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14:56:00 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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14:56:00 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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14:56:01 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:56:01 <trackbot> Date: 07 January 2013
14:59:22 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started
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14:59:29 <Zakim> +??P0
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14:59:32 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
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14:59:35 <deiu> Zakim, ??P0 is me
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14:59:35 <Zakim> +deiu; got it
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14:59:46 <Zakim> +Sandro
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14:59:51 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
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14:59:51 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
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14:59:53 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
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14:59:53 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
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14:59:55 <deiu> Zakim, mute me please
Andrei Sambra: Zakim, mute me please ←
14:59:55 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted
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15:00:02 <Zakim> +[IBM]
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15:00:08 <Zakim> +Arnaud
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15:00:13 <SteveS> zakim, [IBM] is me
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15:00:14 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
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15:01:15 <MacTed> MacTed has changed the topic to: Linked Data Platform WG - http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/ - Today's agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.01.07
Ted Thibodeau: MacTed has changed the topic to: Linked Data Platform WG - http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/ - Today's agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.01.07 ←
15:01:24 <Zakim> +SteveBattle
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15:01:37 <Ruben> Zakim, aaaa is me
Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, aaaa is me ←
15:01:37 <Zakim> +Ruben; got it
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15:01:38 <Zakim> +??P10
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15:01:44 <Zakim> +??P11
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15:01:49 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P10 is me
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15:01:49 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it
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15:01:52 <Ashok_Malhotra> zakim, code?
Ashok Malhotra: zakim, code? ←
15:01:52 <Zakim> the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Ashok_Malhotra
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15:02:26 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
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15:02:35 <Zakim> +JohnArwe
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15:02:43 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P11 is me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P11 is me ←
15:02:43 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
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15:03:03 <Zakim> +bblfish
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15:03:11 <bblfish> hi
Henry Story: hi ←
15:03:14 <Arnaud> zakim, who's here?
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's here? ←
15:03:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see bblfish, deiu (muted), MacTed (muted), Sandro, SteveS, Arnaud, SteveBattle, Ruben, BartvanLeeuwen, nmihindu, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bblfish, deiu (muted), MacTed (muted), Sandro, SteveS, Arnaud, SteveBattle, Ruben, BartvanLeeuwen, nmihindu, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe ←
15:03:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see JohnArwe, Ashok_Malhotra, BartvanLeeuwen, Ruben, nmihindu, Zakim, RRSAgent, Arnaud, bhyland, MacTed, SteveS, AndyS, betehess, stevebattle, oberger, deiu, Yves, trackbot,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see JohnArwe, Ashok_Malhotra, BartvanLeeuwen, Ruben, nmihindu, Zakim, RRSAgent, Arnaud, bhyland, MacTed, SteveS, AndyS, betehess, stevebattle, oberger, deiu, Yves, trackbot, ←
15:03:17 <Zakim> ... bblfish, gavinc, sandro, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: ... bblfish, gavinc, sandro, ericP ←
15:04:04 <Zakim> +Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: +Yves ←
15:04:27 <bblfish> happy new 2013
Henry Story: happy new 2013 ←
15:04:49 <Arnaud> zakim, pick a victim
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, pick a victim ←
15:04:49 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose bblfish ←
15:05:23 <Arnaud> zakim, pick a victim
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, pick a victim ←
15:05:23 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ruben
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ruben ←
15:05:30 <Zakim> +??P25
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25 ←
15:05:56 <krp> zakim, ??P25 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P25 is me ←
15:05:56 <Zakim> +krp; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←
15:06:14 <Zakim> +EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP ←
15:06:57 <Ruben> topic: Minutes of last meeting
15:07:15 <SteveS> +1 accepted Dec 17th minutes
Steve Speicher: +1 accepted Dec 17th minutes ←
15:07:18 <Ruben> +1
Ruben Verborgh: +1 ←
15:07:20 <deiu> +1
Andrei Sambra: +1 ←
15:07:20 <stevebattle> +1
Steve Battle: +1 ←
15:07:32 <bblfish> minutes of http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-12-17
Henry Story: minutes of http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-12-17 ←
15:07:35 <nmihindu> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
15:08:02 <Ruben> resolved: Minutes of previous meeting accepted
RESOLVED: Minutes of previous meeting accepted ←
15:08:33 <Ruben> topic: Next F2F
15:08:40 <Ruben> arnaud: Boston is proposed
Arnaud Le Hors: Boston is proposed [ Scribe Assist by Ruben Verborgh ] ←
15:08:44 <Ruben> proposal: make this official
PROPOSED: make this official ←
15:09:12 <Ruben> scribe: Ruben
(Scribe set to Ruben Verborgh)
15:09:13 <Ashok_Malhotra> March 13-15 at MIT
Ashok Malhotra: March 13-15 at MIT ←
15:09:14 <deiu> Proposal for next face to face to be held at MIT in Boston 2013-03-13 to 2013-03-15 (3 days).
Andrei Sambra: Proposal for next face to face to be held at MIT in Boston 2013-03-13 to 2013-03-15 (3 days). ←
15:09:15 <JohnArwe> March 13-15
15:09:41 <SteveS> +1 to freezing in Boston
Steve Speicher: +1 to freezing in Boston ←
15:09:41 <Ruben> Erik to provide logistics
Erik to provide logistics ←
15:10:08 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2011/09/LinkedData/#venue
Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/2011/09/LinkedData/#venue ←
15:11:51 <Ruben> Sandro already reserved a room for this.
Sandro already reserved a room for this. ←
15:13:09 <sandro> ericP, I just confirmed, yes I reserved G882.
Sandro Hawke: ericP, I just confirmed, yes I reserved G882. ←
<Ruben> resolved: next face to face to be held at MIT in Boston 2013-03-13 to 2013-03-15 (3 days).
RESOLVED: next face to face to be held at MIT in Boston 2013-03-13 to 2013-03-15 (3 days). ←
15:12:28 <Ruben> Topic: Actions and issues
15:12:58 <Ruben> No victory declared on open actions.
No victory declared on open actions. ←
15:13:37 <Ruben> Arnaud: We left Issue-5 open on purpose, as discussed last time.
Arnaud Le Hors: We left ISSUE-5 open on purpose, as discussed last time. ←
15:13:52 <Ruben> Who is speaking?
Who is speaking? ←
15:14:00 <stevebattle> Issue-41 was waiting for the OK from John Arew
Steve Battle: ISSUE-41 was waiting for the OK from John Arwe ←
15:14:11 <stevebattle> s/Arew/Arwe
15:14:34 <sandro> ericP, we also have 262 reserved. Are we teleconferencing or not?
Sandro Hawke: ericP, we also have 262 reserved. Are we teleconferencing or not? ←
15:14:47 <Ruben> Proposal: changing 5 from pending to postponed
PROPOSED: changing 5 from pending to postponed ←
15:15:28 <deiu> issue-41?
15:15:28 <trackbot> ISSUE-41 -- Standard way to manage members with attachments -- pending review
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-41 -- Standard way to manage members with attachments -- pending review ←
15:15:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/41
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/41 ←
15:15:28 <Ruben> Arnaud: is this issue a duplicate?
Arnaud Le Hors: is this issue a duplicate? ←
15:15:55 <Zakim> -krp
Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←
15:15:57 <stevebattle> We also added text in UC&R 4.8.2 to cover this
Steve Battle: We also added text in UC&R 4.8.2 to cover this ←
15:16:09 <stevebattle> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/ldp-ucr.html#alternative-scenario-media-resource-attachments
Steve Battle: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/ldp-ucr.html#alternative-scenario-media-resource-attachments ←
15:16:23 <Zakim> +??P25
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25 ←
15:16:30 <krp> zakim, ??P25 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P25 is me ←
15:16:30 <Zakim> +krp; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←
15:16:38 <Ruben> JohnArwe: fine to close the issue
John Arwe: fine to close the issue ←
15:16:43 <Ruben> Arnaud: let's do that
Arnaud Le Hors: let's do that ←
15:17:06 <Ruben> all: No objections to closing this issue.
all: No objections to closing this issue. ←
15:17:34 <Ruben> Resolved: close issue 41
15:17:40 <JohnArwe> close issue-41
15:17:40 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-41 Standard way to manage members with attachments.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-41 Standard way to manage members with attachments. ←
15:17:56 <stevebattle> raised issues?
Steve Battle: raised issues? ←
15:17:59 <trackbot> Sorry, JohnArwe, I don't understand 'trackbot wants dashes'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, JohnArwe, I don't understand 'trackbot wants dashes'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help. ←
<Ruben> topic: UC&R publication
15:18:16 <stevebattle> q+
Steve Battle: q+ ←
15:18:36 <Arnaud> ack steve
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steve ←
15:18:40 <Ruben> stevebattle: we've got 8 bad references, just need to get document in shape
Steve Battle: we've got 8 bad references, just need to get document in shape ←
15:18:58 <Ruben> SteveS: the bad references – a patch has been submitted
Steve Speicher: the bad references – a patch has been submitted ←
15:19:13 <Zakim> -krp
Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←
15:19:33 <Zakim> +??P25
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25 ←
15:19:35 <krp> zakim, ??P25 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P25 is me ←
15:19:35 <Zakim> +krp; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←
15:20:50 <stevebattle> Arnause - we didn't cover raised issues.
Steve Battle: Arnaud - we didn't cover raised issues. ←
15:20:56 <Ruben> topic: LDP specification
15:21:05 <stevebattle> s/Arnause/Arnaud/
15:21:08 <Zakim> -krp
Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←
15:21:22 <Ruben> JohnArwe: made some minor fixes
John Arwe: made some minor fixes ←
15:21:30 <Zakim> +??P25
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25 ←
15:22:11 <Ruben> topic: Discussing issues
15:22:32 <Ruben> Arnaud: ongoing discussion on aggregation versus composition
Arnaud Le Hors: ongoing discussion on aggregation versus composition ←
15:22:36 <Ruben> Arnaud: should we have aggregation?
Arnaud Le Hors: should we have aggregation? ←
15:22:49 <Ruben> Arnaud: several proposals were sent to mailing list
Arnaud Le Hors: several proposals were sent to mailing list ←
15:23:23 <ericP> q+ to ask if the only distinction between aggregation and composition is whether resources are deleted when their containers are deleted
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to ask if the only distinction between aggregation and composition is whether resources are deleted when their containers are deleted ←
15:23:40 <Ruben> Arnaud: how many proposals do we want to consider?
Arnaud Le Hors: how many proposals do we want to consider? ←
15:23:46 <Arnaud> ack ericp
Arnaud Le Hors: ack ericp ←
15:23:46 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to ask if the only distinction between aggregation and composition is whether resources are deleted when their containers are deleted
Zakim IRC Bot: erikP, you wanted to ask if the only distinction between aggregation and composition is whether resources are deleted when their containers are deleted ←
15:23:48 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
15:23:51 <JohnArwe> Note that we do have a new RAISED issue, 42 about section 4.8 and its prescriptiveness
John Arwe: Note that we do have a new RAISED issue, 42 about section 4.8 and its prescriptiveness ←
15:24:03 <SteveS> q+ to answer that question
Steve Speicher: q+ to answer that question ←
15:24:17 <Ruben> arnaud: without a proposal, it's hard to say deleting is only difference
Arnaud Le Hors: without a proposal, it's hard to say deleting is only difference ←
15:24:57 <bblfish> My simple proposals http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012Dec/0113.html
Henry Story: My simple proposals http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012Dec/0113.html ←
15:25:13 <SteveS> Composition: 1) resource only "lives" in one container 2) when container is deleted, so its contents 3) may (or may not) be able to move resources between containers
Steve Speicher: Composition: 1) resource only "lives" in one container 2) when container is deleted, so its contents 3) may (or may not) be able to move resources between containers ←
15:25:27 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
15:26:05 <Ruben> bblfish: suggest simple proposals
Henry Story: suggest simple proposals ←
15:26:10 <Ruben> bblfish: only create with container
Henry Story: only create with container ←
15:26:25 <Ruben> bblfish: to create anything else, just create document, do updates with PUT
Henry Story: to create anything else, just create document, do updates with PUT ←
15:26:32 <Ruben> bblfish: PATCH is just optimization
Henry Story: PATCH is just optimization ←
15:27:27 <Ruben> bblfish: to delete a link, just change the document
Henry Story: to delete a link, just change the document ←
15:27:28 <Arnaud> ack steves
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves ←
15:27:28 <Zakim> SteveS, you wanted to answer that question
Zakim IRC Bot: SteveS, you wanted to answer that question ←
15:27:38 <Zakim> -??P25
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P25 ←
15:27:44 <Ruben> SteveS: difference is that a resource is a member of one container
Steve Speicher: difference is that a resource is a member of one container ←
15:28:01 <Zakim> +??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6 ←
15:28:09 <Ruben> SteveS: what's open, is ability to relocated from one container to another
Steve Speicher: what's open, is ability to relocated from one container to another ←
15:28:09 <krp> zakim, ??P6 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P6 is me ←
15:28:09 <Zakim> +krp; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←
15:29:05 <Ruben> SteveS: comment on Henri's proposal – if the URL you're posting to is a container, or an endpoint that can handle container or resource creation?
Steve Speicher: comment on Henri's proposal – is the URL you're posting to is a container, or an endpoint that can handle container or resource creation? ←
15:29:13 <stevebattle> q+
Steve Battle: q+ ←
15:29:14 <Ruben> s/if/is/
15:29:38 <Ruben> bblfish: you can create "containees"
Henry Story: you can create "containees" ←
15:30:02 <Ruben> bblfish: to create an aggregation, you POST a document containing the information about what the elements of the container you want to create are
Henry Story: to create an aggregation, you POST a document containing the information about what the elements of the container you want to create are ←
15:30:27 <Ruben> bblfish: such a document is editable
Henry Story: such a document is editable ←
15:31:03 <Ruben> bblfish: does that make sense?
Henry Story: does that make sense? ←
15:31:06 <Ruben> SteveS: mostly
Steve Speicher: mostly ←
15:31:55 <Arnaud> ack steveb
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steveb ←
15:31:57 <Ruben> bblfish: let's discuss on mailing list
Henry Story: let's discuss on mailing list ←
15:32:16 <Ruben> steveb: I like Henri's example outline, but have some questions
Steve Battle: I like Henri's example outline, but have some questions ←
15:32:22 <Ruben> steveb: why weak container and not LDP container?
Steve Battle: why weak container and not LDP container? ←
15:32:38 <Ruben> steveb: why a fragment ID… ?
Steve Battle: why a fragment ID… ? ←
15:33:54 <stevebattle> stevebattle: I like the use of a :contains property for describing composition
Steve Battle: I like the use of a :contains property for describing composition [ Scribe Assist by Steve Battle ] ←
15:34:48 <Ruben> bblfish: you can't do a POST to create another element
Henry Story: you can't do a POST to create another element ←
15:35:12 <Ruben> bblfish: fragement IDs: you're not dealing with a resource, helps to make distinction
Henry Story: fragment IDs: you're not dealing with a resource, helps to make distinction ←
15:35:18 <Ruben> s/fragement/fragment
15:36:10 <Zakim> -krp
Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←
15:36:15 <stevebattle> ok I misunderstood, I thought this could be used to create resources using POST
Steve Battle: ok I misunderstood, I thought this could be used to create resources using POST ←
15:36:23 <Zakim> +??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6 ←
15:36:26 <krp> zakim, ??P6 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P6 is me ←
15:36:26 <Zakim> +krp; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←
15:36:53 <Ruben> arnaud: how many proposals do we really have?
Arnaud Le Hors: how many proposals do we really have? ←
15:36:55 <JohnArwe> I [also] thought Henry's proposal could be used to create resources using POST
John Arwe: I [also] thought Henry's proposal could be used to create resources using POST ←
15:37:08 <JohnArwe> ...but that's why I ask questions ;-)
John Arwe: ...but that's why I ask questions ;-) ←
15:37:10 <Ruben> Arnaud: can we group them together?
Arnaud Le Hors: can we group them together? ←
15:37:21 <bblfish> what was the URL for that proposal?
Henry Story: what was the URL for that proposal? ←
15:37:37 <Ruben> Arnaud: we should make progress towards one proposal for addition to the spec
Arnaud Le Hors: we should make progress towards one proposal for addition to the spec ←
15:37:39 <SteveS> I propose we open an issue for week aggregation, then hook these proposals off of that
Steve Speicher: I propose we open an issue for week aggregation, then hook these proposals off of that ←
15:37:51 <bblfish> was it this one http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012Dec/0073.html
Henry Story: was it this one http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012Dec/0073.html ←
15:37:52 <bblfish> ?
Henry Story: ? ←
15:38:09 <JohnArwe> steve speich speaking
John Arwe: steve speicher speaking ←
15:38:11 <Ruben> SteveS: we need an open issue
Steve Speicher: we need an open issue ←
15:38:16 <JohnArwe> s/speich/speicher/
15:38:20 <ericP> is it worth dividing this into facets (creates resources, accepts external resources, must|may|mustn't deleted all|created resources)
Eric Prud'hommeaux: is it worth dividing this into facets (creates resources, accepts external resources, must|may|mustn't deleted all|created resources) ←
15:38:27 <stevebattle> I was talking about composition???
Steve Battle: I was talking about composition??? ←
15:38:35 <Ruben> Arnaud: can we reuse an issue for this?
Arnaud Le Hors: can we reuse an issue for this? ←
15:38:47 <ericP> and then characterize the proposals according to those facets
Eric Prud'hommeaux: and then characterize the proposals according to those facets ←
15:39:00 <JohnArwe> issues 34 and 37 appear related
John Arwe: issues 34 and 37 appear related ←
15:39:10 <bblfish> q?
Henry Story: q? ←
15:39:13 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
15:39:14 <Ruben> Arnaud: Eric started a wiki page for proposal
Arnaud Le Hors: Erik started a wiki page for proposal ←
15:39:26 <Arnaud> s/eric/erik/
15:39:29 <JohnArwe> s/Eric/Erik/
15:39:37 <stevebattle> q+
Steve Battle: q+ ←
15:39:40 <bblfish> q-
Henry Story: q- ←
15:39:47 <Ashok_Malhotra> +1 to creating facets and use then to evaluate proposals
Ashok Malhotra: +1 to creating facets and use then to evaluate proposals ←
15:39:47 <SteveS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012Dec/0118.html
Steve Speicher: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012Dec/0118.html ←
15:39:50 <bblfish> thanks
Henry Story: thanks ←
15:39:57 <Arnaud> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/ISSUE-37
Arnaud Le Hors: ISSUE-37">http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/ISSUE-37 ←
15:40:10 <stevebattle> q-
Steve Battle: q- ←
15:40:30 <Ruben> issue-37?
15:40:30 <trackbot> ISSUE-37 -- What is the LDP data model and the LDP interaction model? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-37 -- What is the LDP data model and the LDP interaction model? -- open ←
15:40:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/37
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/37 ←
15:41:48 <bblfish> issue-34?
15:41:48 <trackbot> ISSUE-34 -- Adding and removing arcs in weak aggregation -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-34 -- Adding and removing arcs in weak aggregation -- open ←
15:41:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/34
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/34 ←
15:41:49 <MacTed> it's safe to create a new issue, even if there's overlap -- make note of potential overlap in writeup of new issue!
Ted Thibodeau: it's safe to create a new issue, even if there's overlap -- make note of potential overlap in writeup of new issue! ←
15:42:06 <MacTed> if today's can be worded clearly, just create it
Ted Thibodeau: if today's can be worded clearly, just create it ←
15:42:14 <Ruben> Arnaud: do we need another wiki page for aggregation proposal?
Arnaud Le Hors: do we need another wiki page for aggregation proposal? ←
15:42:14 <ericP> q+
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ ←
15:42:35 <Ruben> Arnaud: or do we use the mailing list (which seems a challenge)?
Arnaud Le Hors: or do we use the mailing list (which seems a challenge)? ←
15:43:23 <SteveS> q+
Steve Speicher: q+ ←
15:43:46 <bblfish> I suppose I forgot to add the ISSUE-34 into the mail I sent
Henry Story: I suppose I forgot to add the ISSUE-34 into the mail I sent ←
15:44:05 <JohnArwe> wrt issue 34, not too late, just add in the next reply
John Arwe: wrt ISSUE-34, not too late, just add in the next reply ←
15:44:36 <JohnArwe> wrt your proposal henry, do you want to own yours or do you want me to take a first stab at it?
John Arwe: wrt your proposal henry, do you want to own yours or do you want me to take a first stab at it? ←
15:45:17 <bblfish> If you want to put it together, then I can see if I was able to explain myself clearly JohnArwe :-)
Henry Story: If you want to put it together, then I can see if I was able to explain myself clearly JohnArwe :-) ←
15:45:33 <SteveS> I was wondering by we needed a wiki page to track the email threads, instead of just adding emails to the issue
Steve Speicher: I was wondering by we needed a wiki page to track the email threads, instead of just adding emails to the issue ←
15:45:46 <JohnArwe> sure - post that next set of answers we spoke of earlier on this call Henry, and I'll try to start from there.
John Arwe: sure - post that next set of answers we spoke of earlier on this call Henry, and I'll try to start from there. ←
15:45:48 <Ruben> arnaud: I agree, there's a little overlap with the LDP model
Arnaud Le Hors: I agree, there's a little overlap with the LDP model ←
15:45:50 <SteveS> but a wiki table would be good like ericP discusses
Steve Speicher: but a wiki table would be good like ericP discusses ←
15:45:51 <ericP> ack me
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ack me ←
15:46:16 <Ruben> Arnaud: if John's willing to do the effort of wikifying, that's great
Arnaud Le Hors: if John's willing to do the effort of wikifying, that's great ←
15:46:22 <Arnaud> ack steves
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves ←
15:46:36 <JohnArwe> I agree that the questions will themselves inform the set of facets in EricP's table that we end up with
John Arwe: I agree that the questions will themselves inform the set of facets in EricP's table that we end up with ←
15:46:45 <Zakim> -krp
Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←
15:46:48 <bblfish> JohnArwe: but just ping me when you have something basic going. Then I'll check up on it.
John Arwe: but just ping me when you have something basic going. Then I'll check up on it. [ Scribe Assist by Henry Story ] ←
15:46:52 <Ruben> SteveS: to track proposals on 34, it's valuable to have one proposal to iterate on
Steve Speicher: to track proposals on 34, it's valuable to have one proposal to iterate on ←
15:46:58 <Zakim> +??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6 ←
15:47:02 <krp> zakim, ??P6 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P6 is me ←
15:47:02 <Zakim> +krp; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←
15:47:21 <Ruben> Arnaud: on the issue, shall we link to the wiki page?
Arnaud Le Hors: on the issue, shall we link to the wiki page? ←
15:47:32 <Ruben> SteveS: someone's got to update the wiki
Steve Speicher: someone's got to update the wiki ←
15:47:38 <Ruben> Arnaud: JohnArwe will do that
Arnaud Le Hors: JohnArwe will do that ←
15:48:37 <Ruben> Arnaud: we still should tag issue numbers on mails
Arnaud Le Hors: we still should tag issue numbers on mails ←
15:48:49 <bblfish> you can also put a link into the Issue page with a link to the wiki
Henry Story: you can also put a link into the Issue page with a link to the wiki ←
15:48:54 <Zakim> -krp
Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←
15:49:07 <Zakim> +??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6 ←
15:49:32 <Ruben> putting the issue number anywhere in the mail should work
putting the issue number anywhere in the mail should work ←
15:51:18 <JohnArwe> action: john to create wiki page for issue-34 proposals
ACTION: john to create wiki page for ISSUE-34 proposals ←
15:51:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-35 - Create wiki page for issue-34 proposals [on John Arwe - due 2013-01-14].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-35 - Create wiki page for ISSUE-34 proposals [on John Arwe - due 2013-01-14]. ←
15:52:09 <Ruben> arnaud: anything else?
Arnaud Le Hors: anything else? ←
15:52:22 <Ruben> subtopic: Issue 42
15:52:26 <Ruben> issue-42?
15:52:26 <trackbot> ISSUE-42 -- Use of common-properties should not be overly prescriptive in section 4.8 -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-42 -- Use of common-properties should not be overly prescriptive in section 4.8 -- raised ←
15:52:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/42
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/42 ←
15:52:30 <JohnArwe> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/raised
John Arwe: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/raised ←
15:52:54 <stevebattle> q+
Steve Battle: q+ ←
15:53:04 <Arnaud> ack steveb
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steveb ←
15:53:29 <Ruben> stevebattle: I was reviewing the spec and noticed in 4.8 it defines a number of properties, and says that you must use them when you can
Steve Battle: I was reviewing the spec and noticed in 4.8 it defines a number of properties, and says that you must use them when you can ←
15:53:57 <Ruben> stevebattle: 4.8 seems to be over-prescriptive: it may not be appropriate to use these properties in some cases
Steve Battle: 4.8 seems to be over-prescriptive: it may not be appropriate to use these properties in some cases ←
15:54:22 <Ruben> arnaud: somebody on the public list said it's more best practice
Arnaud Le Hors: Leigh Dodds on the public list said it's rather best practice ←
15:54:31 <Ruben> s/more/rather/
15:54:47 <stevebattle> s/somebody/Leigh Dodds/
<Ruben> arnaud: I think it's similar to the datatypes
Arnaud Le Hors: I think it's similar to the datatypes ←
15:55:06 <Ruben> arnaud: eventually, we agreed to remove them, because there would be a separate best practices document
Arnaud Le Hors: eventually, we agreed to remove them, because there would be a separate best practices document ←
15:55:31 <Ruben> arnaud: we should open this. any comments?
Arnaud Le Hors: we should open this. any comments? ←
15:55:32 <SteveS> no comments
Steve Speicher: no comments ←
15:55:35 <stevebattle> +1
Steve Battle: +1 ←
15:55:36 <Ruben> proposal: open issue-42
15:55:48 <SteveS> +1 to open
Steve Speicher: +1 to open ←
15:55:51 <MacTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
15:55:52 <deiu> +1
Andrei Sambra: +1 ←
15:55:54 <bblfish> +1
Henry Story: +1 ←
15:55:59 <nmihindu> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
15:56:05 <Ruben> resolved: open issue-42
15:56:19 <bblfish> what was the question?
Henry Story: what was the question? ←
15:56:44 <stevebattle> +1
Steve Battle: +1 ←
15:56:48 <Yves> issue42?
15:56:49 <Ruben> arnaud: …and let's close it directly, too.
Arnaud Le Hors: …and let's close it directly, too. ←
15:56:54 <stevebattle> +1
Steve Battle: +1 ←
15:56:54 <Ruben> issue-42?
15:56:54 <trackbot> ISSUE-42 -- Use of common-properties should not be overly prescriptive in section 4.8 -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-42 -- Use of common-properties should not be overly prescriptive in section 4.8 -- raised ←
15:56:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/42
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/42 ←
15:57:00 <SteveS> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Deployment_Guide
Steve Speicher: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Deployment_Guide ←
15:57:27 <Arnaud> proposal: remove section 4.8 from the ldp spec and move it to the deployment guide - it is a best practice
PROPOSED: remove section 4.8 from the ldp spec and move it to the deployment guide - it is a best practice ←
15:57:34 <bblfish> +1
Henry Story: +1 ←
15:57:35 <stevebattle> +1 already
Steve Battle: +1 already ←
15:57:36 <Ruben> +1
+1 ←
15:57:47 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
15:57:51 <Zakim> -??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P6 ←
15:57:57 <deiu> +1
Andrei Sambra: +1 ←
15:57:59 <MacTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
15:58:09 <Zakim> +??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6 ←
15:58:27 <nmihindu> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
15:58:29 <krp> zakim, ??P6 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P6 is me ←
15:58:29 <Zakim> +krp; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←
15:58:32 <krp> +1
Kevin Page: +1 ←
15:58:35 <Ashok_Malhotra> +1
Ashok Malhotra: +1 ←
15:58:39 <JohnArwe> +1
15:58:53 <Ruben> resolved
resolved ←
15:58:58 <stevebattle> It's a record!
Steve Battle: It's a record! ←
15:59:07 <bblfish> RESOLVED: close issue-42, remove section 4.8 from the ldp spec and move it to the deployment guide - it is a best practice
RESOLVED: close ISSUE-42, remove section 4.8 from the ldp spec and move it to the deployment guide - it is a best practice ←
15:59:27 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra ←
15:59:34 <Ruben> arnaud: the editor now has a pending action to remove 4.8
Arnaud Le Hors: the editor now has a pending action to remove 4.8 ←
16:00:11 <Ruben> SteveS: Robin merged changed UC&R, just one left
Steve Speicher: Robin merged changed UC&R, just one left ←
16:00:35 <Zakim> -MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←
16:00:38 <Zakim> -bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish ←
16:00:40 <Zakim> -SteveS
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS ←
16:00:42 <Zakim> -Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: -Yves ←
16:00:42 <Zakim> -Ruben
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ruben ←
16:00:44 <Zakim> -SteveBattle
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveBattle ←
16:00:44 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
16:00:46 <Zakim> -EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP ←
16:00:48 <Zakim> -deiu
Zakim IRC Bot: -deiu ←
16:00:50 <Zakim> -JohnArwe
Zakim IRC Bot: -JohnArwe ←
16:00:53 <Zakim> -krp
Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←
16:01:35 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen
Zakim IRC Bot: -BartvanLeeuwen ←
16:01:46 <Zakim> -nmihindu
Zakim IRC Bot: -nmihindu ←
16:01:47 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended ←
16:01:47 <Zakim> Attendees were deiu, Sandro, MacTed, Arnaud, SteveS, SteveBattle, +329331aaaa, Ruben, BartvanLeeuwen, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, nmihindu, bblfish, Yves, krp, EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were deiu, Sandro, MacTed, Arnaud, SteveS, SteveBattle, +329331aaaa, Ruben, BartvanLeeuwen, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, nmihindu, bblfish, Yves, krp, EricP ←
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