot, Yves, sandro, ericP ←
14:58:19 <Ruben> Zakim, list
Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, list ←
14:58:19 <Zakim> I see BusD_Digital()10:00AM, Team_(html-a11y-plan)14:05Z, SW_LDP()10:00AM active
Zakim IRC Bot: I see BusD_Digital()10:00AM, Team_(html-a11y-plan)14:05Z, SW_LDP()10:00AM active ←
14:58:22 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are SW_HCLS(Chairs)9:00AM, XML_SchemaW()10:00AM, WAI_PFWG(ARIA)10:00AM, UW_WebTVIG()10:00AM, MM_MMI()9:00AM, Team_SysWeb()10:00AM, SW_HCLS(Disc)10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: also scheduled at this time are SW_HCLS(Chairs)9:00AM, XML_SchemaW()10:00AM, WAI_PFWG(ARIA)10:00AM, UW_WebTVIG()10:00AM, MM_MMI()9:00AM, Team_SysWeb()10:00AM, SW_HCLS(Disc)10:00AM ←
14:58:39 <Ruben> Zakim, this is SW_LDP
Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, this is SW_LDP ←
14:58:39 <Zakim> ok, Ruben; that matches SW_LDP()10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Ruben; that matches SW_LDP()10:00AM ←
14:58:47 <Ruben> Zakim, who is here?
Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, who is here? ←
14:58:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see TomDN, SteveBattle
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see TomDN, SteveBattle ←
14:58:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Ruben, SteveS, bhyland, MacTed, betehess, JohnArwe, stevebattle, jmvanel, Arnaud, bblfish, trackbot, Yves, sandro, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Ruben, SteveS, bhyland, MacTed, betehess, JohnArwe, stevebattle, jmvanel, Arnaud, bblfish, trackbot, Yves, sandro, ericP ←
14:58:53 <Ruben> Zakim, TomDN is me
Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, TomDN is me ←
14:58:53 <Zakim> +Ruben; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ruben; got it ←
14:59:04 <Zakim> +??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4 ←
15:00:46 <Zakim> +bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish ←
15:00:55 <Zakim> +Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud ←
15:00:57 <bblfish> hi
Henry Story: hi ←
15:01:01 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software ←
15:01:11 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
15:01:11 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←
15:01:12 <Zakim> +[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←
15:01:12 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:01:14 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:01:18 <SteveS> zakim, [IBM] is me
Steve Speicher: zakim, [IBM] is me ←
15:01:18 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it ←
15:01:59 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
15:02:11 <Zakim> +JohnArwe
Zakim IRC Bot: +JohnArwe ←
15:02:52 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on here?
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on here? ←
15:02:53 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Arnaud.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, Arnaud. ←
15:03:01 <Zakim> + +44.208.573.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.208.573.aaaa ←
15:03:08 <bblfish> zakim, who's present?
Henry Story: zakim, who's present? ←
15:03:08 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, bblfish.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, bblfish. ←
15:03:12 <Ruben> zakim, who is here?
Ruben Verborgh: zakim, who is here? ←
15:03:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ruben, SteveBattle, ??P4, bblfish, Arnaud, MacTed (muted), SteveS, Sandro, JohnArwe, +44.208.573.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ruben, SteveBattle, ??P4, bblfish, Arnaud, MacTed (muted), SteveS, Sandro, JohnArwe, +44.208.573.aaaa ←
15:03:13 <Arnaud> Bonne Annee Bernadette! :)
Arnaud Le Hors: Bonne Annee Bernadette! :) ←
15:03:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see roger, svillata, Kalpa, krp, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ruben, SteveS, bhyland, MacTed, betehess, JohnArwe, stevebattle, jmvanel, Arnaud, bblfish, trackbot, Yves, sandro,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see roger, svillata, Kalpa, krp, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ruben, SteveS, bhyland, MacTed, betehess, JohnArwe, stevebattle, jmvanel, Arnaud, bblfish, trackbot, Yves, sandro, ←
15:03:15 <Zakim> ... ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: ... ericP ←
15:03:26 <bblfish> hi
Henry Story: hi ←
15:03:40 <Zakim> +??P19
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19 ←
15:04:17 <roger> zakim, I am ?aaaa
Roger Menday: zakim, I am ?aaaa ←
15:04:17 <Zakim> sorry, roger, I do not see a party named '?aaaa'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, roger, I do not see a party named '?aaaa' ←
15:04:27 <roger> zakim, I am aaaa
Roger Menday: zakim, I am aaaa ←
15:04:27 <Zakim> +roger; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +roger; got it ←
15:04:44 <krp> zakim, ??P19 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P19 is me ←
15:04:44 <Zakim> +krp; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←
15:04:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:05:00 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPCaller is me ←
15:05:01 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:05:11 <Yves> regrets, in another meeting...
Yves Lafon: regrets, in another meeting... ←
15:05:12 <JohnArwe> zakim, aaaa is roger
John Arwe: zakim, aaaa is roger ←
15:05:12 <Zakim> sorry, JohnArwe, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, JohnArwe, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa' ←
15:05:49 <Arnaud> zakim, pick a victim
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, pick a victim ←
15:05:49 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose SteveS
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose SteveS ←
15:06:25 <Arnaud> zakim, who's here?
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's here? ←
15:06:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ruben, SteveBattle, ??P4, bblfish, Arnaud, MacTed (muted), SteveS, Sandro, JohnArwe, roger, krp, AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ruben, SteveBattle, ??P4, bblfish, Arnaud, MacTed (muted), SteveS, Sandro, JohnArwe, roger, krp, AndyS ←
15:06:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see roger, svillata, Kalpa, krp, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ruben, SteveS, bhyland, MacTed, betehess, JohnArwe, stevebattle, jmvanel, Arnaud, bblfish, trackbot, Yves, sandro,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see roger, svillata, Kalpa, krp, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ruben, SteveS, bhyland, MacTed, betehess, JohnArwe, stevebattle, jmvanel, Arnaud, bblfish, trackbot, Yves, sandro, ←
15:06:27 <Zakim> ... ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: ... ericP ←
15:06:44 <Zakim> +MHausenblas
Zakim IRC Bot: +MHausenblas ←
15:06:47 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, mhausenblas is me ←
15:06:47 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
15:07:05 <bblfish> zakim, who is making noise?
Henry Story: zakim, who is making noise? ←
15:07:17 <Zakim> bblfish, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P4 (4%), Arnaud (43%), JohnArwe (5%), AndyS (61%)
Zakim IRC Bot: bblfish, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P4 (4%), Arnaud (43%), JohnArwe (5%), AndyS (61%) ←
15:07:33 <SteveS> Scribe: SteveS
(Scribe set to Steve Speicher)
15:07:48 <SteveS> Topic: Minutes from 7-Jan-2013
15:08:17 <bblfish> how do you know that he was on irc Arnaud?
Henry Story: how do you know that he was on irc Arnaud? ←
15:08:18 <SteveS> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2013-01-07
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2013-01-07 ←
15:08:35 <bblfish> so what was his name in the irc log?
Henry Story: so what was his name in the irc log? ←
15:08:51 <SteveS> Arnaud: Trying to discover who is W782C
Arnaud Le Hors: Trying to discover who is W782C ←
15:09:26 <bblfish> ah ok
Henry Story: ah ok ←
15:09:31 <SteveS> from last meeting, we haven't identified this person/bot
from last meeting, we haven't identified this person/bot ←
15:09:55 <SteveS> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes 7-Jan-2013
PROPOSED: Approve minutes 7-Jan-2013 ←
15:09:58 <stevebattle> +1
Steve Battle: +1 ←
15:10:08 <bblfish> +1
Henry Story: +1 ←
15:10:18 <SteveS> RESOLUTION: Approve minutes 7-Jan-2013
RESOLVED: Approve minutes 7-Jan-2013 ←
15:10:29 <Zakim> +??P26
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26 ←
15:10:38 <SteveS> Topic: Logistics of meetings, including F2F
15:10:54 <SteveS> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F2
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F2 ←
15:11:25 <SteveS> Arnaud: opportunity to sponsor events
Arnaud Le Hors: opportunity to sponsor events ←
15:11:35 <SteveS> be sure to update whether you can attend or not on the wiki page
be sure to update whether you can attend or not on the wiki page ←
15:11:45 <Zakim> -??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P4 ←
15:11:56 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P26 is me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P26 is me ←
15:11:56 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu; got it ←
15:12:17 <SteveS> there are a couple of options for rooms, one with a view and other with video conference
there are a couple of options for rooms, one with a view and other with video conference ←
15:12:53 <SteveS> would prefer a bit view, though interested who would use or need video conference
would prefer a bit view, though interested who would use or need video conference ←
15:12:53 <bblfish> Arnaud: MacTed says that "found this in local IRC logs... [10:06:08 AM] *** W782C is now known as nmihindu" -- just repeating it because I am not sure /me end up being visible in the logs
Arnaud Le Hors: MacTed says that "found this in local IRC logs... [10:06:08 AM] *** W782C is now known as nmihindu" -- just repeating it because I am not sure /me end up being visible in the logs [ Scribe Assist by Henry Story ] ←
15:13:11 <JohnArwe> nmihindu, you joined after a discussion that MacTed's logs suggest you might be related to. Did you join last week as W782C ?
John Arwe: nmihindu, you joined after a discussion that MacTed's logs suggest you might be related to. Did you join last week as W782C ? ←
15:13:19 <SteveS> Sandro: unsure of the logistical details of the video conference, could send
Sandro Hawke: unsure of the logistical details of the video conference, could send ←
15:13:37 <SteveS> video conf room can only fit about 9 people around the room
video conf table can only fit about 9 people around the table ←
15:13:44 <sandro> s/room/table
15:13:59 <SteveS> Topic: Actions and Issues
15:14:12 <SteveS> ACTION-34?
15:14:12 <trackbot> ACTION-34 -- Steve Speicher to [EDITOR] Upate spec for resolution of ISSUE-12 PATCH for creation -- due 2013-01-15 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-34 -- Steve Speicher to [EDITOR] Upate spec for resolution of ISSUE-12 PATCH for creation -- due 2013-01-15 -- OPEN ←
15:14:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/34
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/34 ←
15:14:29 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[GVoice] ←
15:15:03 <SteveS> JohnArwe: has created wiki page for it already but not completely populated
John Arwe: has created wiki page for it already but not completely populated ←
15:15:28 <JohnArwe> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/ISSUE-34 is the link (resolves action 35)
John Arwe: ISSUE-34">http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/ISSUE-34 is the link (resolves ACTION-35) ←
15:15:34 <SteveS> ACTION-35?
15:15:34 <trackbot> ACTION-35 -- John Arwe to create wiki page for issue-34 proposals -- due 2013-01-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-35 -- John Arwe to create wiki page for ISSUE-34 proposals -- due 2013-01-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW ←
15:15:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/35
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/35 ←
15:15:45 <SteveS> CLOSE ACTION-35
15:15:45 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-35 Create wiki page for issue-34 proposals.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-35 Create wiki page for ISSUE-34 proposals. ←
15:16:19 <Zakim> -bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish ←
15:16:27 <nmihindu> JohnArwe, I joined last week, I thought I joined as nhihindu. But according to the log it was first W782C.
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: JohnArwe, I joined last week, I thought I joined as nhihindu. But according to the log it was first W782C. ←
15:16:31 <JohnArwe> I also linked issue 34 http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/34 to the new wiki page
John Arwe: I also linked ISSUE-34 http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/34 to the new wiki page ←
15:16:45 <SteveS> ACTION-6?
15:16:45 <trackbot> ACTION-6 -- Michael Hausenblas to review SDshare -- due 2012-09-28 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-6 -- Michael Hausenblas to review SDshare -- due 2012-09-28 -- OPEN ←
15:16:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/6
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/6 ←
15:17:06 <SteveS> Arnaud: not sure Michael can tend to it
Arnaud Le Hors: not sure Michael can tend to it ←
15:17:21 <SteveS> recommend dropping it (closing it as no work done)
recommend dropping it (closing it as no work done) ←
15:17:35 <stevebattle> +1
Steve Battle: +1 ←
15:17:59 <SteveS> PROPOSAL: Close ACTION-6 as no conflict with SDshare
PROPOSED: Close ACTION-6 as no conflict with SDshare ←
15:18:45 <Zakim> +bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish ←
15:18:49 <SteveS> +1
+1 ←
15:18:55 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
15:18:55 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
15:18:58 <nmihindu> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
15:19:02 <JohnArwe> +1
15:19:10 <MacTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
15:19:17 <cygri> +1
Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←
15:19:22 <SteveS> RESOLUTION: Close ACTION-6 as no conflict with SDshare
RESOLVED: Close ACTION-6 as no conflict with SDshare ←
15:19:29 <SteveS> CLOSE ACTION-6
15:19:29 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-6 Review SDshare.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-6 Review SDshare. ←
15:19:42 <bblfish> wait
Henry Story: wait ←
15:19:49 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
15:20:42 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
15:21:00 <bblfish> Action-30?
15:21:00 <trackbot> ACTION-30 -- Steve Speicher to [EDITOR] check the LDP spec for examples in which relative URLs might be used -- due 2012-12-31 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-30 -- Steve Speicher to [EDITOR] check the LDP spec for examples in which relative URLs might be used -- due 2012-12-31 -- OPEN ←
15:21:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/30
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/30 ←
15:21:06 <SteveS> bblfish: question on ACTION-30 and whether we should include a trailing slash on container URIs
Henry Story: question on ACTION-30 and whether we should include a trailing slash on container URIs ←
15:21:46 <SteveS> SteveS: editor's will take feedback and incorporate it when finishing ACTION-30
Steve Speicher: editor's will take feedback and incorporate it when finishing ACTION-30 ←
15:22:10 <bblfish> the issue with Action-30 I was mentioning was http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Jan/0071.html
Henry Story: the issue with ACTION-30 I was mentioning was http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Jan/0071.html ←
15:22:18 <bblfish> Action-43 ?
15:22:20 <SteveS> subTopic: Raised issues https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/raised
15:22:34 <SteveS> ISSUE-43?
15:22:34 <trackbot> ISSUE-43 -- hint at naming a resource on creation -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-43 -- hint at naming a resource on creation -- raised ←
15:22:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/43
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/43 ←
15:22:59 <bblfish> ok
Henry Story: ok ←
15:23:10 <bblfish> +1
Henry Story: +1 ←
15:23:11 <SteveS> PROPOSAL: Move ISSUE-43 to open
PROPOSED: Move ISSUE-43 to open ←
15:23:14 <stevebattle> +1
Steve Battle: +1 ←
15:23:15 <SteveS> +1
+1 ←
15:23:16 <bblfish> +1
Henry Story: +1 ←
15:23:17 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
15:23:18 <krp> +1
Kevin Page: +1 ←
15:23:22 <JohnArwe> +1
15:23:41 <nmihindu> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
15:23:52 <roger> +1
Roger Menday: +1 ←
15:23:58 <SteveS> RESOLUTION: Open ISSUE-43
15:24:04 <SteveS> OPEN ISSUE-43
15:24:11 <SteveS> REOPEN ISSUE-43
15:24:12 <trackbot> Re-opened ISSUE-43 hint at naming a resource on creation.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Re-opened ISSUE-43 hint at naming a resource on creation. ←
15:24:24 <SteveS> ISSUE-44
15:24:24 <trackbot> ISSUE-44 -- 4.1.9. is obscure or too restrictive -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-44 -- 4.1.9. is obscure or too restrictive -- raised ←
15:24:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/44
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/44 ←
15:26:38 <JohnArwe> not seeing any link from the issue to SteveS's answer
John Arwe: not seeing any link from the issue to SteveS's answer ←
15:26:41 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:26:41 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
15:26:41 <SteveS> bblfish: thinks it should be in best practices doc and is confusing
Henry Story: thinks it should be in best practices doc and is confusing ←
15:27:14 <AndyS> Could someone add links to email in the issue?
Andy Seaborne: Could someone add links to email in the issue? ←
15:27:20 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
15:27:26 <AndyS> You can edit the issue.
Andy Seaborne: You can edit the issue. ←
15:27:30 <bblfish> q-
Henry Story: q- ←
15:27:56 <JohnArwe> ah - email discussion happened on wg list before issue was opened
John Arwe: ah - email discussion happened on wg list before issue was opened ←
15:27:56 <SteveS> MacTed: discussion might be lost if we don't have the thread, so should raise issue and then discussion
Ted Thibodeau: discussion might be lost if we don't have the thread, so should raise issue and then discussion ←
15:28:06 <bblfish> Ok, I should have done that.
Henry Story: Ok, I should have done that. ←
15:28:11 <SteveS> or better to have summary of discussion, with link to detailed thread
or better to have summary of discussion, with link to detailed thread ←
15:28:24 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:28:24 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:29:01 <SteveS> PROPOSAL: Move ISSUE-44 to open
PROPOSED: Move ISSUE-44 to open ←
15:29:04 <MacTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
15:29:05 <SteveS> +1
+1 ←
15:29:06 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
15:29:07 <bblfish> +1
Henry Story: +1 ←
15:29:08 <stevebattle> +1
Steve Battle: +1 ←
15:29:17 <JohnArwe> MacTed were you suggesting a process change for the future as well?
John Arwe: MacTed were you suggesting a process change for the future as well? ←
15:29:26 <SteveS> RESOLUTION: Open ISSUE-44
15:29:32 <SteveS> REOPEN ISSUE-44
15:29:32 <trackbot> Re-opened ISSUE-44 4.1.9. is obscure or too restrictive.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Re-opened ISSUE-44 4.1.9. is obscure or too restrictive. ←
15:29:35 <bblfish> Ok, next time I'll try to summarise it. I thought that this time the issue itself summarised my thread.
Henry Story: Ok, next time I'll try to summarise it. I thought that this time the issue itself summarised my thread. ←
15:29:52 <bblfish> Initially when I brought this up, I was confused about this paragraph.
Henry Story: Initially when I brought this up, I was confused about this paragraph. ←
15:29:54 <SteveS> subTopic: Issues pending review, ISSUE-5
15:29:59 <SteveS> ISSUE-5
15:29:59 <trackbot> ISSUE-5 -- Add a section explaining how LDBP is related to Graph Store Protocol -- pending review
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-5 -- Add a section explaining how LDBP is related to Graph Store Protocol -- pending review ←
15:29:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/5
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/5 ←
15:30:29 <SteveS> Arnaud: some discussion previously to move to this issue to postponed
Arnaud Le Hors: some discussion previously to move to this issue to postponed ←
15:30:32 <bblfish> +1 for postpone
Henry Story: +1 for postpone ←
15:30:47 <JohnArwe> ...e.g. raised issues could be discussed on the list using the tracker number so the links happen automagically, and if that discussion leads either to it not being opened or other actions, history is retained
John Arwe: ...e.g. raised issues could be discussed on the list using the tracker number so the links happen automagically, and if that discussion leads either to it not being opened or other actions, history is retained ←
15:31:18 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
15:32:10 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
15:32:57 <SteveS> bblfish: better to postpone to have some time to implement and get some more feedback on what should be said in LDP
Henry Story: better to postpone to have some time to implement and get some more feedback on what should be said in LDP ←
15:33:43 <SteveS> Arnaud: the SemWeb coordination call this came up as GSP and LDP
Arnaud Le Hors: the SemWeb coordination call this came up as GSP and LDP ←
15:34:18 <SteveS> …Ian said key will be from implementers if they can implement both from same server and no conflicts
…Ian said key will be from implementers if they can implement both from same server and no conflicts ←
15:34:23 <SteveS> PROPOSAL: Move ISSUE-5 to postponed
PROPOSED: Move ISSUE-5 to postponed ←
15:34:25 <bblfish> +1
Henry Story: +1 ←
15:34:26 <SteveS> +1
+1 ←
15:34:31 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
15:34:33 <krp> +1
Kevin Page: +1 ←
15:34:38 <nmihindu> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
15:34:46 <JohnArwe> do see value in helping consumers decide which spec(s) to implement and why so +1
John Arwe: do see value in helping consumers decide which spec(s) to implement and why so +1 ←
15:34:49 <MacTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
15:34:56 <roger> +1
Roger Menday: +1 ←
15:35:04 <SteveS> RESOLUTION: Postpone ISSUE-5
15:35:17 <SteveS> POSTPONE ISSUE-5
15:36:31 <SteveS> Topic: UC&R
15:36:50 <stevebattle> Thanks to SteveS for making the final corrections to UC&R
Steve Battle: Thanks to SteveS for making the final corrections to UC&R ←
15:37:18 <SteveS> SteveS: Committed changes to respect biblio references and berjon committed.
Steve Speicher: Committed changes to respect biblio references and berjon committed. ←
15:37:21 <Ruben> Zakim, mute me
Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, mute me ←
15:37:21 <Zakim> Ruben should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ruben should now be muted ←
15:37:47 <SteveS> waiting for web team to publish, everything is ready
waiting for web team to publish, everything is ready ←
15:38:02 <SteveS> Topic: Spec status
15:38:59 <bblfish> Issue-37?
15:38:59 <trackbot> ISSUE-37 -- What is the LDP data model and the LDP interaction model? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-37 -- What is the LDP data model and the LDP interaction model? -- open ←
15:38:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/37
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/37 ←
15:39:11 <SteveS> JohnArwe: has done some editing and updates in the spec
John Arwe: has done some editing and updates in the spec ←
15:39:32 <SteveS> SteveS: haven't made changes for issue 25 resolution
Steve Speicher: haven't made changes for ISSUE-25 resolution ←
15:40:27 <SteveS> Topic: ISSUE-37 wiki summary of LDP model
15:40:38 <bblfish> This is the wiki page: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/ISSUE-37
Henry Story: This is the wiki page: ISSUE-37">http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/ISSUE-37 ←
15:41:14 <SteveS> Arnaud: Erik has summarized with AtomPub model, SteveS has updated with LDP work
Arnaud Le Hors: Erik has summarized with AtomPub model, SteveS has updated with LDP work ←
15:41:54 <bblfish> Issue-34?
15:41:54 <trackbot> ISSUE-34 -- Adding and removing arcs in weak aggregation -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-34 -- Adding and removing arcs in weak aggregation -- open ←
15:41:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/34
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/34 ←
15:43:15 <SteveS> Arnaud: The new proposal for aggregation should be around ISSUE-34 or others that are appropriate
Arnaud Le Hors: The new proposal for aggregation should be around ISSUE-34 or others that are appropriate ←
15:43:16 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
15:43:39 <SteveS> q+
q+ ←
15:44:04 <SteveS> Arnaud: Is there understanding as this is the approach?
Arnaud Le Hors: Is there understanding as this is the approach? ←
15:44:15 <bblfish> q-
Henry Story: q- ←
15:45:36 <SteveS> bblfish: thinks it will be helpful to map it to common concepts like filesystems, which may help people understand the model
Henry Story: thinks it will be helpful to map it to common concepts like filesystems, which may help people understand the model ←
15:46:30 <roger> +q
Roger Menday: +q ←
15:46:46 <SteveS> Arnaud: Erik used the AtomPub to help describe, expectation that others could contribute their views onto the wiki
Arnaud Le Hors: Erik used the AtomPub to help describe, expectation that others could contribute their views onto the wiki ←
15:46:52 <Arnaud> ack steves
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves ←
15:47:51 <Arnaud> ack roger
Arnaud Le Hors: ack roger ←
15:48:10 <SteveS> q+
q+ ←
15:48:14 <JohnArwe> q+ we talk a lot with issue 37 about "the model" ... is there only one, once we get into the analogies?
John Arwe: q+ we talk a lot with ISSUE-37 about "the model" ... is there only one, once we get into the analogies? ←
15:48:33 <JohnArwe> q+ to ask we talk a lot with issue 37 about "the model" ... is there only one, once we get into the analogies?
John Arwe: q+ to ask we talk a lot with ISSUE-37 about "the model" ... is there only one, once we get into the analogies? ←
15:49:07 <Arnaud> ack steves
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves ←
15:49:38 <bblfish> I'll try to add a file system model as a point of comparison to see how it differs from the other two.
Henry Story: I'll try to add a file system model as a point of comparison to see how it differs from the other two. ←
15:50:16 <bblfish> who is it?
Henry Story: who is it? ←
15:50:29 <stevebattle> Roger
Steve Battle: Roger ←
15:50:32 <JohnArwe> roger is speaking, if that's your question henry
John Arwe: roger is speaking, if that's your question henry ←
15:50:36 <bblfish> thnx
Henry Story: thnx ←
15:50:45 <bblfish> ( that's why the queue is useful )
Henry Story: ( that's why the queue is useful ) ←
15:51:20 <SteveS> SteveS: thinks we should set a timeframe for review and get feedback, like Henry's proposal and Ashok's questions/feedback
Steve Speicher: thinks we should set a timeframe for review and get feedback, like Henry's proposal and Ashok's questions/feedback ←
15:51:46 <SteveS> roger: thinks we need a way like the wiki page to present alternative models, that have useful features
Roger Menday: thinks we need a way like the wiki page to present alternative models, that have useful features ←
15:51:49 <Arnaud> ack John
Arnaud Le Hors: ack John ←
15:51:49 <Zakim> JohnArwe, you wanted to ask we talk a lot with issue 37 about "the model" ... is there only one, once we get into the analogies?
Zakim IRC Bot: JohnArwe, you wanted to ask we talk a lot with ISSUE-37 about "the model" ... is there only one, once we get into the analogies? ←
15:52:58 <SteveS> SteveS: we have a model in LDP, the issue 37 is about just documenting it and framing any possible gaps, we still use issue tracking to get resolution of model changes
Steve Speicher: we have a model in LDP, the ISSUE-37 is about just documenting it and framing any possible gaps, we still use issue tracking to get resolution of model changes ←
15:53:41 <bblfish> +1
Henry Story: +1 ←
15:54:00 <SteveS> JohnArwe: we are using the issue 37 page to help compare for completeness and good examples, we already have some placeholders for other issues (new or proposal)
John Arwe: we are using the ISSUE-37 page to help compare for completeness and good examples, we already have some placeholders for other issues (new or proposal) ←
15:54:11 <JohnArwe> q?
15:54:59 <SteveS> Arnaud: we need to review the feedback, like Ashok's, and ask if it can be allowed in the spec or not
Arnaud Le Hors: we need to review the feedback, like Ashok's, and ask if it can be allowed in the spec or not ←
15:55:42 <SteveS> JohnArwe: there isn't a binary choice on some of the questions, like it could be allows, explicitly forbidden, allowed in cases, or other cases
John Arwe: there isn't a binary choice on some of the questions, like it could be allows, explicitly forbidden, allowed in cases, or other cases ←
15:56:17 <Zakim> -bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish ←
15:56:33 <SteveS> JohnArwe: hard to know when we intentionally are silent
John Arwe: hard to know when we intentionally are silent ←
15:57:15 <MacTed> apologies, all; I have a hard stop at 11 today.
Ted Thibodeau: apologies, all; I have a hard stop at 11 today. ←
15:57:21 <Zakim> -MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←
15:57:27 <Zakim> +bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish ←
15:57:48 <SteveS> Arnaud: what did you (JohnArwe) mean by alternatives in the issue 37 wiki page?
Arnaud Le Hors: what did you (JohnArwe) mean by alternatives in the ISSUE-37 wiki page? ←
15:58:12 <sandro> sandro: the model is also important as a metaphor, which helps people understand it, and it gives people ideas/expectations about how it's going to work. the filesystem is at this point a metaphor based on a metaphor.
Sandro Hawke: the model is also important as a metaphor, which helps people understand it, and it gives people ideas/expectations about how it's going to work. the filesystem is at this point a metaphor based on a metaphor. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:58:28 <SteveS> JohnArwe: mostly just alternative ways to describe it and how it could be done/used
John Arwe: mostly just alternative ways to describe it and how it could be done/used ←
15:59:14 <bblfish> +1
Henry Story: +1 ←
15:59:25 <SteveS> Arnaud: progrèss on ISSUE-37, SteveS proposed give people some time to review
Arnaud Le Hors: progrèss on ISSUE-37, SteveS proposed give people some time to review ←
15:59:29 <bblfish> 1q+
Henry Story: 1q+ ←
15:59:31 <bblfish> 1+
Henry Story: 1+ ←
15:59:32 <SteveS> by Jan 21?
by Jan 21? ←
15:59:33 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
16:00:00 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
16:00:17 <SteveS> 21st is MLKjr day, some have off
21st is MLKjr day, some have off ←
16:00:25 <stevebattle> We should also add comparison criteria
Steve Battle: We should also add comparison criteria ←
16:00:36 <Zakim> -nmihindu
Zakim IRC Bot: -nmihindu ←
16:00:43 <SteveS> bblfish: plans to have new addition filesystem by next meeting
Henry Story: plans to have new addition filesystem by next meeting ←
16:00:48 <stevebattle> (as per ericP's coments last week)
Steve Battle: (as per ericP's comments last week) ←
16:01:06 <stevebattle> s/coments/comments/
16:01:35 <SteveS> Arnaud have review by 28th
Arnaud have review by 28th ←
16:01:40 <SteveS> meeting is closed
meeting is closed ←
16:01:41 <stevebattle> bye
Steve Battle: bye ←
16:01:47 <Zakim> -cygri
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16:01:48 <Zakim> -SteveS
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16:01:54 <Zakim> -bblfish
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16:01:58 <Zakim> -Sandro
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16:01:59 <Zakim> -roger
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16:02:01 <Zakim> -ericP
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16:02:01 <Zakim> -JohnArwe
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16:02:02 <Zakim> -SteveBattle
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16:02:02 <Zakim> -Arnaud
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16:02:08 <Zakim> -AndyS
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16:02:11 <Zakim> -krp
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16:02:25 <Zakim> -Ruben
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16:02:26 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended ←
16:02:26 <Zakim> Attendees were SteveBattle, Ruben, bblfish, Arnaud, MacTed, SteveS, Sandro, JohnArwe, +44.208.573.aaaa, roger, krp, AndyS, cygri, nmihindu, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were SteveBattle, Ruben, bblfish, Arnaud, MacTed, SteveS, Sandro, JohnArwe, +44.208.573.aaaa, roger, krp, AndyS, cygri, nmihindu, ericP ←
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