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13:59:39 <sandro> trackbot, start meeting
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13:59:41 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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13:59:43 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD
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13:59:44 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
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13:59:44 <trackbot> Date: 01 August 2013
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14:00:17 <Zakim> + +35386100aaaa
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14:00:21 <sandro> just noticing cygri is still on the IRC channel heh.
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14:00:31 <fadmaa> Zakim, +353 is me
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14:00:31 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it
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14:00:36 <PhilA> zakim, code?
Phil Archer: zakim, code? ←
14:00:36 <Zakim> the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA
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14:00:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:01:00 <PhilA> zakim, IPcaller is me
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14:01:00 <Zakim> +PhilA; got it
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14:01:05 <Zakim> +Sandro
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14:01:10 <HadleyBeeman> Hi all
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14:01:12 <Zakim> +??P12
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14:01:14 <HadleyBeeman> just dialing in
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14:01:16 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:01:22 <Zakim> +davidwood
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14:01:24 <olyerickson> zakim, I am [ipcaller].
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14:01:31 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, P12 is BenediktKaempgen
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14:01:31 <Zakim> sorry, BenediktKaempgen, I do not recognize a party named 'P12'
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14:01:39 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
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14:01:41 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, ??P12 is BenediktKaempgen
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14:01:41 <Zakim> +BenediktKaempgen; got it
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14:02:33 <PhilA> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jul/0055.html
14:03:00 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←
14:03:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see fadmaa, PhilA, Sandro, BenediktKaempgen, [IPcaller], davidwood, DaveReynolds1
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14:03:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see DaveReynolds1, fadmaa, BenediktKaempgen, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA, bhyland, HadleyBeeman, olyerickson, danbri_, cygri, TallTed, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see DaveReynolds1, fadmaa, BenediktKaempgen, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA, bhyland, HadleyBeeman, olyerickson, danbri_, cygri, TallTed, trackbot, sandro ←
14:03:32 <olyerickson> zakim, [ipcaller] is me.
John Erickson: zakim, [ipcaller] is me. ←
14:03:32 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it
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14:04:04 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
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14:04:25 <PhilA> Chair: HadleyBeeman
14:05:40 <olyerickson> +1 to thanking PhilA
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14:06:10 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
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14:06:15 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
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14:06:15 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
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14:06:17 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
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14:06:17 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
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14:06:32 <bhyland1> zakim, who is on the call?
Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:06:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see fadmaa, PhilA, Sandro, BenediktKaempgen, olyerickson, davidwood, DaveReynolds1, HadleyBeeman, TallTed (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see fadmaa, PhilA, Sandro, BenediktKaempgen, olyerickson, davidwood, DaveReynolds1, HadleyBeeman, TallTed (muted) ←
14:06:38 <PhilA> scribe: PhilA
(Scribe set to Phil Archer)
14:06:45 <PhilA> scribeNick: PhilA
14:06:49 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20130801
Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20130801 ←
14:06:55 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Goes through agenda
Hadley Beeman: Goes through agenda ←
14:07:01 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me
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14:07:01 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted
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14:07:01 <PhilA> topic: Extension
14:07:06 <BenediktKaempgen> last weeks minutes?
Benedikt Kaempgen: last weeks minutes? ←
14:07:10 <olyerickson> FYI http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Charter_Extension
John Erickson: FYI http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Charter_Extension ←
14:07:14 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: Govt Linked Data WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/ -- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jul/0055.html
Ted Thibodeau: TallTed has changed the topic to: Govt Linked Data WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/ -- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jul/0055.html ←
14:07:15 <PhilA> sandro: It's done - we have the extension
Sandro Hawke: It's done - we have the extension ←
14:07:38 <PhilA> sandro: It hasn't been formally announced yet as it also refers to the eGov IG
Sandro Hawke: It hasn't been formally announced yet as it also refers to the eGov IG ←
14:08:07 <olyerickson> +1 to tahnking sandro
John Erickson: +1 to tahnking sandro ←
14:08:13 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Thansk to sandro for getting the extension sorted
Hadley Beeman: Thansk to sandro for getting the extension sorted ←
14:09:44 <bhyland1> +1 Phil for getting publications requested for publication, (requested 31/07/13).
Bernadette Hyland: +1 Phil for getting publications requested for publication, (requested 31/07/13). ←
14:09:58 <PhilA> PhilA: Explains that the eGov IG is closing and becoming a CG
Phil Archer: Explains that the eGov IG is closing and becoming a CG ←
14:10:05 <bhyland1> zakim, davidwood is me
Bernadette Hyland: zakim, davidwood is me ←
14:10:05 <Zakim> +bhyland1; got it
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14:10:10 <PhilA> topic: Update on deliverables
14:10:12 <bhyland1> zakim, who is on the call?
Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:10:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see fadmaa (muted), PhilA, Sandro, BenediktKaempgen, olyerickson, bhyland1, DaveReynolds1, HadleyBeeman, TallTed (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see fadmaa (muted), PhilA, Sandro, BenediktKaempgen, olyerickson, bhyland1, DaveReynolds1, HadleyBeeman, TallTed (muted) ←
14:10:16 <BenediktKaempgen> How about accepting minutes from last call?
Benedikt Kaempgen: How about accepting minutes from last call? ←
14:10:24 <olyerickson> 24 hours to steep...
John Erickson: 24 hours to steep... ←
14:10:29 <bhyland1> Topic: DCAT
14:10:29 <bhyland1> http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/
Bernadette Hyland: http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/ ←
14:10:32 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: DCAT has had its 24 hours' notice. It's now going to publication as 2nd LC
Hadley Beeman: DCAT has had its 24 hours' notice. It's now going to publication as 2nd LC ←
14:10:45 <olyerickson> +1 to previous call's minutes
John Erickson: +1 to previous call's minutes ←
14:10:45 <PhilA> topic: Pause for agreeing last week's minutes
14:10:50 <HadleyBeeman> previous minutes: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-07-18
Hadley Beeman: previous minutes: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-07-18 ←
14:10:59 <BenediktKaempgen> +1
Benedikt Kaempgen: +1 ←
14:11:37 <PhilA> bhyland1: The main wiki page has an error where the minutes for the 18 July go to May something...
Bernadette Hyland: The main wiki page has an error where the minutes for the 18 July go to May something... ←
14:11:38 <BenediktKaempgen> Bernadette: I just changed it.
Bernadette Hyland: I just changed it. [ Scribe Assist by Benedikt Kaempgen ] ←
14:12:55 <PhilA> bhyland1: How did you do that?
Bernadette Hyland: How did you do that? ←
14:13:02 <PhilA> BenediktKaempgen: I changed the annotation
Benedikt Kaempgen: I changed the annotation ←
14:13:13 <PhilA> BenediktKaempgen: But I diodn't change the accepted minutes from 20th June
Benedikt Kaempgen: But I diodn't change the accepted minutes from 20th June ←
14:13:22 <bhyland1> +1
Bernadette Hyland: +1 ←
14:13:25 <Zakim> + +34.63.926.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +34.63.926.aabb ←
14:13:26 <olyerickson> +1 to accepting previous call's minutes (with corrected links)
John Erickson: +1 to accepting previous call's minutes (with corrected links) ←
14:13:31 <DaveReynolds1> +1
Dave Reynolds: +1 ←
14:13:36 <BenediktKaempgen> +1
Benedikt Kaempgen: +1 ←
14:13:37 <fadmaa> +1
Fadi Maali: +1 ←
14:13:41 <HadleyBeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
14:13:48 <PhilA> RESOLVED: Minutes accepted from 2 weeks ago
RESOLVED: Minutes accepted from 2 weeks ago ←
14:14:20 <PhilA> -> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-07-18 minutes from 2 weeks ago
-> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-07-18 minutes from 2 weeks ago ←
14:14:36 <PhilA> bhyland1: Didn't we resolve to publish the DCAT UCR?
Bernadette Hyland: Didn't we resolve to publish the DCAT UCR? ←
14:14:47 <fadmaa> Zakim, unmute me
Fadi Maali: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:14:47 <Zakim> fadmaa should no longer be muted
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14:14:49 <olyerickson> Yes, that is what we discussed two weeks ago.
John Erickson: Yes, that is what we discussed two weeks ago. ←
14:14:56 <PhilA> discussion follows that says no, the minutes are correct. We resolved not to publish it.
discussion follows that says no, the minutes are correct. We resolved not to publish it. ←
14:14:58 <DaveReynolds1> That's my recollection too, we agreed to not publish DCAT UCR at all.
Dave Reynolds: That's my recollection too, we agreed to not publish DCAT UCR at all. ←
14:15:44 <bhyland1> Ok, thanks for swapping that back in so I have it.
Bernadette Hyland: Ok, thanks for swapping that back in so I have it. ←
14:15:47 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: John reports that we didn't follow the use case process (this is not entirely unusual)
Hadley Beeman: John reports that we didn't follow the use case process (this is not entirely unusual) ←
14:15:57 <PhilA> olyerickson: It just seemed a little bogus...
John Erickson: It just seemed a little bogus... ←
14:16:28 <PhilA> topic: Back to DCAT
14:16:35 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Are you happy fadmaa ?
Hadley Beeman: Are you happy fadmaa ? ←
14:16:40 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_LC_comments
Fadi Maali: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_LC_comments ←
14:16:54 <PhilA> fadmaa: I am happy with the current status. I've had one comment from Makx that I've recorded
Fadi Maali: I am happy with the current status. I've had one comment from Makx that I've recorded ←
14:17:18 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Bernadette and I will need to do a separate doc for the transition to CR. Should it be in a separate doc?
Hadley Beeman: Bernadette and I will need to do a separate doc for the transition to CR. Should it be in a separate doc? ←
14:17:36 <PhilA> fadmaa: I'm putting them in a different table in the same doc
Fadi Maali: I'm putting them in a different table in the same doc ←
14:18:02 <DaveReynolds1> q+
Dave Reynolds: q+ ←
14:18:11 <PhilA> ack DaveReynolds1
ack DaveReynolds1 ←
14:18:35 <PhilA> DaveReynolds1: I remember a post from Leigh Dodds asking for more detail on things like coverage - I've not seen that reflected
Dave Reynolds: I remember a post from Leigh Dodds asking for more detail on things like coverage - I've not seen that reflected ←
14:18:47 <PhilA> fadmaa: I think that was a comment on the first LC
Fadi Maali: I think that was a comment on the first LC ←
14:19:32 <PhilA> olyerickson: What was the request from Leigh?
John Erickson: What was the request from Leigh? ←
14:19:46 <PhilA> DaveReynolds1: It was editorial rather than content but it was a request for more guidance
Dave Reynolds: It was editorial rather than content but it was a request for more guidance ←
14:20:25 <PhilA> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2013Jun/0015.html Leigh'c comments
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2013Jun/0015.html Leigh's comments ←
14:20:30 <PhilA> s/'c/'s/
14:20:37 <olyerickson> Hard to hear fadmaa ...comment about what from whom?
John Erickson: Hard to hear fadmaa ...comment about what from whom? ←
14:20:59 <fadmaa> I haven't replied to this email
Fadi Maali: I haven't replied to this email ←
14:21:20 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: As long as Fadi does reply, we're OK I think?
Hadley Beeman: As long as Fadi does reply, we're OK I think? ←
14:21:25 <fadmaa> +1
Fadi Maali: +1 ←
14:21:28 <PhilA> olyerickson: Yes I think so
John Erickson: Yes I think so ←
14:21:46 <olyerickson> -1 to opening cans of words
John Erickson: -1 to opening cans of words ←
14:21:53 <olyerickson> ...or worms
John Erickson: ...or worms ←
14:21:59 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: There's the question about versioning going on. Can we wrap this into the usual LC process or does it provide additional complications?
Hadley Beeman: There's the question about versioning going on. Can we wrap this into the usual LC process or does it provide additional complications? ←
14:22:14 <PhilA> olyerickson: I'd like people's guidance on whether we have to deal with it
John Erickson: I'd like people's guidance on whether we have to deal with it ←
14:22:43 <PhilA> olyerickson: If it's the consensus that DCAT has to deal with versioning ina fine grained way than we need to inject it into the process (fade)
John Erickson: If it's the consensus that DCAT has to deal with versioning ina fine grained way than we need to inject it into the process (fade) ←
14:23:02 <olyerickson> read my email
John Erickson: read my email ←
14:23:03 <bhyland1> We're missing 3-5 words at a time
Bernadette Hyland: We're missing 3-5 words at a time ←
14:23:05 <olyerickson> ;)
John Erickson: ;) ←
14:23:16 <PhilA> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Aug/0005.html John's comments on this
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Aug/0005.html John's comments on this ←
14:23:48 <olyerickson> do we have to accomodate every request that comes up? is dcat as defined really broken?
John Erickson: do we have to accomodate every request that comes up? is dcat as defined really broken? ←
14:24:26 <PhilA> -> http://www.w3.org/2013/05/odbp-charter.html DWBP WG charter
-> http://www.w3.org/2013/05/odbp-charter.html DWBP WG charter ←
14:24:56 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
14:25:01 <DaveReynolds1> q-
Dave Reynolds: q- ←
14:25:27 <PhilA> PhilA: I agree with John's mail, but point to the DWBP as a possible future place to work on this
Phil Archer: I agree with John's mail, but point to the DWBP as a possible future place to work on this ←
14:25:36 <PhilA> sandro: It was in our original charter
Sandro Hawke: It was in our original charter ←
14:25:46 <olyerickson> +1 to responsive...+1 to careful thoughtful ;)
John Erickson: +1 to responsive...+1 to careful thoughtful ;) ←
14:25:59 <PhilA> sandro: In terms of process, we have to respond, whether we actually agree with it or not - i.e. we don't have do what people ask
Sandro Hawke: In terms of process, we have to respond, whether we actually agree with it or not - i.e. we don't have do what people ask ←
14:26:03 <olyerickson> Q
John Erickson: Q ←
14:26:06 <olyerickson> Q+
John Erickson: Q+ ←
14:26:09 <sandro> q-
Sandro Hawke: q- ←
14:26:14 <MakxDekkers> q+
Makx Dekkers: q+ ←
14:26:39 <PhilA> olyerickson: Is it incumbent on us in our thoughtful response to offer solutions to their request?
John Erickson: Is it incumbent on us in our thoughtful response to offer solutions to their request? ←
14:27:06 <PhilA> ... we might be trying to solve a speculative problem
... we might be trying to solve a speculative problem ←
14:27:31 <PhilA> sandro: We can find a polite version of "we really don't have the capacity to deal with this now."
Sandro Hawke: We can find a polite version of "we really don't have the capacity to deal with this now." ←
14:27:58 <PhilA> olyerickson: OK, that's more or less what I said - although I may have been more forceful than is strictly necessary
John Erickson: OK, that's more or less what I said - although I may have been more forceful than is strictly necessary ←
14:28:22 <PhilA> olyerickson: Some of the things we proposed to discuss in BPs are either out of scope or we don't have time for.
John Erickson: Some of the things we proposed to discuss in BPs are either out of scope or we don't have time for. ←
14:28:35 <fadmaa> this was raised before see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2013May/0016.html
Fadi Maali: this was raised before see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2013May/0016.html ←
14:28:42 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Refers to her e-mail http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Aug/0002.html#
Hadley Beeman: Refers to her e-mail http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Aug/0002.html# ←
14:29:04 <MakxDekkers> q+
Makx Dekkers: q+ ←
14:29:09 <olyerickson> Q-
John Erickson: Q- ←
14:29:16 <PhilA> q- olyerickson
q- olyerickson ←
14:29:32 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me
Fadi Maali: Zakim, mute me ←
14:29:32 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: fadmaa should now be muted ←
14:29:32 <PhilA> bhyland1: We're not dealing with versioning in the BP doc but there is language around the issues
Bernadette Hyland: We're not dealing with versioning in the BP doc but there is language around the issues ←
14:29:58 <MakxDekkers> q+
Makx Dekkers: q+ ←
14:30:00 <PhilA> bhyland1: We offer advice on URLs persisting in perpetuity - is that OK?
Bernadette Hyland: We offer advice on URLs persisting in perpetuity - is that OK? ←
14:30:07 <DaveReynolds1> q+
Dave Reynolds: q+ ←
14:30:10 <olyerickson> +1 to language about considering versioning in metadata (and perhaps naming)
John Erickson: +1 to language about considering versioning in metadata (and perhaps naming) ←
14:30:25 <PhilA> ack MakxDekkers
ack MakxDekkers ←
14:31:06 <PhilA> MakxDekkers: I wanted to make the point that the question that Antoine had has a simple answer - ADMS has a mthod for this (adms:next/prev etc.)
Makx Dekkers: I wanted to make the point that the question that Antoine had has a simple answer - ADMS has a mthod for this (adms:next/prev etc.) ←
14:31:29 <olyerickson> ADMS is thwe subclass that a provider should adopt if they need to indicate version relationships
John Erickson: ADMS is thwe subclass that a provider should adopt if they need to indicate version relationships ←
14:31:33 <PhilA> ... so what Antoine was asking was what effect it has that ADMS classes are sub classes of DCAT
... so what Antoine was asking was what effect it has that ADMS classes are sub classes of DCAT ←
14:32:24 <PhilA> MakxDekkers: Another point that came out in the DCAT Application profile was how to point between different versions and we decided to just use the ADMS next and prev properties - maybe people can look at that
Makx Dekkers: Another point that came out in the DCAT Application profile was how to point between different versions and we decided to just use the ADMS next and prev properties - maybe people can look at that ←
14:32:31 <olyerickson> The point of a subclass is to be a specialization of the superclass...in this case w.r.t. version relationships
John Erickson: The point of a subclass is to be a specialization of the superclass...in this case w.r.t. version relationships ←
14:32:44 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Going back to process - the DCAT LC process should be sufficient?
Hadley Beeman: Going back to process - the DCAT LC process should be sufficient? ←
14:32:45 <MakxDekkers> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
14:32:46 <olyerickson> +1 to happy
John Erickson: +1 to happy ←
14:32:48 <PhilA> PhilA: Yes
Phil Archer: Yes ←
14:32:48 <fadmaa> +1
Fadi Maali: +1 ←
14:32:53 <HadleyBeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
14:32:54 <BenediktKaempgen> +1
Benedikt Kaempgen: +1 ←
14:32:57 <PhilA> ack DaveReynolds1
ack DaveReynolds1 ←
14:32:57 <DaveReynolds1> ack me
Dave Reynolds: ack me ←
14:33:48 <MakxDekkers> +q
Makx Dekkers: +q ←
14:34:05 <PhilA> DaveReynolds1: I read Phil's message raising a slightly different issue. ADMS says that you can have different versions and then you need a different URI. Can an ADMS:Asset be modified without creating a new asset?
Dave Reynolds: I read Phil's message raising a slightly different issue. ADMS says that you can have different versions and then you need a different URI. Can an ADMS:Asset be modified without creating a new asset? ←
14:34:24 <PhilA> ... if so, then we're OK. If not then there's a problem with subclassing DCAT
... if so, then we're OK. If not then there's a problem with subclassing DCAT ←
14:34:43 <HadleyBeeman> ack makx
Hadley Beeman: ack makx ←
14:34:57 <PhilA> MakxDekkers: I gave an example http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jul/0052.html
Makx Dekkers: I gave an example http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jul/0052.html ←
14:35:10 <PhilA> MakxDekkers: ADMS gives you the option to do either
Makx Dekkers: ADMS gives you the option to do either ←
14:35:16 <olyerickson> +1 to closing DCAT as topic
John Erickson: +1 to closing DCAT as topic ←
14:35:17 <PhilA> DaveReynolds1: OK, I'm happy
Dave Reynolds: OK, I'm happy ←
14:35:21 <PhilA> topic: ORG
14:35:44 <PhilA> DaveReynolds1: Not much happening. We haven't had comments or implementation reports
Dave Reynolds: Not much happening. We haven't had comments or implementation reports ←
14:35:56 <PhilA> ... all is quiet. No problems but nothing else either
... all is quiet. No problems but nothing else either ←
14:36:07 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Can we help stir up those implementation reports
Hadley Beeman: Can we help stir up those implementation reports ←
14:36:16 <PhilA> DaveReynolds1: Yes please!
Dave Reynolds: Yes please! ←
14:36:32 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Pls remind us where the implementation reports are
Hadley Beeman: Pls remind us where the implementation reports are ←
14:36:38 <PhilA> topic: Data Cube
14:36:51 <PhilA> DaveReynolds1: We've had some reports around QB visualisations and one around datasets
Dave Reynolds: We've had some reports around QB visualisations and one around datasets ←
14:37:09 <PhilA> ... we have a report on unintended incomplete integrity constraints
... we have a report on unintended incomplete integrity constraints ←
14:37:17 <PhilA> ... we've decided to leave that
... we've decided to leave that ←
14:37:30 <PhilA> or rather just make an editorial change
or rather just make an editorial change ←
14:37:58 <PhilA> ... and we had someone pointing out some other ed changes that coule be made concerning the range of a property
... and we had someone pointing out some other ed changes that coule be made concerning the range of a property ←
14:38:01 <bhyland1> zakim, who is on the call?
Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:38:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see fadmaa (muted), PhilA, Sandro, BenediktKaempgen, olyerickson, bhyland1, DaveReynolds1, HadleyBeeman, TallTed (muted), +34.63.926.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see fadmaa (muted), PhilA, Sandro, BenediktKaempgen, olyerickson, bhyland1, DaveReynolds1, HadleyBeeman, TallTed (muted), +34.63.926.aabb ←
14:38:08 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Do you have a sense of the timeline?
Hadley Beeman: Do you have a sense of the timeline? ←
14:38:42 <PhilA> sandro: Procedurally it takes about 6 weeks - 2 months from CR to Rec
Sandro Hawke: Procedurally it takes about 6 weeks - 2 months from CR to Rec ←
14:38:52 <PhilA> ... so we should try to be done with CR by end October
... so we should try to be done with CR by end October ←
14:39:04 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: So what's to do after we have the implementation reports
Hadley Beeman: So what's to do after we have the implementation reports ←
14:39:16 <DaveReynolds1> How to submit QB implementation report (links to table of implementations): http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/How_to_submit_a_Data_Cube_Implementation_Report
Dave Reynolds: How to submit QB implementation report (links to table of implementations): http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/How_to_submit_a_Data_Cube_Implementation_Report ←
14:39:26 <bhyland1> q+
Bernadette Hyland: q+ ←
14:39:37 <PhilA> sandro: There's a Director call to have with the chairs and Dave but procedurally after that it's up to the team
Sandro Hawke: There's a Director call to have with the chairs and Dave but procedurally after that it's up to the team ←
14:39:53 <PhilA> bhyland1: Given our track record I think we should try and use end September as a deadline
Bernadette Hyland: Given our track record I think we should try and use end September as a deadline ←
14:39:56 <PhilA> ack bhyland1
ack bhyland1 ←
14:40:01 <DaveReynolds1> How to submit ORG report: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/How_to_submit_an_ORG_Implementation_Report
Dave Reynolds: How to submit ORG report: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/How_to_submit_an_ORG_Implementation_Report ←
14:40:08 <PhilA> ... i.e. we shouldn't wait until end Oct
... i.e. we shouldn't wait until end Oct ←
14:40:11 <HadleyBeeman> thanks for those links, davereynolds1
Hadley Beeman: thanks for those links, davereynolds1 ←
14:40:23 <PhilA> sandro: It's not us, it's implementers
Sandro Hawke: It's not us, it's implementers ←
14:40:29 <PhilA> bhyland1: Yes, but we need to shout about it
Bernadette Hyland: Yes, but we need to shout about it ←
14:40:32 <PhilA> sandro: yes of course
Sandro Hawke: yes of course ←
14:41:14 <PhilA> sandro: I'm having difficulty remembering whether we're asking for data producers or data consumers
Sandro Hawke: I'm having difficulty remembering whether we're asking for data producers or data consumers ←
14:41:26 <PhilA> DaveReynolds1 It's primarily data.
DaveReynolds1 It's primarily data producers. ←
14:41:35 <PhilA> ... we've given people a way to submit the data
... we've given people a way to submit the data ←
14:41:42 <PhilA> ... and visualisations are useful.
... and visualisations are useful. ←
14:41:52 <bhyland1> s/primarily data/primarily data producers
14:41:54 <PhilA> ... for transitions it's about whether enough of the vocab has been used
... for transitions it's about whether enough of the vocab has been used ←
14:42:30 <PhilA> DaveReynolds1: It's the change event stuff that is at risk for ORG
Dave Reynolds: It's the change event stuff that is at risk for ORG ←
14:42:44 <PhilA> ... for QB it's the integrity checks that are at risk
... for QB it's the integrity checks that are at risk ←
14:43:23 <PhilA> ... for QB we have a lot of implementation reports in that a lot of people have used QB. We have those. What we need is people toa ctually submit the data so we can look at the use of the integrity checks etc.
... for QB we have a lot of implementation reports in that a lot of people have used QB. We have those. What we need is people toa ctually submit the data so we can look at the use of the integrity checks etc. ←
14:43:38 <PhilA> sandro: So we need to nicely reach out to people we know exist and ask for a little more info
Sandro Hawke: So we need to nicely reach out to people we know exist and ask for a little more info ←
14:44:02 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: So I think that leaves us with everyone helping Dave to get more implementations
Hadley Beeman: So I think that leaves us with everyone helping Dave to get more implementations ←
14:44:13 <PhilA> topic: Best Practices
14:44:34 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: You were hoping to have a public doc by the end of August, Bernadette?
Hadley Beeman: You were hoping to have a public doc by the end of August, Bernadette? ←
14:44:47 <PhilA> bhyland1: There have been a fair number of edits during June and July
Bernadette Hyland: There have been a fair number of edits during June and July ←
14:45:11 <PhilA> bhyland1: Biplav was anxious that Martin Kaltenboek's info was included. Taking a meta level approach
Bernadette Hyland: Biplav was anxious that Martin Kaltenboek's info was included. Taking a meta level approach ←
14:45:28 <PhilA> ... it's for people whoa re champions within their organisations we want to reach
... it's for people whoa re champions within their organisations we want to reach ←
14:46:21 <PhilA> bhyland1: Basic message from Biplav was please don't drop this important point. The other two editors have been working on it so I think we're on track and on time
Bernadette Hyland: Basic message from Biplav was please don't drop this important point. The other two editors have been working on it so I think we're on track and on time ←
14:46:33 <PhilA> ... and it links across to the LD glossary
... and it links across to the LD glossary ←
14:46:52 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Anything else we should be looking at?
Hadley Beeman: Anything else we should be looking at? ←
14:47:12 <PhilA> bhyland1: We need people to look at it during August before we start making public noise about it
Bernadette Hyland: We need people to look at it during August before we start making public noise about it ←
14:47:26 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: So we're at the end of the agenda. Anything else? Looks at tracker
Hadley Beeman: So we're at the end of the agenda. Anything else? Looks at tracker ←
14:47:41 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/68
Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/68 ←
14:47:48 <PhilA> issue-68?
14:47:48 <trackbot> ISSUE-68 -- QB validation rules miss a potentially common case -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-68 -- QB validation rules miss a potentially common case -- open ←
14:47:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/68
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/68 ←
14:48:15 <PhilA> DaveReynolds1: We responded that we've made the changes but haven't had any push back on it. We could close it or put it in pending review?
Dave Reynolds: We responded that we've made the changes but haven't had any push back on it. We could close it or put it in pending review? ←
14:48:25 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Is there a chance that we might get pushback?
Hadley Beeman: Is there a chance that we might get pushback? ←
14:48:41 <PhilA> DaveReynolds1: ... sandro you were going to check with W3C folks?
Dave Reynolds: ... sandro you were going to check with W3C folks? ←
14:48:52 <PhilA> ack sandro
ack sandro ←
14:49:18 <bhyland1> Action: bhyland1 Fold in 10 steps to Linked Open Data from Denise W & Martin K, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jun/0016.html
ACTION: bhyland1 Fold in 10 steps to Linked Open Data from Denise W & Martin K, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jun/0016.html ←
14:49:18 <trackbot> Error finding 'bhyland1'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/users>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'bhyland1'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/users>. ←
14:49:28 <PhilA> sandro: I seem to have forgotten that... I think I asked if you could write it up a bit.
Sandro Hawke: I seem to have forgotten that... I think I asked if you could write it up a bit. ←
14:49:30 <HadleyBeeman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2013Jul/0017.html
Hadley Beeman: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2013Jul/0017.html ←
14:49:32 <PhilA> DaveReynolds1: I sent an e-mail
Dave Reynolds: I sent an e-mail ←
14:49:38 <PhilA> sandro: Yes you did and I didn't do anything...
Sandro Hawke: Yes you did and I didn't do anything... ←
14:49:47 <PhilA> q?
q? ←
14:49:52 <PhilA> q- bhyland1
q- bhyland1 ←
14:49:57 <PhilA> q- bhyland
q- bhyland ←
14:50:09 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: So it's with Sandro and pending review
Hadley Beeman: So it's with Sandro and pending review ←
14:50:21 <PhilA> issue-6?
14:50:21 <trackbot> ISSUE-6 -- How should publishers figure out good URIs for properties with non-literal ranges? -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-6 -- How should publishers figure out good URIs for properties with non-literal ranges? -- raised ←
14:50:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/6
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/6 ←
14:50:38 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Is this just hanging up? Can we do anything?
Hadley Beeman: Is this just hanging up? Can we do anything? ←
14:50:47 <bhyland1> Action: bhyland Fold in 10 steps to Linked Open Data from Denise W & Martin K, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jun/0016.html
ACTION: bhyland Fold in 10 steps to Linked Open Data from Denise W & Martin K, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jun/0016.html ←
14:50:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-148 - Fold in 10 steps to Linked Open Data from Denise W & Martin K, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jun/0016.html [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2013-08-08].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-148 - Fold in 10 steps to Linked Open Data from Denise W & Martin K, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jun/0016.html [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2013-08-08]. ←
14:51:14 <bhyland1> q+
Bernadette Hyland: q+ ←
14:51:41 <olyerickson> never mind
John Erickson: never mind ←
14:51:56 <olyerickson> never mind
John Erickson: never mind ←
14:52:05 <fadmaa> that was before DCAT profiles and conformance
Fadi Maali: that was before DCAT profiles and conformance ←
14:52:07 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: It comes from eGov from ages ago...
Hadley Beeman: It comes from eGov from ages ago... ←
14:52:12 <fadmaa> I suggest we close it
Fadi Maali: I suggest we close it ←
14:52:15 <olyerickson> Q+
John Erickson: Q+ ←
14:52:18 <fadmaa> Zakim, unmute me
Fadi Maali: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:52:18 <Zakim> fadmaa should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: fadmaa should no longer be muted ←
14:52:34 <olyerickson> fadmaa: is veeery faint...
Fadi Maali: is veeery faint... [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←
14:52:53 <PhilA> fadmaa: ... [largely inaudible]
Fadi Maali: ... [largely inaudible] ←
14:53:06 <olyerickson> Q-
John Erickson: Q- ←
14:53:16 <PhilA> fadmaa: Talks about things like the DCAT Application profile.
Fadi Maali: Talks about things like the DCAT Application profile. ←
14:53:27 <PhilA> ... now that we have profiles, that seems to take care of it
... now that we have profiles, that seems to take care of it ←
14:53:42 <fadmaa> sure
Fadi Maali: sure ←
14:53:48 <olyerickson> I think ISSUE-6 is way out of scope, EVEN for BP
John Erickson: I think ISSUE-6 is way out of scope, EVEN for BP ←
14:53:49 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Can you please put something in IRC or a mail so we can close it?
Hadley Beeman: Can you please put something in IRC or a mail so we can close it? ←
14:53:50 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me
Fadi Maali: Zakim, mute me ←
14:53:50 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: fadmaa should now be muted ←
14:53:51 <PhilA> q?
q? ←
14:53:57 <PhilA> ack bhyland1
ack bhyland1 ←
14:54:00 <bhyland1> https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/users/47262
Bernadette Hyland: https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/users/47262 ←
14:54:02 <PhilA> ack bhyland
ack bhyland ←
14:54:22 <olyerickson> This was closed, cygri re-opened it, and I still think it is out-of-scope
John Erickson: This was closed, cygri re-opened it, and I still think it is out-of-scope ←
14:54:38 <PhilA> bhyland1: I have a whole bunch of actions that are open - do we need to go through them all on the call?
Bernadette Hyland: I have a whole bunch of actions that are open - do we need to go through them all on the call? ←
14:54:46 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: I think you can go through them
Hadley Beeman: I think you can go through them ←
14:55:01 <olyerickson> Unless we have specific worked examples about the suggested URI designs, what can we actually say that is substantitive
John Erickson: Unless we have specific worked examples about the suggested URI designs, what can we actually say that is substantitive ←
14:55:16 <PhilA> sandro: I see an action as a promise. We normally do them within the group but if it's really obvious that time has moved on then I'd say go ahead and close them
Sandro Hawke: I see an action as a promise. We normally do them within the group but if it's really obvious that time has moved on then I'd say go ahead and close them ←
14:55:17 <fadmaa> This issue mainly concerns how publishers can choose good URIs for values of non-literal properties such as dct_spatial and dct_temporal...
Fadi Maali: This issue mainly concerns how publishers can choose good URIs for values of non-literal properties such as dct_spatial and dct_temporal... ←
14:55:30 <bhyland1> ack bhyland
Bernadette Hyland: ack bhyland ←
14:55:39 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: maybe where necessary you could send a note to the list
Hadley Beeman: maybe where necessary you could send a note to the list ←
14:55:44 <PhilA> q+
q+ ←
14:55:53 <PhilA> ack me
ack me ←
14:57:13 <olyerickson> POINT OF ORDER: Are we still talking about "ISSUE-6?" If not, what was our disposition of the issue?
John Erickson: POINT OF ORDER: Are we still talking about "ISSUE-6?" If not, what was our disposition of the issue? ←
14:57:29 <sandro> issue-6?
14:57:29 <trackbot> ISSUE-6 -- How should publishers figure out good URIs for properties with non-literal ranges? -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-6 -- How should publishers figure out good URIs for properties with non-literal ranges? -- raised ←
14:57:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/6
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/6 ←
14:57:58 <HadleyBeeman> olyerickson: no, this is not issue-6. Fadi is going to send us an email to explain the closure of Issue-6, and then it will be closed.
John Erickson: no, this is not ISSUE-6. Fadi is going to send us an email to explain the closure of ISSUE-6, and then it will be closed. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
14:58:21 <olyerickson> HadleyBeeman: thanks...excellent
Hadley Beeman: thanks...excellent [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←
14:58:54 <olyerickson> Thanks all!
John Erickson: Thanks all! ←
14:59:00 <olyerickson> PhilA: have a great holiday!
Phil Archer: have a great holiday! [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←
14:59:02 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: No meeting next week. Next meeting is 16 August
Hadley Beeman: No meeting next week. Next meeting is 15 August ←
14:59:03 <BenediktKaempgen> thanks!
Benedikt Kaempgen: thanks! ←
14:59:03 <Zakim> -TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed ←
14:59:04 <MakxDekkers> bye
Makx Dekkers: bye ←
14:59:04 <Zakim> -olyerickson
Zakim IRC Bot: -olyerickson ←
14:59:06 <Zakim> -bhyland1
Zakim IRC Bot: -bhyland1 ←
14:59:08 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←
14:59:09 <Zakim> -fadmaa
Zakim IRC Bot: -fadmaa ←
14:59:10 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds1
Zakim IRC Bot: -DaveReynolds1 ←
14:59:13 <Zakim> -PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: -PhilA ←
14:59:14 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
14:59:14 <Zakim> -BenediktKaempgen
Zakim IRC Bot: -BenediktKaempgen ←
14:59:21 <Zakim> - +34.63.926.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: - +34.63.926.aabb ←
14:59:22 <Zakim> T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended ←
14:59:22 <Zakim> Attendees were +35386100aaaa, fadmaa, PhilA, Sandro, BenediktKaempgen, DaveReynolds1, olyerickson, HadleyBeeman, TallTed, bhyland1, +34.63.926.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +35386100aaaa, fadmaa, PhilA, Sandro, BenediktKaempgen, DaveReynolds1, olyerickson, HadleyBeeman, TallTed, bhyland1, +34.63.926.aabb ←
14:59:26 <HadleyBeeman> s/16 August/15 August
14:59:38 <bhyland1> Ah, one question I meant to people was what are people using for conversion of simple tabular data to RDF?
Bernadette Hyland: Ah, one question I meant to people was what are people using for conversion of simple tabular data to RDF? ←
15:00:02 <bhyland1> Google Fusion still?
Bernadette Hyland: Google Fusion still? ←
15:00:05 <bhyland1> other tools?
Bernadette Hyland: other tools? ←
15:01:30 <PhilA> bhyland1: Ha! we have a whole WG about to look at that :-) http://www.w3.org/2013/05/lcsv-charter.html
Bernadette Hyland: Ha! we have a whole WG about to look at that :-) http://www.w3.org/2013/05/lcsv-charter.html ←
15:01:52 <PhilA> but I think the answer is Open Refine (n�e Google Refine)
but I think the answer is Open Refine (n�e Google Refine) ←
15:05:20 <bhyland1> @PhilA, right it is a critical subject to have discussion & define best practices for but in the meantime, I need a recommendation for a working economist who wants to convert very simple tabular data to RDF.
Bernadette Hyland: @PhilA, right it is a critical subject to have discussion & define best practices for but in the meantime, I need a recommendation for a working economist who wants to convert very simple tabular data to RDF. ←
15:05:55 <bhyland1> Right, http://code.google.com/p/google-refine/
Bernadette Hyland: Right, http://code.google.com/p/google-refine/ ←
15:06:27 <bhyland1> That looks fine for his purposes & he is a Google Docs user so that is helpful.
Bernadette Hyland: That looks fine for his purposes & he is a Google Docs user so that is helpful. ←
15:07:38 <bhyland1> Take #2 - it has been moved to GitHub, see https://github.com/OpenRefine
Bernadette Hyland: Take #2 - it has been moved to GitHub, see https://github.com/OpenRefine ←
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