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12:26:09 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-gld-irc
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12:26:11 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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12:26:13 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be GLD ←
12:26:13 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot ←
12:26:14 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
12:26:14 <trackbot> Date: 17 October 2013
14:01:03 <olyerickson> zakim, [ipcaller] is me.
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John Erickson: zakim, [ipcaller] is me. ←
14:01:04 <Zakim> sorry, olyerickson, I do not recognize a party named '[ipcaller]'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, olyerickson, I do not recognize a party named '[ipcaller]' ←
14:01:13 <PhilA> zakim, code?
Phil Archer: zakim, code? ←
14:01:13 <Zakim> sorry, PhilA, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, PhilA, I don't know what conference this is ←
14:01:16 <olyerickson> zakim: harumph...
14:01:21 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, this is gld
Hadley Beeman: zakim, this is gld ←
14:01:21 <Zakim> ok, HadleyBeeman; that matches T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, HadleyBeeman; that matches T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM ←
14:01:22 <PhilA> zakim, this is GLD
Phil Archer: zakim, this is GLD ←
14:01:22 <Zakim> PhilA, this was already T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, this was already T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM ←
14:01:23 <Zakim> ok, PhilA; that matches T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, PhilA; that matches T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM ←
14:01:27 <PhilA> zakim, code?
Phil Archer: zakim, code? ←
14:01:27 <Zakim> the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA ←
14:01:36 <atemezin> zakim,who is here?
Ghislain Atemezing: zakim,who is here? ←
14:01:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, [IPcaller], +1.617.646.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, [IPcaller], +1.617.646.aaaa ←
14:01:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see HadleyBeeman, PhilA, bhyland, JoaoPauloAlmeida, olyerickson, atemezin, DaveReynolds, TallTed, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see HadleyBeeman, PhilA, bhyland, JoaoPauloAlmeida, olyerickson, atemezin, DaveReynolds, TallTed, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, sandro ←
14:01:53 <Zakim> +??P27
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27 ←
14:02:07 <Zakim> +??P24
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24 ←
14:02:15 <PhilA> zakim, ipcaller is olyerickson
Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller is olyerickson ←
14:02:19 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +olyerickson; got it ←
14:02:20 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman ←
14:02:29 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←
14:02:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, olyerickson, +1.617.646.aaaa, ??P27, ??P24, HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, olyerickson, +1.617.646.aaaa, ??P27, ??P24, HadleyBeeman ←
14:02:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see HadleyBeeman, PhilA, bhyland, JoaoPauloAlmeida, olyerickson, atemezin, DaveReynolds, TallTed, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see HadleyBeeman, PhilA, bhyland, JoaoPauloAlmeida, olyerickson, atemezin, DaveReynolds, TallTed, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, sandro ←
14:02:37 <PhilA> zakim, P24 is me
Phil Archer: zakim, P24 is me ←
14:02:38 <Zakim> sorry, PhilA, I do not recognize a party named 'P24'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, PhilA, I do not recognize a party named 'P24' ←
14:02:42 <Zakim> +bhyland
Zakim IRC Bot: +bhyland ←
14:02:43 <PhilA> zakim, ??P24 is me
Phil Archer: zakim, ??P24 is me ←
14:02:44 <Zakim> +PhilA; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +PhilA; got it ←
14:03:00 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:03:25 <HadleyBeeman> Agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20131017
Hadley Beeman: Agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20131017 ←
14:03:27 <PhilA> meeting: GLD 17 October 2013
14:03:32 <DaveReynolds> ack ??P27
Dave Reynolds: ack ??P27 ←
14:03:33 <olyerickson> +1 to fadi-by-proxy
John Erickson: +1 to fadi-by-proxy ←
14:03:47 <atemezin> me Hi Dave...Can report this application http://semantics.eurecom.fr/datalift/PerfectSchool/ consuming cube vocab for the implementation report?
Ghislain Atemezing: me Hi Dave...Can report this application http://semantics.eurecom.fr/datalift/PerfectSchool/ consuming cube vocab for the implementation report? ←
14:03:49 <PhilA> PhilA has changed the topic to: GLD 17 October 2013
Phil Archer: PhilA has changed the topic to: GLD 17 October 2013 ←
14:03:56 <PhilA> chair: HadleyBeeman
14:03:57 <bhyland> chair: HadleyBeeman
14:04:02 <bhyland> scribe: bhyland
(Scribe set to Bernadette Hyland)
14:04:20 <DaveReynolds> Hi, sure send a report to the list and I'll a link to the page
Dave Reynolds: Hi, sure send a report to the list and I'll a link to the page ←
14:04:23 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←
14:04:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, olyerickson, +1.617.646.aaaa, DaveReynolds, PhilA, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, olyerickson, +1.617.646.aaaa, DaveReynolds, PhilA, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, [IPcaller] ←
14:04:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see Deirdrelee, HadleyBeeman, PhilA, bhyland, JoaoPauloAlmeida, olyerickson, atemezin, DaveReynolds, TallTed, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Deirdrelee, HadleyBeeman, PhilA, bhyland, JoaoPauloAlmeida, olyerickson, atemezin, DaveReynolds, TallTed, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, sandro ←
14:04:40 <atemezin> Ok. Thanks Dave!
Ghislain Atemezing: Ok. Thanks Dave! ←
14:05:06 <Deirdrelee> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
Deirdre Lee: zakim, [IPcaller] is me ←
14:05:06 <Zakim> +Deirdrelee; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Deirdrelee; got it ←
14:05:33 <PhilA> zakim, aaaa is Sumit
Phil Archer: zakim, aaaa is Sumit ←
14:05:33 <Zakim> +Sumit; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sumit; got it ←
14:05:36 <Zakim> +??P40
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P40 ←
14:05:46 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> ??P40 is me
Joao Almeida: ??P40 is me ←
14:05:52 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P40 is me
Joao Almeida: Zakim, ??P40 is me ←
14:05:52 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it ←
14:06:02 <PhilA> PhilA: Apologises in advance for almost certainly misspelling the Pacific NW
Phil Archer: Apologises in advance for almost certainly misspelling the Pacific NW [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
14:06:05 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?
zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:06:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, olyerickson, Sumit, DaveReynolds, PhilA, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, Deirdrelee, JoaoPauloAlmeida
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, olyerickson, Sumit, DaveReynolds, PhilA, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, Deirdrelee, JoaoPauloAlmeida ←
14:06:22 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.4.93.00.aabb ←
14:07:23 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-08-01
Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-08-01 ←
14:08:08 <bhyland> There appear to be a missing set of meetings for http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-08-15
There appear to be a missing set of meetings for http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-08-15 ←
14:08:18 <atemezin> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/
Ghislain Atemezing: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/ ←
14:08:49 <bhyland> OK, the minutes are there but not linked to in the main wiki
OK, the minutes are there but not linked to in the main wiki ←
14:08:54 <DaveReynolds> +1 to accept minutes
Dave Reynolds: +1 to accept minutes ←
14:08:59 <bhyland> (I'll fix later)
(I'll fix later) ←
14:09:02 <atemezin> +1
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←
14:09:04 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1
Joao Almeida: +1 ←
14:09:04 <olyerickson> +1 to minuts
John Erickson: +1 to minuts ←
14:09:29 <bhyland> Accepted minutes from 20130815
Accepted minutes from 20130815 ←
14:10:24 <bhyland> q+
q+ ←
14:10:29 <olyerickson> Q+
John Erickson: Q+ ←
14:11:25 <bhyland> Topic: DCAT status
14:11:29 <bhyland> Fadi Maali <fadi.maali@deri.org>
Fadi Maali <fadi.maali@deri.org> ←
14:11:29 <bhyland> Resent-From: W3C public GLD WG WG <public-gld-wg@w3.org>
Scribe problem: the name 'Resent-From' does not match any of the 72 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Agis Papantoniou Aitor Moreno Asunción Gómez Pérez Bart van Leeuwen Bede McCall Benedikt Kaempgen Bernadette Hyland Biplav Srivastava Boris Villazón-Terrazas Caroline Burle Chris Beer Chris Musialek Christophe Gueret Cory Casanave Daniel Mekonnen Daniel Vila Dave Reynolds David Smith David Price Deirdre Lee Denise Warzel Dickson Lukose Elena Montiel Ponsoda Eric VonColln Eric Stephan Fadi Maali George Thomas Gerald Steeman Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gofran Shukair Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Irene Polikoff James McKinney Jindřich Mynarz Joao Almeida John Goodwin John Sheridan John Erickson Jorge Gracia Luis Bermudez Lyle Burgoon Makx Dekkers Maria Fernandez Ruiz Marios Meimaris Martin Kaltenböck Martín Álvarez Michael Pendleton Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naomi Yoshizawa Phil Archer Raf Buyle Raj Singh Raphaël Troncy Richard Cyganiak Sandro Hawke Sarven Capadisli Serafin Olcoz Stasinos Konstantopoulos Sumit Purohit Ted Thibodeau Tina Gheen Tope Omitola William Brafford Yaso Córdova Yigal Arens Yosuke Funahashi Zachary Whitley Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Resent-From: W3C public GLD WG WG <public-gld-wg@w3.org> ←
14:11:29 <bhyland> To: Public GLD WG <public-gld-wg@w3.org>
Tope Omitola: Public GLD WG <public-gld-wg@w3.org> ←
14:11:29 <bhyland> Cc: Deirdre Lee <deirdre.lee@deri.org>, Makx Dekkers <makx@makxdekkers.com>, Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>, Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>and cc
Scribe problem: the name 'Cc' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Richard Cyganiak Cory Casanave Sarven Capadisli . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Unknown Cc: Deirdre Lee <deirdre.lee@deri.org>, Makx Dekkers <makx@makxdekkers.com>, Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>, Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>and cc ←
14:11:30 <bhyland> status of DCAT
status of DCAT ←
14:11:44 <PhilA> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Oct/0004.html Fadi's mail
Phil Archer: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Oct/0004.html Fadi's mail ←
14:12:12 <olyerickson> q+
John Erickson: q+ ←
14:12:20 <olyerickson> q+++
John Erickson: q+++ ←
14:13:21 <PhilA> See for example http://schema.org/DataCatalog
Phil Archer: See for example http://schema.org/DataCatalog ←
14:13:55 <bhyland> bhyland: Given the importance & visibility of DCAT in the overall open data community, I personally would like to see it ushered through and have some ideas for how to give some support to Fadi IF he is still willing to be the main facilitator.
Bernadette Hyland: Given the importance & visibility of DCAT in the overall open data community, I personally would like to see it ushered through and have some ideas for how to give some support to Fadi IF he is still willing to be the main facilitator. ←
14:14:08 <DaveReynolds> q+
Dave Reynolds: q+ ←
14:14:27 <DaveReynolds> q-
Dave Reynolds: q- ←
14:14:27 <PhilA> q- olyerickson
Phil Archer: q- olyerickson ←
14:14:37 <olyerickson> q- ++
John Erickson: q- ++ ←
14:14:45 <bhyland> olyerickson: What type of documentation do we require from users of DCAT (Woods Hole, EU organizations, etc) to demonstrate implementation of the proposed document.
John Erickson: What type of documentation do we require from users of DCAT (Woods Hole, EU organizations, etc) to demonstrate implementation of the proposed document. ←
14:14:48 <bhyland> ack bhyland
ack bhyland ←
14:15:31 <bhyland> Sandro: The W3C requirements are pretty flexible. We can take an email from the organization that confirms they've read the spec, they are using the following terms, they conform to the spec.
Sandro Hawke: The W3C requirements are pretty flexible. We can take an email from the organization that confirms they've read the spec, they are using the following terms, they conform to the spec. ←
14:15:50 <bhyland> … If there are terms that no one is using, it is questionable as to whether they should remain in the spec.
… If there are terms that no one is using, it is questionable as to whether they should remain in the spec. ←
14:16:34 <bhyland> olyerickson: Yes, that process/approach makes sense. Remaining issue is complete coverage because DCAT anticipates a broader set of terms than a given LD publisher is likely to use.
John Erickson: Yes, that process/approach makes sense. Remaining issue is complete coverage because DCAT anticipates a broader set of terms than a given LD publisher is likely to use. ←
14:17:02 <bhyland> Sandro: any given publisher doesn't need to use all terms, just coverage overall between the implementors.
Sandro Hawke: any given publisher doesn't need to use all terms, just coverage overall between the implementors. ←
14:17:06 <HadleyBeeman> q+ to talk about what "official" means
Hadley Beeman: q+ to talk about what "official" means ←
14:17:10 <PhilA> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
14:17:49 <bhyland> Sandro: I think we can ignore test harness for a vocabulary publisher … it is not clear how to do that. In general, we haven't done this for vocabs & I don't think we need to.
Sandro Hawke: I think we can ignore test harness for a vocabulary publisher … it is not clear how to do that. In general, we haven't done this for vocabs & I don't think we need to. ←
14:18:24 <DaveReynolds> Well that's not entirely the case c.f. ORG and Data Cube :)
Dave Reynolds: Well that's not entirely the case c.f. ORG and Data Cube :) ←
14:18:37 <bhyland> olyerickson: We're showing data set implementers using a by-way-of-example approach but it is difficult to do this for a vocabulary ...
John Erickson: We're showing data set implementers using a by-way-of-example approach but it is difficult to do this for a vocabulary ... ←
14:19:18 <bhyland> … International Open Government Data Catalog is meant to be a 90% overlap of DCAT but the vocab terms are not pure DCAT ...
… International Open Government Data Catalog is meant to be a 90% overlap of DCAT but the vocab terms are not pure DCAT ... ←
14:19:24 <PhilA> q+ to talk about mappings
Phil Archer: q+ to talk about mappings ←
14:20:02 <bhyland> … We could claim we have a catalog with terms that are mostly DCAT, but we don't have the staffing resources currently (not before end of November 2013), to complete that effort.
… We could claim we have a catalog with terms that are mostly DCAT, but we don't have the staffing resources currently (not before end of November 2013), to complete that effort. ←
14:20:51 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
Zakim IRC Bot: -JoaoPauloAlmeida ←
14:21:00 <HadleyBeeman> ack phil
Hadley Beeman: ack phil ←
14:21:00 <Zakim> PhilA, you wanted to talk about mappings
Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, you wanted to talk about mappings ←
14:21:03 <olyerickson> Zakim, mute me.
John Erickson: Zakim, mute me. ←
14:21:03 <Zakim> olyerickson should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: olyerickson should now be muted ←
14:21:07 <Zakim> +??P40
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P40 ←
14:21:12 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P40 is me
Joao Almeida: Zakim, ??P40 is me ←
14:21:12 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it ←
14:21:14 <PhilA> mappings http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Datasets
Phil Archer: mappings http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Datasets ←
14:21:16 <bhyland> … Our implementation of DCAT isn't complete. By way of complete implementation, see the Woods Hole implementation. For those not familiar with who Woods Hole is, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woods_Hole_Oceanographic_Institution
… Our implementation of DCAT isn't complete. By way of complete implementation, see the Woods Hole implementation. For those not familiar with who Woods Hole is, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woods_Hole_Oceanographic_Institution ←
14:23:04 <bhyland> PhilA: Raised concerned that terms DCAT, ADMS changes happened after the terms had been incorporated in to Schema.org.
Phil Archer: Raised concerned that terms DCAT, ADMS changes happened after the terms had been incorporated in to Schema.org. ←
14:23:46 <bhyland> PhilA: Agreed to take an Action to communicate with Schema.org facilitators to ask them to update....
Phil Archer: Agreed to take an Action to communicate with Schema.org facilitators to ask them to update.... ←
14:24:24 <bhyland> Action: PhilA will communicate with Schema.org facilitators & ask them to update terms from DCAT & ADMS.
ACTION: PhilA will communicate with Schema.org facilitators & ask them to update terms from DCAT & ADMS. ←
14:24:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-149 - Will communicate with schema.org facilitators & ask them to update terms from dcat & adms. [on Phil Archer - due 2013-10-24].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-149 - Will communicate with schema.org facilitators & ask them to update terms from dcat & adms. [on Phil Archer - due 2013-10-24]. ←
14:24:53 <olyerickson> im muted
John Erickson: im muted ←
14:25:03 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> We are in a huge mess with respect to vocabulary adoption/reuse
Joao Almeida: We are in a huge mess with respect to vocabulary adoption/reuse ←
14:25:05 <bhyland> … Discussion ensued about Schema.org's willingness to update Schema.org based on changes made by W3 working group(s).
… Discussion ensued about Schema.org's willingness to update Schema.org based on changes made by W3 working group(s). ←
14:25:09 <olyerickson> zakim, unmute me.
John Erickson: zakim, unmute me. ←
14:25:09 <Zakim> olyerickson should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: olyerickson should no longer be muted ←
14:25:20 <olyerickson> q+
John Erickson: q+ ←
14:25:29 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> This schema.org usage is only one small example...
Joao Almeida: This schema.org usage is only one small example... ←
14:25:44 <olyerickson> Q+
John Erickson: Q+ ←
14:25:48 <olyerickson> Q+
John Erickson: Q+ ←
14:25:54 <olyerickson> Q+
John Erickson: Q+ ←
14:25:57 <bhyland> PhilA: Hasn't personally come across people who said they are implemented one vocab over another, specifically Schema.org vs. DCAT
Phil Archer: Hasn't personally come across people who said they are implemented one vocab over another, specifically Schema.org vs. DCAT ←
14:26:08 <bhyland> ack olyerickson
ack olyerickson ←
14:26:20 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> This is not the first time we had discussed this. We ourselves (in ORG) depend on FOAF (which has a broken versioning scheme).
Joao Almeida: This is not the first time we had discussed this. We ourselves (in ORG) depend on FOAF (which has a broken versioning scheme). ←
14:27:05 <bhyland> olyerickson: People are asking about DCAT & how to surface their metadata on the Web. RPI teaches people about both Schema.org which has "good brand" coverage, as well as RDFa ...
John Erickson: People are asking about DCAT & how to surface their metadata on the Web. RPI teaches people about both Schema.org which has "good brand" coverage, as well as RDFa ... ←
14:27:10 <PhilA> q+ to raise a completely different issue about schema.org cf. DCAT
Phil Archer: q+ to raise a completely different issue about schema.org cf. DCAT ←
14:28:32 <bhyland> q+
q+ ←
14:31:02 <HadleyBeeman> ack phil
Hadley Beeman: ack phil ←
14:31:02 <Zakim> PhilA, you wanted to raise a completely different issue about schema.org cf. DCAT
Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, you wanted to raise a completely different issue about schema.org cf. DCAT ←
14:31:23 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> good comment by bhyland
Joao Almeida: good comment by bhyland ←
14:32:01 <bhyland> PhilA: Per discussion with EC, questions were raised by someone why the W3C is working with Schema.org because it is a proprietary vocab not developed in an open, peer reviewed process.
Phil Archer: Per discussion with EC, questions were raised by someone why the W3C is working with Schema.org because it is a proprietary vocab not developed in an open, peer reviewed process. ←
14:32:22 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> we have used FOAF, which is not open
Joao Almeida: we have used FOAF, which is not open ←
14:32:53 <bhyland> … Because Schema.org hasn't been done in open peer reviewed forum, it is tough to make recommendation to government authorities to use it.
… Because Schema.org hasn't been done in open peer reviewed forum, it is tough to make recommendation to government authorities to use it. ←
14:33:11 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> best practices should clarify issues of vocab reuse, versioning (evolution) and openness
Joao Almeida: best practices should clarify issues of vocab reuse, versioning (evolution) and openness ←
14:33:16 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_Timetable
Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_Timetable ←
14:33:30 <PhilA> JoaoPauloAlmeida - I think FOAF is more open than schema.org. All decisions are taken in public by its community cf. behind closed doors for schema.org
Phil Archer: JoaoPauloAlmeida - I think FOAF is more open than schema.org. All decisions are taken in public by its community cf. behind closed doors for schema.org ←
14:33:56 <bhyland> Hadley: We still have quite a bit of (W3) process to get DCAT across the finish line in the remaining 2 months.
Hadley Beeman: We still have quite a bit of (W3) process to get DCAT across the finish line in the remaining 2 months. ←
14:35:20 <bhyland> Hadley: Asked whether we have the resources within the GLD WG to engage in CR effort … Alternatively, we publish a WG Note.
Hadley Beeman: Asked whether we have the resources within the GLD WG to engage in CR effort … Alternatively, we publish a WG Note. ←
14:35:27 <bhyland> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
14:35:37 <Zakim> bhyland, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +33.4.93.00.aabb (14%)
Zakim IRC Bot: bhyland, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +33.4.93.00.aabb (14%) ←
14:35:41 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> This group needs to write about these fundamental issues. Vocabularies are only useful if they are reused, and if they can evolve (even when they are already being used), … is this something that can be raised in the follow up efforts of the Data Activity
Joao Almeida: This group needs to write about these fundamental issues. Vocabularies are only useful if they are reused, and if they can evolve (even when they are already being used), … is this something that can be raised in the follow up efforts of the Data Activity ←
14:35:48 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> ?
Joao Almeida: ? ←
14:35:49 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, mute aabb
Hadley Beeman: zakim, mute aabb ←
14:35:49 <Zakim> +33.4.93.00.aabb should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: +33.4.93.00.aabb should now be muted ←
14:36:04 <bhyland> Sandro: We need to consider whether there is a benefit to DCAT being a Recommendation or a WG Note.
Sandro Hawke: We need to consider whether there is a benefit to DCAT being a Recommendation or a WG Note. ←
14:36:30 <bhyland> … Boils down to level of effort required + time available + value derived from the effort.
… Boils down to level of effort required + time available + value derived from the effort. ←
14:36:31 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
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14:36:38 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?
zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:36:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, olyerickson, Sumit, DaveReynolds, PhilA, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, Deirdrelee, +33.4.93.00.aabb (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, olyerickson, Sumit, DaveReynolds, PhilA, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, Deirdrelee, +33.4.93.00.aabb (muted) ←
14:36:42 <Zakim> +??P10
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10 ←
14:36:48 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P10 is me
Joao Almeida: Zakim, ??P10 is me ←
14:36:48 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it ←
14:37:12 <HadleyBeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
14:37:14 <HadleyBeeman> ack me
Hadley Beeman: ack me ←
14:37:14 <Zakim> HadleyBeeman, you wanted to talk about what "official" means
Zakim IRC Bot: HadleyBeeman, you wanted to talk about what "official" means ←
14:37:21 <HadleyBeeman> ack bhy
Hadley Beeman: ack bhy ←
14:38:11 <DaveReynolds> q+
Dave Reynolds: q+ ←
14:38:18 <bhyland> bhyland: Asked whether European LD publishers (with whom PhilA works fairly closely), whether they distinguish between a WG Note vs a Recommendation.
Bernadette Hyland: Asked whether European LD publishers (with whom PhilA works fairly closely), whether they distinguish between a WG Note vs a Recommendation. ←
14:38:44 <bhyland> … They simply want to know it is stable & not being mucked around with … terms aren't being changed out from beneath them.
… They simply want to know it is stable & not being mucked around with … terms aren't being changed out from beneath them. ←
14:39:11 <bhyland> … If the Data on the Web WG wants to add terms, then they have freedom to do so.
… If the Data on the Web WG wants to add terms, then they have freedom to do so. ←
14:39:27 <olyerickson> +1 to some W3C status that signifies stability. "Note" apparently achieves that, "Recommendation" prolly stronger than "Note"
John Erickson: +1 to some W3C status that signifies stability. "Note" apparently achieves that, "Recommendation" prolly stronger than "Note" ←
14:39:28 <HadleyBeeman> …. by adding a separate note
Hadley Beeman: …. by adding a separate note ←
14:39:37 <HadleyBeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
14:39:43 <bhyland> … Stability is the most important issue. They want the technology to remain stable.
… Stability is the most important issue. They want the technology to remain stable. ←
14:39:56 <bhyland> … the existing terms remain in effect.
… the existing terms remain in effect. ←
14:40:32 <DaveReynolds> ack em
Dave Reynolds: ack em ←
14:40:36 <bhyland> Sandro: There *may* be editorial changes in subsequent documents that add clarity (reduce ambiguity).
Sandro Hawke: There *may* be editorial changes in subsequent documents that add clarity (reduce ambiguity). ←
14:40:39 <HadleyBeeman> ack dave
Hadley Beeman: ack dave ←
14:41:11 <bhyland> DaveReynolds: I'm not working with people trying to use DCAT at the moment. But in the UK, there is commitment to working with open Web standards.
Dave Reynolds: I'm not working with people trying to use DCAT at the moment. But in the UK, there is commitment to working with open Web standards. ←
14:41:25 <bhyland> … There is a cost to doing a WG Note vs. a Recommendation
… There is a cost to doing a WG Note vs. a Recommendation ←
14:42:37 <olyerickson> I will ask whether "recommendation" status makes a difference to e.g. WHOI
John Erickson: I will ask whether "recommendation" status makes a difference to e.g. WHOI ←
14:42:40 <HadleyBeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
14:42:54 <bhyland> q+
q+ ←
14:42:58 <olyerickson> I'll also ask my friends in Data.gov
John Erickson: I'll also ask my friends in Data.gov ←
14:42:58 <bhyland> ack Had
ack Had ←
14:43:21 <bhyland> HadleyBeeman: Working on UK Government Open Standards
Hadley Beeman: Working on UK Government Open Standards ←
14:43:45 <bhyland> … It includes language around "due process" for open web standards that are adopted.
… It includes language around "due process" for open web standards that are adopted. ←
14:44:17 <bhyland> … Practically on the ground, I doubt that there would be a lot of push back if there were a stable Working Group Note vs. Recommendation.
… Practically on the ground, I doubt that there would be a lot of push back if there were a stable Working Group Note vs. Recommendation. ←
14:44:37 <Deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
14:45:03 <HadleyBeeman> ack bhyland
Hadley Beeman: ack bhyland ←
14:46:25 <HadleyBeeman> UK gov definition of open standard is in here: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/78892/Open-Standards-Principles-FINAL.pdf
Hadley Beeman: UK gov definition of open standard is in here: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/78892/Open-Standards-Principles-FINAL.pdf ←
14:47:00 <bhyland> … Back to Sandro's point … do we have the resources within 2 mos & is success is possible & do we get sufficient value from that hard work?
… Back to Sandro's point … do we have the resources within 2 mos & is success is possible & do we get sufficient value from that hard work? ←
14:48:18 <bhyland> Deirdre: If DERI & RPI could each supply an implementation that conforms, independentally developed, would that be sufficient?
Deirdre Lee: If DERI & RPI could each supply an implementation that conforms, independentally developed, would that be sufficient? ←
14:48:22 <bhyland> Sandro: Yes.
Sandro Hawke: Yes. ←
14:49:06 <bhyland> HadleyBeeman: Provided a summary:we need a final resourcing discussion with Fadi.
Hadley Beeman: Provided a summary:we need a final resourcing discussion with Fadi. ←
14:49:50 <olyerickson> RPI will solicit a statement of implementation (or intent to implement) DCAT from e.g. WHOI. Hopefully they will agree...
John Erickson: RPI will solicit a statement of implementation (or intent to implement) DCAT from e.g. WHOI. Hopefully they will agree... ←
14:50:48 <bhyland> Sandro: We need the following by Thur Oct 24-Oct: 1) Documented WG Resolution to proceed; 2) Documentation ready for publication as CR (from LC); 3) Transition request emailed to W3C mgmt & chairs.
Sandro Hawke: We need the following by Thur Oct 24-Oct: 1) Documented WG Resolution to proceed; 2) Documentation ready for publication as CR (from LC); 3) Transition request emailed to W3C mgmt & chairs. ←
14:52:09 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
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14:52:23 <Zakim> +??P10
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14:52:30 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P10 is me
Joao Almeida: Zakim, ??P10 is me ←
14:52:30 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it ←
14:52:44 <Deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
14:53:58 <DaveReynolds> Presumably also a question of availability - if Fadi is off to ISWC then prepare docs by next Thursday may be hard
Dave Reynolds: Presumably also a question of availability - if Fadi is off to ISWC then prepare docs by next Thursday may be hard ←
14:54:01 <PhilA> ack Deirdrelee
Phil Archer: ack Deirdrelee ←
14:54:17 <bhyland> Action: HadleyBeeman, bhyland - Solicit commitment from WG participants & reach out beyond, to determine that there is support for Fadi who does want to see DCAT move through the Rec Track process.
ACTION: HadleyBeeman, bhyland - Solicit commitment from WG participants & reach out beyond, to determine that there is support for Fadi who does want to see DCAT move through the Rec Track process. ←
14:54:17 <trackbot> Error finding 'HadleyBeeman,'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/users>.
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14:55:08 <bhyland> Deirdre: Appreciate that Fadi wants to see this move forward, and from DERI's side, we'd like to see it move forward to Rec track. She couldn't commit on behalf of DERI but expressed that it is very important to DERI.
Deirdre Lee: Appreciate that Fadi wants to see this move forward, and from DERI's side, we'd like to see it move forward to Rec track. She couldn't commit on behalf of DERI but expressed that it is very important to DERI. ←
14:55:35 <bhyland> Action: Deirdre to raise with DERI management to lend support & needed resources to move DCAT through Rec Track process.
ACTION: Deirdre to raise with DERI management to lend support & needed resources to move DCAT through Rec Track process. ←
14:55:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-150 - Raise with deri management to lend support & needed resources to move dcat through rec track process. [on Deirdre Lee - due 2013-10-24].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-150 - Raise with deri management to lend support & needed resources to move dcat through rec track process. [on Deirdre Lee - due 2013-10-24]. ←
14:56:05 <atemezin> +1 to see DCAT going to Rec
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 to see DCAT going to Rec ←
14:56:30 <Deirdrelee> I have to go....I'll follow up on mailing list
Deirdre Lee: I have to go....I'll follow up on mailing list ←
14:56:32 <bhyland> Topic: ORG update
14:56:40 <Zakim> -Deirdrelee
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14:56:58 <bhyland> DaveReynolds: Cannot have sufficient status discussion in 2 minutes remaining.
Dave Reynolds: Cannot have sufficient status discussion in 2 minutes remaining. ←
14:57:28 <PhilA> q+ to give a little bit of good news
Phil Archer: q+ to give a little bit of good news ←
14:57:49 <bhyland> DaveReynolds: It has been tough to get implementation reports. We have one formal report Cube.
Dave Reynolds: It has been tough to get implementation reports. We have one formal report Cube. ←
14:58:42 <bhyland> We have one report for ORG that was somewhat loose. We need to encourage implementation reports, conformance checks & rigor.
We have one report for ORG that was somewhat loose. We need to encourage implementation reports, conformance checks & rigor. ←
14:58:51 <bhyland> Hadley: Is it doable in the time remaining?
Hadley Beeman: Is it doable in the time remaining? ←
14:59:55 <bhyland> DaveReynolds: For Cube, I think it is doable. We can get evidence of conformance. For ORG, I'm more worried. We might need to consider taking ORG to WG Note....
Dave Reynolds: For Cube, I think it is doable. We can get evidence of conformance. For ORG, I'm more worried. We might need to consider taking ORG to WG Note.... ←
15:00:40 <PhilA> scribe: PhilA
(Scribe set to Phil Archer)
15:00:43 <bhyland> ta!
Bernadette Hyland: ta! ←
15:00:48 <Zakim> -bhyland
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15:00:55 <PhilA> sandro: Asks about Soton's use of QB
Sandro Hawke: Asks about Soton's use of QB ←
15:01:04 <Zakim> -olyerickson
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15:01:15 <PhilA> DaveReynolds: No
Dave Reynolds: No ←
15:01:25 <PhilA> sandro: OK, they've used it. Need to chase it
Sandro Hawke: OK, they've used it. Need to chase it ←
15:03:22 <PhilA> PhilA: I have some info from Italy. No usage of more terms I'm afraid. But I have Italian translations of the labels and comments
Phil Archer: I have some info from Italy. No usage of more terms I'm afraid. But I have Italian translations of the labels and comments ←
15:03:37 <atemezin> Thanks all!
Ghislain Atemezing: Thanks all! ←
15:03:45 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> bye
Joao Almeida: bye ←
15:03:45 <Zakim> - +33.4.93.00.aabb
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15:03:47 <Zakim> -PhilA
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15:03:49 <sumit> Thanks All
Sumit Purohit: Thanks All ←
15:03:51 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
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15:03:53 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds
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15:03:58 <Zakim> -Sandro
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15:04:07 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Asks about Best prac doc. Bernadette has had to leave already. No one else on the call to talk about it
Hadley Beeman: Asks about Best prac doc. Bernadette has had to leave already. No one else on the call to talk about it ←
15:04:19 <PhilA> meeting adjourned
meeting adjourned ←
15:04:27 <PhilA> rrsagent, make logs public
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15:10:31 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.617.646.aaaa, Sandro, olyerickson, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, PhilA, DaveReynolds, Deirdrelee, Sumit, JoaoPauloAlmeida, +33.4.93.00.aabb
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