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GLD 17 October 2013

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Bernadette Hyland, Dave Reynolds, Deirdre Lee, Ghislain Atemezing, Hadley Beeman, Joao Almeida, John Erickson, Phil Archer, Sandro Hawke, Sumit Purohit, Tope Omitola
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12:26:09 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-gld-irc

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12:26:11 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

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12:26:13 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD

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12:26:13 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

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12:26:14 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
12:26:14 <trackbot> Date: 17 October 2013
14:01:03 <olyerickson> zakim, [ipcaller] is me.

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John Erickson: zakim, [ipcaller] is me.

14:01:04 <Zakim> sorry, olyerickson, I do not recognize a party named '[ipcaller]'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, olyerickson, I do not recognize a party named '[ipcaller]'

14:01:13 <PhilA> zakim, code?

Phil Archer: zakim, code?

14:01:13 <Zakim> sorry, PhilA, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, PhilA, I don't know what conference this is

14:01:16 <olyerickson> zakim: harumph...
14:01:21 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, this is gld

Hadley Beeman: zakim, this is gld

14:01:21 <Zakim> ok, HadleyBeeman; that matches T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, HadleyBeeman; that matches T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM

14:01:22 <PhilA> zakim, this is GLD

Phil Archer: zakim, this is GLD

14:01:22 <Zakim> PhilA, this was already T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, this was already T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM

14:01:23 <Zakim> ok, PhilA; that matches T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, PhilA; that matches T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM

14:01:27 <PhilA> zakim, code?

Phil Archer: zakim, code?

14:01:27 <Zakim> the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA

14:01:36 <atemezin> zakim,who is here?

Ghislain Atemezing: zakim,who is here?

14:01:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, [IPcaller], +1.617.646.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, [IPcaller], +1.617.646.aaaa

14:01:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see HadleyBeeman, PhilA, bhyland, JoaoPauloAlmeida, olyerickson, atemezin, DaveReynolds, TallTed, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see HadleyBeeman, PhilA, bhyland, JoaoPauloAlmeida, olyerickson, atemezin, DaveReynolds, TallTed, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, sandro

14:01:53 <Zakim> +??P27

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27

14:02:07 <Zakim> +??P24

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24

14:02:15 <PhilA> zakim, ipcaller is olyerickson

Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller is olyerickson

14:02:19 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +olyerickson; got it

14:02:20 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman

14:02:29 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here?

14:02:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, olyerickson, +1.617.646.aaaa, ??P27, ??P24, HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, olyerickson, +1.617.646.aaaa, ??P27, ??P24, HadleyBeeman

14:02:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see HadleyBeeman, PhilA, bhyland, JoaoPauloAlmeida, olyerickson, atemezin, DaveReynolds, TallTed, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see HadleyBeeman, PhilA, bhyland, JoaoPauloAlmeida, olyerickson, atemezin, DaveReynolds, TallTed, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, sandro

14:02:37 <PhilA> zakim, P24 is me

Phil Archer: zakim, P24 is me

14:02:38 <Zakim> sorry, PhilA, I do not recognize a party named 'P24'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, PhilA, I do not recognize a party named 'P24'

14:02:42 <Zakim> +bhyland

Zakim IRC Bot: +bhyland

14:02:43 <PhilA> zakim, ??P24 is me

Phil Archer: zakim, ??P24 is me

14:02:44 <Zakim> +PhilA; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +PhilA; got it

14:03:00 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:03:25 <HadleyBeeman> Agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20131017

Hadley Beeman: Agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20131017

14:03:27 <PhilA> meeting: GLD 17 October 2013
14:03:32 <DaveReynolds> ack ??P27

Dave Reynolds: ack ??P27

14:03:33 <olyerickson> +1 to fadi-by-proxy

John Erickson: +1 to fadi-by-proxy

14:03:47 <atemezin> me Hi Dave...Can report this application http://semantics.eurecom.fr/datalift/PerfectSchool/ consuming cube vocab for the implementation report?

Ghislain Atemezing: me Hi Dave...Can report this application http://semantics.eurecom.fr/datalift/PerfectSchool/ consuming cube vocab for the implementation report?

14:03:49 <PhilA> PhilA has changed the topic to: GLD 17 October 2013

Phil Archer: PhilA has changed the topic to: GLD 17 October 2013

14:03:56 <PhilA> chair: HadleyBeeman
14:03:57 <bhyland> chair: HadleyBeeman
14:04:02 <bhyland> scribe: bhyland

(Scribe set to Bernadette Hyland)

14:04:20 <DaveReynolds> Hi, sure send a report to the list and I'll a link to the page

Dave Reynolds: Hi, sure send a report to the list and I'll a link to the page

14:04:23 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here?

14:04:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, olyerickson, +1.617.646.aaaa, DaveReynolds, PhilA, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, olyerickson, +1.617.646.aaaa, DaveReynolds, PhilA, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, [IPcaller]

14:04:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see Deirdrelee, HadleyBeeman, PhilA, bhyland, JoaoPauloAlmeida, olyerickson, atemezin, DaveReynolds, TallTed, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Deirdrelee, HadleyBeeman, PhilA, bhyland, JoaoPauloAlmeida, olyerickson, atemezin, DaveReynolds, TallTed, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, sandro

14:04:40 <atemezin> Ok. Thanks Dave!

Ghislain Atemezing: Ok. Thanks Dave!

14:05:06 <Deirdrelee> zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Deirdre Lee: zakim, [IPcaller] is me

14:05:06 <Zakim> +Deirdrelee; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Deirdrelee; got it

14:05:33 <PhilA> zakim, aaaa is Sumit

Phil Archer: zakim, aaaa is Sumit

14:05:33 <Zakim> +Sumit; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sumit; got it

14:05:36 <Zakim> +??P40

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P40

14:05:46 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> ??P40 is me

Joao Almeida: ??P40 is me

14:05:52 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P40 is me

Joao Almeida: Zakim, ??P40 is me

14:05:52 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

14:06:02 <PhilA> PhilA: Apologises in advance for almost certainly misspelling the Pacific NW

Phil Archer: Apologises in advance for almost certainly misspelling the Pacific NW [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

14:06:05 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?

zakim, who is on the call?

14:06:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, olyerickson, Sumit, DaveReynolds, PhilA, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, Deirdrelee, JoaoPauloAlmeida

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, olyerickson, Sumit, DaveReynolds, PhilA, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, Deirdrelee, JoaoPauloAlmeida

14:06:22 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.4.93.00.aabb

14:07:23 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-08-01

Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-08-01

14:08:08 <bhyland> There appear to be a missing set of meetings for http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-08-15

There appear to be a missing set of meetings for http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-08-15

14:08:18 <atemezin> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/

Ghislain Atemezing: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/

14:08:49 <bhyland> OK, the minutes are there but not linked to in the main wiki

OK, the minutes are there but not linked to in the main wiki

14:08:54 <DaveReynolds> +1 to accept minutes

Dave Reynolds: +1 to accept minutes

14:08:59 <bhyland> (I'll fix later)

(I'll fix later)

14:09:02 <atemezin> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1

14:09:04 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1

Joao Almeida: +1

14:09:04 <olyerickson> +1 to minuts

John Erickson: +1 to minuts

14:09:29 <bhyland> Accepted minutes from 20130815

Accepted minutes from 20130815

14:10:24 <bhyland> q+

q+

14:10:29 <olyerickson> Q+

John Erickson: Q+

14:11:25 <bhyland> Topic: DCAT status

1. DCAT status

14:11:29 <bhyland> Fadi Maali <fadi.maali@deri.org>

Fadi Maali <fadi.maali@deri.org>

14:11:29 <bhyland> Resent-From: W3C public GLD WG WG <public-gld-wg@w3.org>

Scribe problem: the name 'Resent-From' does not match any of the 72 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Agis Papantoniou Aitor Moreno Asunción Gómez Pérez Bart van Leeuwen Bede McCall Benedikt Kaempgen Bernadette Hyland Biplav Srivastava Boris Villazón-Terrazas Caroline Burle Chris Beer Chris Musialek Christophe Gueret Cory Casanave Daniel Mekonnen Daniel Vila Dave Reynolds David Smith David Price Deirdre Lee Denise Warzel Dickson Lukose Elena Montiel Ponsoda Eric VonColln Eric Stephan Fadi Maali George Thomas Gerald Steeman Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gofran Shukair Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Irene Polikoff James McKinney Jindřich Mynarz Joao Almeida John Goodwin John Sheridan John Erickson Jorge Gracia Luis Bermudez Lyle Burgoon Makx Dekkers Maria Fernandez Ruiz Marios Meimaris Martin Kaltenböck Martín Álvarez Michael Pendleton Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naomi Yoshizawa Phil Archer Raf Buyle Raj Singh Raphaël Troncy Richard Cyganiak Sandro Hawke Sarven Capadisli Serafin Olcoz Stasinos Konstantopoulos Sumit Purohit Ted Thibodeau Tina Gheen Tope Omitola William Brafford Yaso Córdova Yigal Arens Yosuke Funahashi Zachary Whitley Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Resent-From: W3C public GLD WG WG <public-gld-wg@w3.org>

14:11:29 <bhyland> To: Public GLD WG <public-gld-wg@w3.org>

Tope Omitola: Public GLD WG <public-gld-wg@w3.org>

14:11:29 <bhyland> Cc: Deirdre Lee <deirdre.lee@deri.org>, Makx Dekkers <makx@makxdekkers.com>, Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>, Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>and cc

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14:11:30 <bhyland> status of DCAT

status of DCAT

14:11:44 <PhilA> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Oct/0004.html Fadi's mail

Phil Archer: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Oct/0004.html Fadi's mail

14:12:12 <olyerickson> q+

John Erickson: q+

14:12:20 <olyerickson> q+++

John Erickson: q+++

14:13:21 <PhilA> See for example http://schema.org/DataCatalog

Phil Archer: See for example http://schema.org/DataCatalog

14:13:55 <bhyland> bhyland: Given the importance & visibility of DCAT in the overall open data community, I personally would like to see it ushered through and have some ideas for how to give some support to Fadi IF he is still willing to be the main facilitator.

Bernadette Hyland: Given the importance & visibility of DCAT in the overall open data community, I personally would like to see it ushered through and have some ideas for how to give some support to Fadi IF he is still willing to be the main facilitator.

14:14:08 <DaveReynolds> q+

Dave Reynolds: q+

14:14:27 <DaveReynolds> q-

Dave Reynolds: q-

14:14:27 <PhilA> q- olyerickson

Phil Archer: q- olyerickson

14:14:37 <olyerickson> q- ++

John Erickson: q- ++

14:14:45 <bhyland> olyerickson: What type of documentation do we require from users of DCAT (Woods Hole, EU organizations, etc) to demonstrate implementation of the proposed document.

John Erickson: What type of documentation do we require from users of DCAT (Woods Hole, EU organizations, etc) to demonstrate implementation of the proposed document.

14:14:48 <bhyland> ack bhyland

ack bhyland

14:15:31 <bhyland> Sandro: The W3C requirements are pretty flexible. We can take an email from the organization that confirms they've read the spec, they are using the following terms, they conform to the spec.

Sandro Hawke: The W3C requirements are pretty flexible. We can take an email from the organization that confirms they've read the spec, they are using the following terms, they conform to the spec.

14:15:50 <bhyland> … If there are terms that no one is using, it is questionable as to whether they should remain in the spec.

… If there are terms that no one is using, it is questionable as to whether they should remain in the spec.

14:16:34 <bhyland> olyerickson: Yes, that process/approach makes sense. Remaining issue is complete coverage because DCAT anticipates a broader set of terms than a given LD publisher is likely to use.

John Erickson: Yes, that process/approach makes sense. Remaining issue is complete coverage because DCAT anticipates a broader set of terms than a given LD publisher is likely to use.

14:17:02 <bhyland> Sandro: any given publisher doesn't need to use all terms, just coverage overall between the implementors.

Sandro Hawke: any given publisher doesn't need to use all terms, just coverage overall between the implementors.

14:17:06 <HadleyBeeman> q+ to talk about what "official" means

Hadley Beeman: q+ to talk about what "official" means

14:17:10 <PhilA> q?

Phil Archer: q?

14:17:49 <bhyland> Sandro: I think we can ignore test harness for a vocabulary publisher … it is not clear how to do that.  In general, we haven't done this for vocabs & I don't think we need to.

Sandro Hawke: I think we can ignore test harness for a vocabulary publisher … it is not clear how to do that. In general, we haven't done this for vocabs & I don't think we need to.

14:18:24 <DaveReynolds> Well that's not entirely the case c.f. ORG and Data Cube :)

Dave Reynolds: Well that's not entirely the case c.f. ORG and Data Cube :)

14:18:37 <bhyland> olyerickson: We're showing data set implementers using a by-way-of-example approach but it is difficult to do this for a vocabulary ...

John Erickson: We're showing data set implementers using a by-way-of-example approach but it is difficult to do this for a vocabulary ...

14:19:18 <bhyland> … International Open Government Data Catalog is meant to be a 90% overlap of DCAT but the vocab terms are not pure DCAT ...

… International Open Government Data Catalog is meant to be a 90% overlap of DCAT but the vocab terms are not pure DCAT ...

14:19:24 <PhilA> q+ to talk about mappings

Phil Archer: q+ to talk about mappings

14:20:02 <bhyland> … We could claim we have a catalog with terms that are mostly DCAT, but we don't have the staffing resources currently (not before end of November 2013), to complete that effort.

… We could claim we have a catalog with terms that are mostly DCAT, but we don't have the staffing resources currently (not before end of November 2013), to complete that effort.

14:20:51 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida

Zakim IRC Bot: -JoaoPauloAlmeida

14:21:00 <HadleyBeeman> ack phil

Hadley Beeman: ack phil

14:21:00 <Zakim> PhilA, you wanted to talk about mappings

Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, you wanted to talk about mappings

14:21:03 <olyerickson> Zakim, mute me.

John Erickson: Zakim, mute me.

14:21:03 <Zakim> olyerickson should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: olyerickson should now be muted

14:21:07 <Zakim> +??P40

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P40

14:21:12 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P40 is me

Joao Almeida: Zakim, ??P40 is me

14:21:12 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

14:21:14 <PhilA> mappings http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Datasets

Phil Archer: mappings http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Datasets

14:21:16 <bhyland> … Our implementation of DCAT isn't complete.  By way of complete implementation, see the Woods Hole implementation.  For those not familiar with who Woods Hole is, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woods_Hole_Oceanographic_Institution

… Our implementation of DCAT isn't complete. By way of complete implementation, see the Woods Hole implementation. For those not familiar with who Woods Hole is, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woods_Hole_Oceanographic_Institution

14:23:04 <bhyland> PhilA: Raised concerned that terms DCAT, ADMS changes happened after the terms had been incorporated in to Schema.org.

Phil Archer: Raised concerned that terms DCAT, ADMS changes happened after the terms had been incorporated in to Schema.org.

14:23:46 <bhyland> PhilA: Agreed to take an Action to communicate with Schema.org facilitators to ask them to update....

Phil Archer: Agreed to take an Action to communicate with Schema.org facilitators to ask them to update....

14:24:24 <bhyland> Action: PhilA will communicate with Schema.org facilitators & ask them to update terms from DCAT & ADMS.

ACTION: PhilA will communicate with Schema.org facilitators & ask them to update terms from DCAT & ADMS.

14:24:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-149 - Will communicate with schema.org facilitators & ask them to update terms from dcat & adms. [on Phil Archer - due 2013-10-24].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-149 - Will communicate with schema.org facilitators & ask them to update terms from dcat & adms. [on Phil Archer - due 2013-10-24].

14:24:53 <olyerickson> im muted

John Erickson: im muted

14:25:03 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> We are in a huge mess with respect to vocabulary adoption/reuse

Joao Almeida: We are in a huge mess with respect to vocabulary adoption/reuse

14:25:05 <bhyland> … Discussion ensued about Schema.org's willingness to update Schema.org based on changes made by W3 working group(s).

… Discussion ensued about Schema.org's willingness to update Schema.org based on changes made by W3 working group(s).

14:25:09 <olyerickson> zakim, unmute me.

John Erickson: zakim, unmute me.

14:25:09 <Zakim> olyerickson should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: olyerickson should no longer be muted

14:25:20 <olyerickson> q+

John Erickson: q+

14:25:29 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> This schema.org usage is only one small example...

Joao Almeida: This schema.org usage is only one small example...

14:25:44 <olyerickson> Q+

John Erickson: Q+

14:25:48 <olyerickson> Q+

John Erickson: Q+

14:25:54 <olyerickson> Q+

John Erickson: Q+

14:25:57 <bhyland> PhilA: Hasn't personally come across people who said they are implemented one vocab over another, specifically Schema.org vs. DCAT

Phil Archer: Hasn't personally come across people who said they are implemented one vocab over another, specifically Schema.org vs. DCAT

14:26:08 <bhyland> ack olyerickson

ack olyerickson

14:26:20 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> This is not the first time we had discussed this. We ourselves (in ORG) depend on FOAF (which has a broken versioning scheme).

Joao Almeida: This is not the first time we had discussed this. We ourselves (in ORG) depend on FOAF (which has a broken versioning scheme).

14:27:05 <bhyland> olyerickson: People are asking about DCAT & how to surface their metadata on the Web.  RPI teaches people about both Schema.org which has "good brand" coverage, as well as RDFa ...

John Erickson: People are asking about DCAT & how to surface their metadata on the Web. RPI teaches people about both Schema.org which has "good brand" coverage, as well as RDFa ...

14:27:10 <PhilA> q+ to raise a completely different issue about schema.org cf. DCAT

Phil Archer: q+ to raise a completely different issue about schema.org cf. DCAT

14:28:32 <bhyland> q+

q+

14:31:02 <HadleyBeeman> ack phil

Hadley Beeman: ack phil

14:31:02 <Zakim> PhilA, you wanted to raise a completely different issue about schema.org cf. DCAT

Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, you wanted to raise a completely different issue about schema.org cf. DCAT

14:31:23 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> good comment by bhyland

Joao Almeida: good comment by bhyland

14:32:01 <bhyland> PhilA: Per discussion with EC, questions were raised by someone why the W3C is working with Schema.org because it is a proprietary vocab not developed in an open, peer reviewed process.

Phil Archer: Per discussion with EC, questions were raised by someone why the W3C is working with Schema.org because it is a proprietary vocab not developed in an open, peer reviewed process.

14:32:22 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> we have used FOAF, which is not open

Joao Almeida: we have used FOAF, which is not open

14:32:53 <bhyland> … Because Schema.org hasn't been done in open peer reviewed forum, it is tough to make recommendation to government authorities to use it.

… Because Schema.org hasn't been done in open peer reviewed forum, it is tough to make recommendation to government authorities to use it.

14:33:11 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> best practices should clarify issues of vocab reuse, versioning (evolution) and openness

Joao Almeida: best practices should clarify issues of vocab reuse, versioning (evolution) and openness

14:33:16 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_Timetable

Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_Timetable

14:33:30 <PhilA> JoaoPauloAlmeida -  I think FOAF is more open than schema.org. All decisions are taken in public by its community cf. behind closed doors for schema.org

Phil Archer: JoaoPauloAlmeida - I think FOAF is more open than schema.org. All decisions are taken in public by its community cf. behind closed doors for schema.org

14:33:56 <bhyland> Hadley: We still have quite a bit of (W3) process to get DCAT across the finish line in the remaining 2 months.

Hadley Beeman: We still have quite a bit of (W3) process to get DCAT across the finish line in the remaining 2 months.

14:35:20 <bhyland> Hadley: Asked whether we have the resources within the GLD WG to engage in CR effort … Alternatively, we publish a WG Note.

Hadley Beeman: Asked whether we have the resources within the GLD WG to engage in CR effort … Alternatively, we publish a WG Note.

14:35:27 <bhyland> zakim, who is talking?

zakim, who is talking?

14:35:37 <Zakim> bhyland, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +33.4.93.00.aabb (14%)

Zakim IRC Bot: bhyland, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +33.4.93.00.aabb (14%)

14:35:41 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> This group needs to write about these fundamental issues. Vocabularies are only useful if they are reused, and if they can evolve (even when they are already being used), … is this something that can be raised in the follow up efforts of the Data Activity

Joao Almeida: This group needs to write about these fundamental issues. Vocabularies are only useful if they are reused, and if they can evolve (even when they are already being used), … is this something that can be raised in the follow up efforts of the Data Activity

14:35:48 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> ?

Joao Almeida: ?

14:35:49 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, mute aabb

Hadley Beeman: zakim, mute aabb

14:35:49 <Zakim> +33.4.93.00.aabb should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: +33.4.93.00.aabb should now be muted

14:36:04 <bhyland> Sandro: We need to consider whether there is a benefit to DCAT being a Recommendation or a WG Note.

Sandro Hawke: We need to consider whether there is a benefit to DCAT being a Recommendation or a WG Note.

14:36:30 <bhyland> … Boils down to level of effort required + time available + value derived from the effort.

… Boils down to level of effort required + time available + value derived from the effort.

14:36:31 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida

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14:36:38 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?

zakim, who is on the call?

14:36:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, olyerickson, Sumit, DaveReynolds, PhilA, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, Deirdrelee, +33.4.93.00.aabb (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, olyerickson, Sumit, DaveReynolds, PhilA, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, Deirdrelee, +33.4.93.00.aabb (muted)

14:36:42 <Zakim> +??P10

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14:36:48 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P10 is me

Joao Almeida: Zakim, ??P10 is me

14:36:48 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

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14:37:12 <HadleyBeeman> q?

Hadley Beeman: q?

14:37:14 <HadleyBeeman> ack me

Hadley Beeman: ack me

14:37:14 <Zakim> HadleyBeeman, you wanted to talk about what "official" means

Zakim IRC Bot: HadleyBeeman, you wanted to talk about what "official" means

14:37:21 <HadleyBeeman> ack bhy

Hadley Beeman: ack bhy

14:38:11 <DaveReynolds> q+

Dave Reynolds: q+

14:38:18 <bhyland> bhyland: Asked whether European LD publishers (with whom PhilA works fairly closely), whether they distinguish between a WG Note vs a Recommendation.

Bernadette Hyland: Asked whether European LD publishers (with whom PhilA works fairly closely), whether they distinguish between a WG Note vs a Recommendation.

14:38:44 <bhyland> … They simply want to know it is stable & not being mucked around with … terms aren't being changed out from beneath them.

… They simply want to know it is stable & not being mucked around with … terms aren't being changed out from beneath them.

14:39:11 <bhyland> … If the Data on the Web WG wants to add terms, then they have freedom to do so.

… If the Data on the Web WG wants to add terms, then they have freedom to do so.

14:39:27 <olyerickson> +1 to some W3C status that signifies stability. "Note" apparently achieves that, "Recommendation" prolly stronger than "Note"

John Erickson: +1 to some W3C status that signifies stability. "Note" apparently achieves that, "Recommendation" prolly stronger than "Note"

14:39:28 <HadleyBeeman> …. by adding a separate note

Hadley Beeman: …. by adding a separate note

14:39:37 <HadleyBeeman> q?

Hadley Beeman: q?

14:39:43 <bhyland> … Stability is the most important issue.  They want the technology to remain stable.

… Stability is the most important issue. They want the technology to remain stable.

14:39:56 <bhyland> … the existing terms remain in effect.

… the existing terms remain in effect.

14:40:32 <DaveReynolds> ack em

Dave Reynolds: ack em

14:40:36 <bhyland> Sandro:  There *may* be editorial changes in subsequent documents that add clarity (reduce ambiguity).

Sandro Hawke: There *may* be editorial changes in subsequent documents that add clarity (reduce ambiguity).

14:40:39 <HadleyBeeman> ack dave

Hadley Beeman: ack dave

14:41:11 <bhyland> DaveReynolds: I'm not working with people trying to use DCAT at the moment. But in the UK, there is commitment to working with open Web standards.

Dave Reynolds: I'm not working with people trying to use DCAT at the moment. But in the UK, there is commitment to working with open Web standards.

14:41:25 <bhyland> … There is a cost to doing a WG Note vs. a Recommendation

… There is a cost to doing a WG Note vs. a Recommendation

14:42:37 <olyerickson> I will ask whether "recommendation" status makes a difference to e.g. WHOI

John Erickson: I will ask whether "recommendation" status makes a difference to e.g. WHOI

14:42:40 <HadleyBeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

14:42:54 <bhyland> q+

q+

14:42:58 <olyerickson> I'll also ask my friends in Data.gov

John Erickson: I'll also ask my friends in Data.gov

14:42:58 <bhyland> ack Had

ack Had

14:43:21 <bhyland> HadleyBeeman: Working on UK Government Open Standards

Hadley Beeman: Working on UK Government Open Standards

14:43:45 <bhyland> … It includes language around "due process" for open web standards that are adopted.

… It includes language around "due process" for open web standards that are adopted.

14:44:17 <bhyland> … Practically on the ground, I doubt that there would be a lot of push back if there were a stable Working Group Note vs. Recommendation.

… Practically on the ground, I doubt that there would be a lot of push back if there were a stable Working Group Note vs. Recommendation.

14:44:37 <Deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

14:45:03 <HadleyBeeman> ack bhyland

Hadley Beeman: ack bhyland

14:46:25 <HadleyBeeman> UK gov definition of open standard is in here: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/78892/Open-Standards-Principles-FINAL.pdf

Hadley Beeman: UK gov definition of open standard is in here: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/78892/Open-Standards-Principles-FINAL.pdf

14:47:00 <bhyland> … Back to Sandro's point … do we have the resources within 2 mos & is success is possible & do we get sufficient value from that hard work?

… Back to Sandro's point … do we have the resources within 2 mos & is success is possible & do we get sufficient value from that hard work?

14:48:18 <bhyland> Deirdre: If DERI & RPI could each supply an implementation that conforms, independentally developed, would that be sufficient?

Deirdre Lee: If DERI & RPI could each supply an implementation that conforms, independentally developed, would that be sufficient?

14:48:22 <bhyland> Sandro: Yes.

Sandro Hawke: Yes.

14:49:06 <bhyland> HadleyBeeman: Provided a summary:we need a final resourcing discussion with Fadi.

Hadley Beeman: Provided a summary:we need a final resourcing discussion with Fadi.

14:49:50 <olyerickson> RPI will solicit a statement of implementation (or intent to implement) DCAT from e.g. WHOI. Hopefully they will agree...

John Erickson: RPI will solicit a statement of implementation (or intent to implement) DCAT from e.g. WHOI. Hopefully they will agree...

14:50:48 <bhyland> Sandro: We need the following by Thur Oct 24-Oct: 1) Documented WG Resolution to proceed; 2) Documentation ready for publication as CR (from LC); 3) Transition request emailed to W3C mgmt & chairs.

Sandro Hawke: We need the following by Thur Oct 24-Oct: 1) Documented WG Resolution to proceed; 2) Documentation ready for publication as CR (from LC); 3) Transition request emailed to W3C mgmt & chairs.

14:52:09 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida

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14:52:23 <Zakim> +??P10

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14:52:30 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, ??P10 is me

Joao Almeida: Zakim, ??P10 is me

14:52:30 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

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14:52:44 <Deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

14:53:58 <DaveReynolds> Presumably also a question of availability - if Fadi is off to ISWC then prepare docs by next Thursday may be hard

Dave Reynolds: Presumably also a question of availability - if Fadi is off to ISWC then prepare docs by next Thursday may be hard

14:54:01 <PhilA> ack Deirdrelee

Phil Archer: ack Deirdrelee

14:54:17 <bhyland> Action: HadleyBeeman, bhyland - Solicit commitment from WG participants & reach out beyond, to determine that there is support for Fadi who does want to see DCAT move through the Rec Track process.

ACTION: HadleyBeeman, bhyland - Solicit commitment from WG participants & reach out beyond, to determine that there is support for Fadi who does want to see DCAT move through the Rec Track process.

14:54:17 <trackbot> Error finding 'HadleyBeeman,'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/users>.

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14:55:08 <bhyland> Deirdre: Appreciate that Fadi wants to see this move forward, and from DERI's side, we'd like to see it move forward to Rec track.  She couldn't commit on behalf of DERI but expressed that it is very important to DERI.

Deirdre Lee: Appreciate that Fadi wants to see this move forward, and from DERI's side, we'd like to see it move forward to Rec track. She couldn't commit on behalf of DERI but expressed that it is very important to DERI.

14:55:35 <bhyland> Action: Deirdre to raise with DERI management to lend support & needed resources to move DCAT through Rec Track process.

ACTION: Deirdre to raise with DERI management to lend support & needed resources to move DCAT through Rec Track process.

14:55:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-150 - Raise with deri management to lend support & needed resources to move dcat through rec track process. [on Deirdre Lee - due 2013-10-24].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-150 - Raise with deri management to lend support & needed resources to move dcat through rec track process. [on Deirdre Lee - due 2013-10-24].

14:56:05 <atemezin> +1 to see DCAT going to Rec

Ghislain Atemezing: +1 to see DCAT going to Rec

14:56:30 <Deirdrelee> I have to go....I'll follow up on mailing list

Deirdre Lee: I have to go....I'll follow up on mailing list

14:56:32 <bhyland> Topic: ORG update

2. ORG update

14:56:40 <Zakim> -Deirdrelee

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14:56:58 <bhyland> DaveReynolds: Cannot have sufficient status discussion in 2 minutes remaining.

Dave Reynolds: Cannot have sufficient status discussion in 2 minutes remaining.

14:57:28 <PhilA> q+ to give a little bit of good news

Phil Archer: q+ to give a little bit of good news

14:57:49 <bhyland> DaveReynolds: It has been tough to get implementation reports. We have one formal report Cube.

Dave Reynolds: It has been tough to get implementation reports. We have one formal report Cube.

14:58:42 <bhyland> We have one report for ORG that was somewhat loose.  We need to encourage implementation reports, conformance checks & rigor.

We have one report for ORG that was somewhat loose. We need to encourage implementation reports, conformance checks & rigor.

14:58:51 <bhyland> Hadley: Is it doable in the time remaining?

Hadley Beeman: Is it doable in the time remaining?

14:59:55 <bhyland> DaveReynolds: For Cube, I think it is doable. We can get evidence of conformance.  For ORG, I'm more worried. We might need to consider taking ORG to WG Note....

Dave Reynolds: For Cube, I think it is doable. We can get evidence of conformance. For ORG, I'm more worried. We might need to consider taking ORG to WG Note....

15:00:40 <PhilA> scribe: PhilA

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15:00:43 <bhyland> ta!

Bernadette Hyland: ta!

15:00:48 <Zakim> -bhyland

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15:00:55 <PhilA> sandro: Asks about Soton's use of QB

Sandro Hawke: Asks about Soton's use of QB

15:01:04 <Zakim> -olyerickson

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15:01:15 <PhilA> DaveReynolds: No

Dave Reynolds: No

15:01:25 <PhilA> sandro: OK, they've used it. Need to chase it

Sandro Hawke: OK, they've used it. Need to chase it

15:03:22 <PhilA> PhilA: I have some info from Italy. No usage of more terms I'm afraid. But I have Italian translations of the labels and comments

Phil Archer: I have some info from Italy. No usage of more terms I'm afraid. But I have Italian translations of the labels and comments

15:03:37 <atemezin> Thanks all!

Ghislain Atemezing: Thanks all!

15:03:45 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> bye

Joao Almeida: bye

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15:03:47 <Zakim> -PhilA

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15:03:49 <sumit> Thanks All

Sumit Purohit: Thanks All

15:03:51 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

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15:03:53 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds

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15:03:54 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida

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15:03:58 <Zakim> -Sandro

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15:04:07 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Asks about Best prac doc. Bernadette has had to leave already. No one else on the call to talk about it

Hadley Beeman: Asks about Best prac doc. Bernadette has had to leave already. No one else on the call to talk about it

15:04:19 <PhilA> meeting adjourned

meeting adjourned

15:04:27 <PhilA> rrsagent, make logs public

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15:10:31 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.617.646.aaaa, Sandro, olyerickson, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, PhilA, DaveReynolds, Deirdrelee, Sumit, JoaoPauloAlmeida, +33.4.93.00.aabb

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