Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 17 December 2012

Seen
Andrei Sambra, Andy Seaborne, Antonis Loizou, Arnaud Le Hors, Ashok Malhotra, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Henry Story, Kalpa Gunaratna, Kevin Page, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Raúl García Castro, Roger Menday, Ruben Verborgh, Steve Battle, Steve Speicher, Ted Thibodeau, Yves Lafon
Scribe
Ted Thibodeau
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. approve minutes of 2012-12-10 link
  2. publish current UCR draft as First Public Working Draft, http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/ldp-ucr.html link
  3. wipe out wiki content of http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements , leaving only in hg/respec link
  4. don't prohibit using PATCH... but recommend using POST and strongly discourage PATCH link
Topics
14:57:51 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/12/17-ldp-irc

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14:57:53 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

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14:57:55 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be LDP ←

14:57:55 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started

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14:57:56 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:57:56 <trackbot> Date: 17 December 2012
14:58:08 <Ruben1> zakim, who is here?

Ruben Verborgh: zakim, who is here? ←

14:58:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see +329331aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +329331aaaa ←

14:58:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see antonis, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ruben1, stevebattle2, deiu, MacTed, bhyland, jmvanel, betehess, SteveS, bblfish, AndyS, oberger, Arnaud, trackbot, ericP, sandro, Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see antonis, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ruben1, stevebattle2, deiu, MacTed, bhyland, jmvanel, betehess, SteveS, bblfish, AndyS, oberger, Arnaud, trackbot, ericP, sandro, Yves ←

14:58:15 <Ruben1> Zakim, aaaa is me

Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, aaaa is me ←

14:58:15 <Zakim> +Ruben1; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ruben1; got it ←

14:58:34 <Ruben> Zakim, aaaa is me

Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, aaaa is me ←

14:58:34 <Zakim> sorry, Ruben, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Ruben, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa' ←

14:58:35 <Zakim> +[GVoice]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[GVoice] ←

14:58:41 <Ruben> Zakim, who is here?

Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, who is here? ←

14:58:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ruben1, [GVoice]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ruben1, [GVoice] ←

14:58:42 <ericP> Zakim, [GVoice] is me

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, [GVoice] is me ←

14:58:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ruben, antonis, Zakim, RRSAgent, stevebattle2, deiu, MacTed, bhyland, jmvanel, betehess, SteveS, bblfish, AndyS, oberger, Arnaud, trackbot, ericP, sandro, Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Ruben, antonis, Zakim, RRSAgent, stevebattle2, deiu, MacTed, bhyland, jmvanel, betehess, SteveS, bblfish, AndyS, oberger, Arnaud, trackbot, ericP, sandro, Yves ←

14:58:43 <Zakim> +ericP; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP; got it ←

14:58:46 <Ruben> Zakim, Ruben1 is me

Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, Ruben1 is me ←

14:58:46 <Zakim> +Ruben; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ruben; got it ←

14:58:48 <Zakim> +??P8

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←

14:58:55 <Ruben> zakim, who is noisy?

Ruben Verborgh: zakim, who is noisy? ←

14:59:06 <Zakim> Ruben, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

Zakim IRC Bot: Ruben, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds ←

14:59:12 <Zakim> +??P9

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9 ←

14:59:17 <antonis> zakim, ??p8 is me

Antonis Loizou: zakim, ??p8 is me ←

14:59:17 <Zakim> +antonis; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +antonis; got it ←

14:59:25 <deiu> Zakim, ??P9 is me

Andrei Sambra: Zakim, ??P9 is me ←

14:59:25 <Zakim> +deiu; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +deiu; got it ←

14:59:29 <deiu> Zakim, mute me please

Andrei Sambra: Zakim, mute me please ←

14:59:29 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: deiu should now be muted ←

14:59:52 <Zakim> +Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud ←

15:00:38 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software ←

15:00:45 <Zakim> +SteveBattle

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveBattle ←

15:00:50 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←

15:00:50 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←

15:00:51 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←

15:00:51 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←

15:01:20 <Zakim> +bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish ←

15:01:21 <Ruben> who's talking now?

Ruben Verborgh: who's talking now? ←

15:01:22 <MacTed> ericP - is totally broken up

Ted Thibodeau: ericP - is totally broken up ←

15:01:35 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra ←

15:01:45 <bblfish> hi

Henry Story: hi ←

15:01:58 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←

15:01:59 <Ashok> Hi

Ashok Malhotra: Hi ←

15:02:07 <SteveS> zakim, [IBM] is me

Steve Speicher: zakim, [IBM] is me ←

15:02:07 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it ←

15:02:15 <Zakim> +Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: +Yves ←

15:02:22 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←

15:02:29 <Zakim> +??P22

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P22 ←

15:02:32 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPCaller is me ←

15:02:32 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←

15:02:44 <raul> zakim, ??P22 is me

Raúl García Castro: zakim, ??P22 is me ←

15:02:44 <Zakim> +raul; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +raul; got it ←

15:02:58 <Arnaud> zakim, who's there?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's there? ←

15:02:58 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Arnaud.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, Arnaud. ←

15:03:06 <Arnaud> zakim, who's here?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's here? ←

15:03:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ruben, ericP, antonis, deiu (muted), Arnaud, MacTed (muted), SteveBattle, bblfish, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, Yves, AndyS, raul

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ruben, ericP, antonis, deiu (muted), Arnaud, MacTed (muted), SteveBattle, bblfish, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, Yves, AndyS, raul ←

15:03:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see AndyS, raul, Ashok, Ruben, antonis, Zakim, RRSAgent, stevebattle2, deiu, MacTed, bhyland, jmvanel, betehess, SteveS, bblfish, oberger, Arnaud, trackbot, ericP, sandro,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see AndyS, raul, Ashok, Ruben, antonis, Zakim, RRSAgent, stevebattle2, deiu, MacTed, bhyland, jmvanel, betehess, SteveS, bblfish, oberger, Arnaud, trackbot, ericP, sandro, ←

15:03:08 <Zakim> ... Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Yves ←

15:03:38 <SteveS> zakim, who should scribe?

Steve Speicher: zakim, who should scribe? ←

15:03:38 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, SteveS.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, SteveS. ←

15:03:43 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←

15:03:43 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←

15:04:01 <MacTed> scribenick: MacTed

(Scribe set to Ted Thibodeau)

15:04:17 <stevebattle2> +1

Steve Battle: +1 ←

15:04:20 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1 ←

15:04:21 <antonis> +1

Antonis Loizou: +1 ←

15:04:22 <bblfish> +1

Henry Story: +1 ←

15:04:23 <MacTed> PROPOSED: approve minutes of 2012-12-10

PROPOSED: approve minutes of 2012-12-10 ←

15:04:29 <Arnaud> +1

Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←

15:04:32 <deiu> +1

Andrei Sambra: +1 ←

15:04:38 <Zakim> +??P34

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34 ←

15:04:45 <krp> zakim, ??P34 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P34 is me ←

15:04:45 <Zakim> +krp; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←

15:05:03 <MacTed> RESOLVED: approve minutes of 2012-12-10

RESOLVED: approve minutes of 2012-12-10 ←

15:05:17 <MacTed> TOPIC: Open Actions

1. Open Actions

15:05:42 <SteveS> action-17?

Steve Speicher: ACTION-17? ←

<MacTed> Arnaud: SteveS suggested we can now close action-17, asked Stevebattle to confirm

Arnaud Le Hors: SteveS suggested we can now close ACTION-17, asked Stevebattle to confirm ←

<MacTed> stevebattle: yes, we can close it

Steve Battle: yes, we can close it ←

15:05:42 <trackbot> ACTION-17 -- Steve Battle to prepare first draft of the Use Cases and Requirements Document -- due 2012-10-29 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-17 -- Steve Battle to prepare first draft of the Use Cases and Requirements Document -- due 2012-10-29 -- OPEN ←

15:05:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/17

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/17 ←

15:05:42 <MacTed> action-17?

ACTION-17? ←

15:05:42 <trackbot> ACTION-17 -- Steve Battle to prepare first draft of the Use Cases and Requirements Document -- due 2012-10-29 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-17 -- Steve Battle to prepare first draft of the Use Cases and Requirements Document -- due 2012-10-29 -- OPEN ←

15:05:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/17

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/17 ←

15:06:01 <bblfish> we are looking at open actions http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/open

Henry Story: we are looking at open actions http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/open ←

15:06:08 <Zakim> +rogerm

Zakim IRC Bot: +rogerm ←

15:06:26 <MacTed> close action-17

close ACTION-17 ←

15:06:26 <trackbot> ACTION-17 Prepare first draft of the Use Cases and Requirements Document closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-17 Prepare first draft of the Use Cases and Requirements Document closed ←

15:06:59 <Zakim> +??P1

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P1 ←

15:06:59 <MacTed> TOPIC: Issues Pending Review

2. Issues Pending Review

15:07:06 <Zakim> -krp

Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←

15:07:10 <bblfish> looking at issues: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/

Henry Story: looking at issues: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/ ←

15:07:21 <bblfish> especially http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/pendingreview

Henry Story: especially http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/pendingreview ←

<MacTed> Arnaud: we'll talk about issue-5 later

Arnaud Le Hors: we'll talk about ISSUE-5 later ←

15:07:33 <MacTed> issue-41?

ISSUE-41? ←

15:07:33 <trackbot> ISSUE-41 -- Standard way to manage members with attachments -- pending review

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-41 -- Standard way to manage members with attachments -- pending review ←

15:07:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/41

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/41 ←

<MacTed> Arnaud: waiting to hear back from John, we'll leave it as is for now

Arnaud Le Hors: waiting to hear back from John, we'll leave it as is for now ←

15:07:52 <Zakim> +??P2

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2 ←

15:08:07 <krp> zakim, ??P2 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P2 is me ←

15:08:07 <Zakim> +krp; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←

15:08:19 <Zakim> +??P34

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34 ←

15:08:45 <nmihindu> zakim, ??P34 is me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: zakim, ??P34 is me ←

15:08:45 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu; got it ←

15:08:50 <MacTed> TOPIC: FPWD of UCR -  http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements

3. FPWD of UCR - http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements

15:09:05 <Zakim> -??P1

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P1 ←

15:09:08 <SteveS> Updated at http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/ldp-ucr.html

Steve Speicher: Updated at http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/ldp-ucr.html ←

15:09:09 <Zakim> + +1.631.444.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.631.444.aabb ←

15:09:23 <Zakim> - +1.631.444.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.631.444.aabb ←

15:09:34 <roger> zakim, ??P1 is me

Roger Menday: zakim, ??P1 is me ←

15:09:34 <Zakim> I already had ??P1 as ??P1, roger

Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P1 as ??P1, roger ←

15:09:56 <Zakim> -krp

Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←

15:10:25 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+ ←

15:10:29 <MacTed> s/http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2012\/ldp\/wiki\/Use_Cases_And_Requirements/http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2012\/ldp\/hg\/ldp-ucr.html/

s/http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2012\/ldp\/wiki\/Use_Cases_And_Requirements/http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2012\/ldp\/hg\/ldp-ucr.html/ (warning: replacement failed) ←

15:10:46 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←

15:10:58 <Zakim> +??P2

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2 ←

15:11:58 <stevebattle2> q+

Steve Battle: q+ ←

15:12:11 <Arnaud> ack stevebattle

Arnaud Le Hors: ack stevebattle ←

15:12:50 <MacTed> ( discussion about publication timing, moratoriums, etc. )

( discussion about publication timing, moratoriums, etc. ) ←

15:13:08 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: publish current UCR draft as First Public Working Draft

PROPOSED: publish current UCR draft as First Public Working Draft ←

15:13:15 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1 ←

15:13:15 <stevebattle2> +1

Steve Battle: +1 ←

15:13:16 <Yves> +1

Yves Lafon: +1 ←

15:13:17 <nmihindu> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←

15:13:18 <deiu> +1

Andrei Sambra: +1 ←

15:13:21 <Arnaud> +1

Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←

15:13:21 <roger> +1

Roger Menday: +1 ←

15:13:29 <MacTed> PROPOSED: publish current UCR draft as First Public Working Draft, http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/ldp-ucr.html

PROPOSED: publish current UCR draft as First Public Working Draft, http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/ldp-ucr.html ←

15:13:29 <MacTed> +1

+1 ←

15:13:30 <bblfish> +1

Henry Story: +1 ←

15:13:33 <Ruben> +1

Ruben Verborgh: +1 ←

15:13:36 <AndyS> +1

Andy Seaborne: +1 ←

15:13:36 <Yves> I got confirmation that next round of publication will be jan 3rd

Yves Lafon: I got confirmation that next round of publication will be jan 3rd ←

15:13:45 <raul> +1

Raúl García Castro: +1 ←

15:13:46 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←

15:14:02 <ericP> note that the SOTD proposed last week indicated that it's not in a final state

Eric Prud'hommeaux: note that the SOTD proposed last week indicated that it's not in a final state ←

15:14:03 <MacTed> RESOLVED: publish current UCR draft as First Public Working Draft, http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/ldp-ucr.html

RESOLVED: publish current UCR draft as First Public Working Draft, http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/ldp-ucr.html ←

15:14:09 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-12-10#line0197 last week's proposed SOTD

Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-12-10#line0197 last week's proposed SOTD ←

15:14:21 <Zakim> -??P2

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P2 ←

15:14:52 <ericP> +1 to giving SteveS jurisdiction over the wiki page

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 to giving SteveS jurisdiction over the wiki page ←

15:14:59 <MacTed> stevebattle2: suggests we remove the deprecated content from wiki

Steve Speicher: suggests we remove the deprecated content from wiki ←

15:15:01 <Zakim> +??P2

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2 ←

15:15:01 <ericP> ... to corrupt as he sees fit

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... to corrupt as he sees fit ←

15:15:07 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me

Zakim, unmute me ←

15:15:07 <Zakim> MacTed was not muted, MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed was not muted, MacTed ←

15:15:25 <stevebattle2> s/stevebattle2/SteveS/
15:15:27 <bblfish> I think it make sense to remove the content and link to the spec

Henry Story: I think it make sense to remove the content and link to the spec ←

15:15:57 <krp> zakim, ??P2 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P2 is me ←

15:15:57 <Zakim> +krp; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←

15:16:14 <ericP> the OWL WG used a schema that Sandro concocted to publish directly from wiki.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: the OWL WG used a schema that Sandro concocted to publish directly from wiki. ←

15:16:31 <stevebattle2> We don't want the wiki content to drift away from the published content

Steve Battle: We don't want the wiki content to drift away from the published content ←

15:16:41 <MacTed> +1

+1 ←

15:16:53 <ericP> if we're not going to use such a system, and the authors want to work from resepc, yes, avoid confusion by nulling the page

Eric Prud'hommeaux: if we're not going to use such a system, and the authors want to work from resepc, yes, avoid confusion by nulling the page ←

15:16:53 <bblfish> should one have a Proposal?

Henry Story: should one have a Proposal? ←

15:17:07 <Yves> +1 to ericP

Yves Lafon: +1 to ericP ←

15:17:16 <MacTed> PROPOSED: wipe out wiki content of this page, leaving only in hg/respec

PROPOSED: wipe out wiki content of this page, leaving only in hg/respec ←

15:17:23 <Arnaud> +1

Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←

15:17:25 <antonis> +1

Antonis Loizou: +1 ←

15:17:26 <ericP> +1 to Yves's +1 of ericP

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 to Yves's +1 of ericP ←

15:17:26 <stevebattle2> +1

Steve Battle: +1 ←

15:17:27 <deiu> +1

Andrei Sambra: +1 ←

15:17:27 <bblfish> +1

Henry Story: +1 ←

15:17:28 <Yves> +1

Yves Lafon: +1 ←

15:17:28 <Ruben> +1 ok

Ruben Verborgh: +1 ok ←

15:17:28 <krp> +1

Kevin Page: +1 ←

15:17:31 <nmihindu> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←

15:17:31 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←

15:17:42 <SteveS> +1 will put "previous version" link to be something like http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/index.php?title=Use_Cases_And_Requirements&diff=1678&oldid=1676

Steve Speicher: +1 will put "previous version" link to be something like http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/index.php?title=Use_Cases_And_Requirements&diff=1678&oldid=1676 ←

15:17:48 <MacTed> RESOLVED: wipe out wiki content of http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements , leaving only in hg/respec

RESOLVED: wipe out wiki content of http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements , leaving only in hg/respec ←

15:18:04 <stevebattle2> woohoo

Steve Battle: woohoo ←

15:18:20 <Zakim> -krp

Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←

15:18:29 <MacTed> TOPIC: editor's draft of LDP spec, http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/ldp.html

4. editor's draft of LDP spec, http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/ldp.html

15:19:12 <Zakim> +Kalpa

Zakim IRC Bot: +Kalpa ←

15:19:17 <MacTed> SteveS: LDP spec remains as it was, now that the UCR is out will have more time to focus on the spec

Steve Speicher: LDP spec remains as it was, now that the UCR is out will have more time to focus on the spec ←

15:19:33 <MacTed> TOPIC: Discussion of Open Issues

5. Discussion of Open Issues

15:19:55 <Zakim> +??P40

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P40 ←

<MacTed> subtopic: LDP Model

5.1. LDP Model

15:20:08 <MacTed> Arnaud: mailing list discussion suggested we clear up some pieces of LDP model before moving to other specific issues

Arnaud Le Hors: mailing list discussion suggested we clear up some pieces of LDP model before moving to other specific issues ←

15:20:10 <krp> zakim, ??P40 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P40 is me ←

15:20:10 <Zakim> +krp; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←

15:20:17 <MacTed> ... particular concerns over container modeling

... particular concerns over container modeling ←

15:21:03 <MacTed> ... Lyon F2F concluded there were 2 possible models -- aggregation (weak) and composition (strong)

... Lyon F2F concluded there were 2 possible models -- aggregation (weak) and composition (strong) ←

15:22:05 <MacTed> ... composition requires something special from server -- one HTTP DELETE on container means that server must also delete all members

... composition requires something special from server -- one HTTP DELETE on container means that server must also delete all members ←

15:22:34 <MacTed> ... aggregation requires nothing special from server

... aggregation requires nothing special from server ←

15:23:05 <MacTed> ... Lyon F2F concluded that spec should only discuss composition model

... Lyon F2F concluded that spec should only discuss composition model ←

15:23:11 <Ashok> q+

Ashok Malhotra: q+ ←

15:23:24 <MacTed> ... if WG members want aggregation model as well, need proposal of such

... if WG members want aggregation model as well, need proposal of such ←

15:23:36 <Arnaud> ack ashok

Arnaud Le Hors: ack ashok ←

15:23:37 <bblfish> +1 Arnaud makes a  good summary of the composition problem

Henry Story: +1 Arnaud makes a good summary of the composition problem ←

15:23:50 <stevebattle2> Nice concise summary of the issues, Arnaud

Steve Battle: Nice concise summary of the issues, Arnaud ←

15:24:11 <MacTed> Ashok: has figured out AtomPub model, and believes this is what Erik wants adopted

Ashok Malhotra: has figured out AtomPub model, and believes this is what Erik wants adopted ←

15:24:54 <MacTed> ... for aggregation, you put a link into the container.  when the container goes away, the links go away, but the linked resource may remain or go away

... for aggregation, you put a link into the container. when the container goes away, the links go away, but the linked resource may remain or go away ←

15:24:57 <stevebattle2> q+

Steve Battle: q+ ←

15:25:55 <MacTed> Arnaud: doesn't think Erik is saying, do like AtomPub, but -- it would be useful to document LDP Model, and AtomPub documentation may be useful frame to start from

Arnaud Le Hors: doesn't think Erik is saying, do like AtomPub, but -- it would be useful to document LDP Model, and AtomPub documentation may be useful frame to start from ←

15:26:42 <Arnaud> ack stevebattle

Arnaud Le Hors: ack stevebattle ←

15:26:43 <MacTed> ... we don't have to do as AtomPub, but we have to address same questions/concerns

... we don't have to do as AtomPub, but we have to address same questions/concerns ←

15:27:14 <MacTed> stevebattle2: concurs with Arnaud's description of Erik's position

Steve Battle: concurs with Arnaud's description of Erik's position ←

15:27:33 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+ ←

15:27:33 <ericP> i think a more important discriminator is how much trouble will be caused by deleting resources 'cause they happen to be in containers

Eric Prud'hommeaux: i think a more important discriminator is how much trouble will be caused by deleting resources 'cause they happen to be in containers ←

15:27:41 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←

15:28:26 <MacTed> bblfish: it's better to start simple if we can.  would be useful to know if anyone has implemented LDP as it stands.

Henry Story: it's better to start simple if we can. would be useful to know if anyone has implemented LDP as it stands. ←

15:29:02 <ericP> i think it's the use more than the implementation which will demonstrate the cost vs. benefits of deleting contained resources

Eric Prud'hommeaux: i think it's the use more than the implementation which will demonstrate the cost vs. benefits of deleting contained resources ←

15:29:12 <MacTed> Arnaud: at F2F, seemed like people wanted containers so they could do paging, but there are other ways to do paging...

Arnaud Le Hors: at F2F, seemed like people wanted containers so they could do paging, but there are other ways to do paging... ←

15:29:13 <krp> It was issue-33 http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/33

Kevin Page: It was ISSUE-33 http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/33 ←

15:29:23 <Zakim> -deiu

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15:30:33 <MacTed> Ashok: agree that we need to spell it out, whether like AtomPub or otherwise

Ashok Malhotra: agree that we need to spell it out, whether like AtomPub or otherwise ←

15:30:42 <bblfish> q?

Henry Story: q? ←

15:30:43 <stevebattle2> q+

Steve Battle: q+ ←

15:30:51 <Arnaud> ack stevebattle

Arnaud Le Hors: ack stevebattle ←

15:31:14 <roger> +q

Roger Menday: +q ←

15:31:14 <MacTed> stevebattle2: LDP will definitely allow aggregation via RDF.  maybe we just need such a statement...

Steve Battle: LDP will definitely allow aggregation via RDF. maybe we just need such a statement... ←

15:31:27 <Zakim> -krp

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15:31:33 <bblfish> +1 for the idea of having a section how to do aggregation using RDF

Henry Story: +1 for the idea of having a section how to do aggregation using RDF ←

15:31:47 <MacTed> MacTed: agrees that statement would be VERY important, as lacking it, it looks like composition is *all* that LDP permits...

Ted Thibodeau: agrees that statement would be VERY important, as lacking it, it looks like composition is *all* that LDP permits... ←

15:31:53 <Zakim> +??P40

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15:32:01 <Zakim> +??P9

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15:32:04 <krp> zakim, ??P40 is me

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15:32:04 <Zakim> +krp; got it

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15:32:11 <deiu> Zakim, ??P9 is me

Andrei Sambra: Zakim, ??P9 is me ←

15:32:11 <Zakim> +deiu; got it

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15:32:14 <deiu> Zakim, mute me

Andrei Sambra: Zakim, mute me ←

15:32:14 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted

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15:32:35 <stevebattle2> But I wouldn't want to restrict people's creativity in using RDF in novel ways.

Steve Battle: But I wouldn't want to restrict people's creativity in using RDF in novel ways. ←

15:32:46 <AndyS> Has anyone tried inserting in to an RDf collection/container over HTTP? !

Andy Seaborne: Has anyone tried inserting in to an RDf collection/container over HTTP? ! ←

15:32:58 <ericP> Arnaud, has IBM seen need for deleting resources when deleting containers?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Arnaud, has IBM seen need for deleting resources when deleting containers? ←

15:33:13 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+ ←

15:33:13 <stevebattle2> q+

Steve Battle: q+ ←

15:33:26 <Arnaud> ack roger

Arnaud Le Hors: ack roger ←

15:34:22 <MacTed> roger: aggregation is important. experience is that it's necessary, and it should be defined in LDP 1.0

Roger Menday: aggregation is important. experience is that it's necessary, and it should be defined in LDP 1.0 ←

15:34:23 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←

15:34:35 <SteveS> ericP from what we do for tool integration, doesn't occur too often.  Typically the client deletes each resource on its own, then removes the container.

Steve Speicher: ericP from what we do for tool integration, doesn't occur too often. Typically the client deletes each resource on its own, then removes the container. ←

15:35:16 <MacTed> bblfish: agrees that saying how aggregation is done with pure RDF is important, and then move on to what LDP's composition gives that simple RDF aggregation doesn't

Henry Story: agrees that saying how aggregation is done with pure RDF is important, and then move on to what LDP's composition gives that simple RDF aggregation doesn't ←

15:35:47 <Arnaud> ack stevebattle

Arnaud Le Hors: ack stevebattle ←

15:35:48 <MacTed> stevebattle2: responding to Ashok's mailing list proposal...

Steve Battle: responding to Ashok's mailing list proposal... ←

15:36:01 <SteveS> q+

Steve Speicher: q+ ←

15:36:02 <MacTed> ... primary objection is that composition and aggregation are being confused by some people

... primary objection is that composition and aggregation are being confused by some people ←

15:36:19 <bblfish> I also mentioned that the arguments should come from use cases from which we can then argue

Henry Story: I also mentioned that the arguments should come from use cases from which we can then argue ←

15:36:38 <MacTed> ... wants a simple composition model, not to undermine that with lots of metadata

... wants a simple composition model, not to undermine that with lots of metadata ←

15:36:50 <Arnaud> ack steves

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves ←

15:36:57 <ericP> SteveS, i take that as some evidence that the initial design should be for aggregation

Eric Prud'hommeaux: SteveS, i take that as some evidence that the initial design should be for aggregation ←

15:37:50 <MacTed> SteveS: would like issue proposals to be separated from agenda threads on mailing list...

Steve Speicher: would like issue proposals to be separated from agenda threads on mailing list... ←

15:38:05 <bblfish> I mean arguments  for composition of containers should start from a use case and argue why that cannot be implemented without strong containers.

Henry Story: I mean arguments for composition of containers should start from a use case and argue why that cannot be implemented without strong containers. ←

15:38:53 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+ ←

15:39:05 <MacTed> Arnaud: maybe we should have a vote on Ashok's proposal?  though I'd hope it would be a more complete formulation, not just a single property

Arnaud Le Hors: maybe we should have a vote on Ashok's proposal? though I'd hope it would be a more complete formulation, not just a single property ←

15:39:27 <MacTed> Ashok: if we implement aggregation with members within a container, then we can do as I proposed

Ashok Malhotra: if we implement aggregation with members within a container, then we can do as I proposed ←

15:39:45 <MacTed> ... if we implement as AtomPub, then different mechanisms are required

... if we implement as AtomPub, then different mechanisms are required ←

15:40:05 <MacTed> ... must decide between members-within-container or pointers-within-container

... must decide between members-within-container or pointers-within-container ←

15:40:13 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←

15:40:25 <ericP> it's always references, like java

Eric Prud'hommeaux: it's always references, like java ←

15:40:40 <Zakim> -krp

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15:41:04 <Zakim> +??P0

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15:41:11 <krp> zakim, ??P0 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P0 is me ←

15:41:11 <Zakim> +krp; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←

15:41:43 <ericP> isn't aggregation what's already in the spec?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: isn't aggregation what's already in the spec? ←

15:42:02 <ericP> what's missing?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: what's missing? ←

15:42:05 <SteveS> q+

Steve Speicher: q+ ←

15:42:15 <stevebattle2> compregation is in the spec

Steve Battle: compregation is in the spec ←

15:42:19 <roger> +q

Roger Menday: +q ←

15:42:25 <ericP> ahh, roger that

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ahh, roger that ←

15:42:33 <Arnaud> ack steves

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves ←

15:43:29 <Zakim> -krp

Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←

15:43:35 <ericP> so an aggregation proposal would be to remove the text that talks about DELETE?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: so an aggregation proposal would be to remove the text that talks about DELETE? ←

15:43:41 <MacTed> Arnaud: seems to me we always have links within containers... starting from RDF as we are

Arnaud Le Hors: seems to me we always have links within containers... starting from RDF as we are ←

15:43:41 <MacTed> bblfish: thinks we should have a use case presenting why we need more than RDF-based aggregation, justifying composition model

Henry Story: thinks we should have a use case presenting why we need more than RDF-based aggregation, justifying composition model ←

15:43:41 <MacTed> Arnaud: current spec has mixed handling

Arnaud Le Hors: current spec has mixed handling ←

15:43:41 <MacTed> SteveS: spec is primarily based on aggregation. implementation may decide what happens with container-members it manages, and how to handle members with remote management...

Steve Speicher: spec is primarily based on aggregation. implementation may decide what happens with container-members it manages, and how to handle members with remote management... ←

15:43:48 <Zakim> +??P0

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15:43:54 <krp> zakim, ??P0 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P0 is me ←

15:43:54 <Zakim> +krp; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←

15:44:01 <AndyS> Precludes linking?

Andy Seaborne: Precludes linking? ←

15:44:02 <ericP> and an composition proposal would be to strengthen the DELETE text

Eric Prud'hommeaux: and an composition proposal would be to strengthen the DELETE text ←

15:44:16 <ericP> and a hybrid would include a mechanism to discriminate

Eric Prud'hommeaux: and a hybrid would include a mechanism to discriminate ←

15:44:29 <bblfish> bblfish: my last point was that we should write up how to do aggregation by writing a document which is just a collection

Henry Story: my last point was that we should write up how to do aggregation by writing a document which is just a collection [ Scribe Assist by Henry Story ] ←

15:44:31 <MacTed> ericP: an aggregation proposal would be to remove the text that talks about DELETE; composition proposal would be to strengthen the DELETE text; hybrid would include a mechanism to discriminate

Eric Prud'hommeaux: an aggregation proposal would be to remove the text that talks about DELETE; composition proposal would be to strengthen the DELETE text; hybrid would include a mechanism to discriminate ←

15:44:58 <stevebattle2> It's nto a binary choice between the two though

Steve Battle: It's not a binary choice between the two though ←

15:45:01 <Arnaud> ack roger

Arnaud Le Hors: ack roger ←

15:45:04 <stevebattle2> s/nto/not/
15:45:10 <MacTed> Arnaud: perhaps we need SteveS to revise spec based on discussion to date, before we focus too strongly on it

Arnaud Le Hors: perhaps we need SteveS to revise spec based on discussion to date, before we focus too strongly on it ←

15:46:00 <bblfish> ok, looks like I should write it up

Henry Story: ok, looks like I should write it up ←

15:46:19 <stevebattle2> It's business as usual, Roger, using rdfs:member, rdf:List, ...

Steve Battle: It's business as usual, Roger, using rdfs:member, rdf:List, ... ←

15:46:24 <SteveS> I plan to write/propose something as well but want to base it off what lands as composition

Steve Speicher: I plan to write/propose something as well but want to base it off what lands as composition ←

15:46:32 <Zakim> -krp

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15:46:41 <SteveS> stevebattle2 but what if you need to create a resource, where do you post it?

Steve Speicher: stevebattle2 but what if you need to create a resource, where do you post it? ←

15:46:53 <Zakim> +??P0

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15:47:00 <bblfish> roger, should we hook up to see if we agree?

Henry Story: roger, should we hook up to see if we agree? ←

15:47:32 <stevebattle2> "where do you post it?" is a question about composition, not aggregation.

Steve Battle: "where do you post it?" is a question about composition, not aggregation. ←

15:47:46 <MacTed> ( proposal to come... )

( proposal to come... ) ←

15:47:54 <AndyS> stevebattle -disagree - aggregation needs "add to list"

Andy Seaborne: stevebattle -disagree - aggregation needs "add to list" ←

15:48:15 <MacTed> issue-5?

ISSUE-5? ←

15:48:15 <trackbot> ISSUE-5 -- Add a section explaining how LDBP is related to Graph Store Protocol -- pending review

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-5 -- Add a section explaining how LDBP is related to Graph Store Protocol -- pending review ←

15:48:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/5

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/5 ←

15:48:24 <stevebattle2> "add to list" can be defined as an RDF patch.

Steve Battle: "add to list" can be defined as an RDF patch. ←

15:48:47 <AndyS> ... how to do that? What is the PATCH format?

Andy Seaborne: ... how to do that? What is the PATCH format? ←

15:49:11 <SteveS> stevebattle2 seems odd to have two ways to create

Steve Speicher: stevebattle2 seems odd to have two ways to create ←

15:49:17 <stevebattle2> Well, changesets, if I ruled the world :)

Steve Battle: Well, changesets, if I ruled the world :) ←

15:49:27 <AndyS> (both list and seq are hard to do via serialized formats because of bNodes and numbering resp)

Andy Seaborne: (both list and seq are hard to do via serialized formats because of bNodes and numbering resp) ←

15:50:06 <AndyS> changesets can't do it! Do not work on rdf:Lists!

Andy Seaborne: changesets can't do it! Do not work on rdf:Lists! ←

15:50:22 <stevebattle2> sigh...

Steve Battle: sigh... ←

15:50:41 <AndyS> seq similarly - hard to guess the number of the rdf:_N

Andy Seaborne: seq similarly - hard to guess the number of the rdf:_N ←

15:50:44 <MacTed> subTOPIC: Issue-5 section explaining how LDBP is related to Graph Store Protocol, http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/5
15:50:44 <MacTed> Arnaud: thinks we don't need anything in spec about this, given we have note about it on LDP homepage

Arnaud Le Hors: thinks we don't need anything in spec about this, given we have note about it on LDP homepage ←

15:50:44 <MacTed> q+

q+ ←

15:50:59 <Arnaud> ack MacTed

Arnaud Le Hors: ack MacTed ←

15:51:16 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+ ←

15:51:16 <SteveS> q+

Steve Speicher: q+ ←

15:51:23 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←

15:51:45 <Arnaud> ack steves

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves ←

15:52:54 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←

15:53:51 <MacTed> MacTed: I think the paragraph relating LDP to GSP is necessary within spec

Ted Thibodeau: I think the paragraph relating LDP to GSP is necessary within spec ←

15:53:51 <MacTed> SteveS: wonders whether there are any other specs we need to address in similar fashion?

Steve Speicher: wonders whether there are any other specs we need to address in similar fashion? ←

15:53:51 <MacTed> bblfish: maybe we just set this as postponed, and see whether explanation/connection is easy later?

Henry Story: maybe we just set this as postponed, and see whether explanation/connection is easy later? ←

15:54:11 <MacTed> Arnaud: GSP doesn't require SPARQL, though it's written with it...

Arnaud Le Hors: GSP doesn't require SPARQL, though it's written with it... ←

15:54:21 <stevebattle2> The operational semantics of GSP are defined in SPARQL.

Steve Battle: The operational semantics of GSP are defined in SPARQL. ←

15:54:37 <ericP> re implementing bost, i've implemented all of GSP and a bit of LDP.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: re implementing both, i've implemented all of GSP and a bit of LDP. ←

15:54:43 <MacTed> ... interested whether GSP server can also be LDP server, or will there be difficulties in being both -- how difficult is it to support both?

... interested whether GSP server can also be LDP server, or will there be difficulties in being both -- how difficult is it to support both? ←

15:54:44 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←

15:54:52 <MacTed> s/bost/both/
15:55:23 <ericP> the main requirement was that the server remembered the differences between LDP containers and GSP endpoints

Eric Prud'hommeaux: the main requirement was that the server remembered the differences between LDP containers and GSP endpoints ←

15:55:25 <bblfish> you could POSTPONE

Henry Story: you could POSTPONE ←

15:55:36 <MacTed> Arnaud: issue-5 resolution for now is ... no resolution.

Arnaud Le Hors: ISSUE-5 resolution for now is ... no resolution. ←

15:55:36 <ericP> other than that, they could peacibly coexist

Eric Prud'hommeaux: other than that, they could peacibly coexist ←

15:55:59 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←

15:56:40 <MacTed> issue-12?

ISSUE-12? ←

15:56:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-12 -- Can HTTP PATCH be used for resource creation? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-12 -- Can HTTP PATCH be used for resource creation? -- open ←

15:56:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/12

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/12 ←

15:56:47 <Zakim> +??P1

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15:56:48 <bblfish> I think that is easy

Henry Story: I think that is easy ←

15:56:50 <bblfish> close it

Henry Story: close it ←

15:57:02 <krp> zakim, ??P1 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P1 is me ←

15:57:02 <Zakim> +krp; got it

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15:57:15 <MacTed> subTOPIC: Issue-12 -- Can HTTP PATCH be used for resource creation? -- http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/12

5.3. ISSUE-12 -- Can HTTP PATCH be used for resource creation? -- http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/12

15:57:36 <MacTed> Arnaud: this seems clear --no, you cannot create a resource using PATCH

Arnaud Le Hors: this seems clear --no, you cannot create a resource using PATCH ←

15:57:45 <stevebattle2> I'd support not using patch for creation - POST is causing enough trouble by itself.

Steve Battle: I'd support not using patch for creation - POST is causing enough trouble by itself. ←

15:57:55 <ericP> pushes the expressivity into the stratosphere

Eric Prud'hommeaux: pushes the expressivity into the stratosphere ←

15:57:59 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←

15:58:05 <SteveS> q+

Steve Speicher: q+ ←

15:58:31 <ericP> how about "PATCH on a container is undefined behavior"?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: how about "PATCH on a container is undefined behavior"? ←

15:58:31 <Arnaud> ack steves

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves ←

15:58:45 <stevebattle2> q+

Steve Battle: q+ ←

15:58:57 <Zakim> -krp

Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←

15:59:11 <Arnaud> ack stevebattle

Arnaud Le Hors: ack stevebattle ←

15:59:36 <roger> ... did we fix the dates for the F2F ?

Roger Menday: ... did we fix the dates for the F2F ? ←

15:59:43 <ericP> my proposal is the "undefined behavior" text above

Eric Prud'hommeaux: my proposal is the "undefined behavior" text above ←

15:59:45 <bblfish> mhh, interesting arguments

Henry Story: mhh, interesting arguments ←

15:59:57 <MacTed> SteveS: wouldn't prohibit from using PATCH... would recommend using POST and strongly discourage PATCH, but wonders value of prohibition

Steve Speicher: wouldn't prohibit from using PATCH... would recommend using POST and strongly discourage PATCH, but wonders value of prohibition ←

15:59:57 <MacTed> stevebattle2: first arose because HTTP allows resources to be created with PATCH

Steve Battle: first arose because HTTP allows resources to be created with PATCH ←

16:00:29 <stevebattle2> +1

Steve Battle: +1 ←

16:00:34 <Yves> +1

Yves Lafon: +1 ←

16:00:34 <rgarcia> +1

Raúl García Castro: +1 ←

16:00:41 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1 ←

16:00:41 <Ruben> +1

Ruben Verborgh: +1 ←

16:00:43 <antonis> +1

Antonis Loizou: +1 ←

16:00:43 <bblfish> +1

Henry Story: +1 ←

16:00:43 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra ←

16:00:44 <deiu> +1

Andrei Sambra: +1 ←

16:01:01 <ericP> i prefer to speak in terms of defined behavior vs. discouragement

Eric Prud'hommeaux: i prefer to speak in terms of defined behavior vs. discouragement ←

16:01:25 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: don't prohibit using PATCH... but recommend using POST and strongly discourage PATCH

PROPOSED: don't prohibit using PATCH... but recommend using POST and strongly discourage PATCH ←

16:01:36 <Arnaud> +1

Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←

16:01:37 <rgarcia> +1

Raúl García Castro: +1 ←

16:01:38 <stevebattle2> +1

Steve Battle: +1 ←

16:01:45 <roger> +1

Roger Menday: +1 ←

16:01:52 <MacTed> +1

+1 ←

16:01:54 <Ruben> +1

Ruben Verborgh: +1 ←

16:02:01 <MacTed> RESOLVED: don't prohibit using PATCH... but recommend using POST and strongly discourage PATCH

RESOLVED: don't prohibit using PATCH... but recommend using POST and strongly discourage PATCH ←

16:02:21 <bblfish> thanks all

Henry Story: thanks all ←

16:02:26 <Zakim> -bblfish

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16:02:26 <Kalpa> happy holidays and merry christmas all

Kalpa Gunaratna: happy holidays and merry christmas all ←

16:02:29 <stevebattle2> bye

Steve Battle: bye ←

16:02:30 <Zakim> -rogerm

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16:02:31 <MacTed> TOPIC: next meeting in January

6. next meeting in January

16:02:31 <Zakim> -antonis

Zakim IRC Bot: -antonis ←

16:02:32 <Zakim> -Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: -Yves ←

16:02:32 <deiu> thank you and merry christmas!

Andrei Sambra: thank you and merry christmas! ←

16:02:33 <Zakim> -SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS ←

16:02:33 <Zakim> -Ruben

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ruben ←

16:02:37 <Arnaud> meeting adjourned

Arnaud Le Hors: meeting adjourned ←

16:02:42 <ericP> !

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ! ←

16:02:45 <ericP> tx

Eric Prud'hommeaux: tx ←

16:02:46 <MacTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

16:02:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/17-ldp-minutes.html MacTed

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16:02:47 <antonis> happy holidays everyone!

Antonis Loizou: happy holidays everyone! ←

16:02:47 <ericP> lol

Eric Prud'hommeaux: lol ←

16:02:53 <Zakim> -raul

Zakim IRC Bot: -raul ←

16:02:58 <ericP> i was asking for a soundcheck

Eric Prud'hommeaux: i was asking for a soundcheck ←

16:03:00 <Zakim> -deiu

Zakim IRC Bot: -deiu ←

16:03:07 <Zakim> -nmihindu

Zakim IRC Bot: -nmihindu ←

16:03:09 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←

16:03:09 <ericP> she says "happy holidays"

Eric Prud'hommeaux: she says "happy holidays" ←

16:03:11 <Zakim> -SteveBattle

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16:03:15 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←

16:03:18 <MacTed> RRSAgent, make logs public

RRSAgent, make logs public ←

16:03:18 <MacTed> trackbot, end conference

trackbot, end conference ←

16:03:18 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←

16:03:18 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +329331aaaa, ericP, Ruben, antonis, deiu, Arnaud, SteveBattle, MacTed, bblfish, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, Yves, AndyS, raul, krp, rogerm,

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been +329331aaaa, ericP, Ruben, antonis, deiu, Arnaud, SteveBattle, MacTed, bblfish, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, Yves, AndyS, raul, krp, rogerm, ←

16:03:22 <Zakim> ... nmihindu, +1.631.444.aabb, Kalpa

Zakim IRC Bot: ... nmihindu, +1.631.444.aabb, Kalpa ←

16:03:26 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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16:03:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/17-ldp-minutes.html trackbot

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16:03:27 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

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16:03:27 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

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