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<trackbot> Date: 18 December 2013
<janina_> Meeting: PFWG telecon
<janina_> agenda: this
<scribe> scribenick: ShaneM
<MichaelC> close action-1300
<trackbot> Closed action-1300.
<MichaelC> XSL Transformations (XSLT) Version 3.0
We dont need to review this one.
There is a pub moratorium starting tomorrow - so we won't have anything new before we meet again.
<MichaelC> Semantic Statistics CG
No ARIA issues forseen.
Placeholder for now. We are planning to talk with Simon Pieters about this.
<MichaelC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-script-coord/
He is active on that list and might be a good resource.
everything is now in CR!
Spec and User Agent Guide are in CR and the director is aware that we expect a short CR period.
Testing is nearly complete. Some items are 'at risk' but we are hoping to get them resolved because we really want them.
Should be done toward the end of January.
Work has started on ARIA 1.1. Face to face in Toronto 23-25 January to get things kick started.
Some plan toward modularizing the documents to avoid duplication.
Need a clear plan in order to get buy-in.
scribe: discussion of agenda. but the two main items are scoping of 1.1 to ensure that we are done in concert with HTML 5.1 and organization of the ARIA documents.
<MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/meetings/2014-01-ftf
james thinks we should add agenda items on widget tie-ups because they are hard to support.
updating the best practices guide should also be on the agenad
PF is the best place to do the best practices guides.
(brief discussion of flight logistics for the f2f)
Lisa was going to have reviewed this. She is not here today.
Group agreed on something last week (APA). Has not been presented to the CG yet.
Renaming the group is holding up the charter progress. No new information.
ShaneM: The stuff we count on is embedded in the main data of the page. Additional resources are not really required for our purposes.
Cynthia: We could ask them to point out that a11y data should be in the main content. If it is not, then there should be a way to prioritize the aria data.
jamesn: They have a lazyloaded event. An iframe might cause a problem with things being lazy loaded.
janina: it is beginning to sound
like we have some comments.
... let's bring it up for discussion here again and task
someone to coordinate with then in January.
We need to track this - is it in our matrix? and have we talked to CG about it?
The proposal was that we use bugzilla component to track ARIA issues.
But we already track public comments in the public comments tracker and our issues list.
MichaelC: tracker is designed around comment processing. It is better suited to our process.
cynthia: Bugzilla has a lot of
metadata and categorization stuff.
... there are some other task and process management tools out
there like JIRA. Can we look beyond bugzilla?
JF: couldn't we just set up bugzilla to forward to tracker?
janina: bugzilla is an awkward place to have conversations because people tend to use the comments feature to discuss.
cynthia: we need to solicit requirements before we make any change.
janina: it is a good time to look at this. 1.0 is done and 1.1 has not started.
cynthia: I dislike the w3c issue
tracker. It is missing all the things that I like about issue
tracking / bug resolving.
... part of the issue is that we are using too many different
tools.
MichaelC: we have more experience with other tools than I though we did. Let's keep the discussion going and use the f2f as a way to get our thoughts coalesced.
janina: do we list out the tools we use on the PF page? With documentation pointers?
MichaelC: probably not complete.
janina: it should be migrated over
cynthia: MS has Team Foundation Server that might be good too.
<JF> by all
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