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Timed Text Working Group Teleconference

19 Sep 2013

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<trackbot> Date: 19 September 2013

<plh> tel:+1.617.258.0992 (Office)

<plh> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/4932d6f9d68b/ttml1/spec/ttml1-changes.html#change-history-per-to-rec-2e

<plh> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/default/ttml10/spec/ttml-changes.html#change-history-per-to-rec-23

<plh> charset

<plh> If specified, the charset parameter must match the XML encoding declaration, or if absent, the actual encoding.

<plh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Aug/0052.html

<tmichel> +1

<tmichel> to using TTML1

<Sean> scribe?

<plh> http://www.w3.org/TR/ttml1/ will be then

<glenn> scribenick: mijordan

Publication date for TTML 1.0SE is Sept 24

shortname url forthcoming

<glenn> Action glenn to send final URL for SE publishing to ML

<trackbot> Created ACTION-202 - Send final url for se publishing to ml [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-09-26].

<scribe> Pending review actions:

Pending Review Actions

<glenn> action-188?

<trackbot> action-188 -- Glenn Adams to Create an issue to address the use of other namespace vocabulary in the schema -- due 2013-09-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/188

<glenn> resolved by creating issue-278

<glenn> issue-278?

<trackbot> issue-278 -- Tightening schema support for foreign vocabulary. -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/278

<glenn> close action-188

<trackbot> Closed action-188.

Action-198?

<trackbot> Action-198 -- Thierry Michel to Check if feature request for tracker notifications on action/issue new comment or status change has been added to requested feature list -- due 2013-09-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/198

Thierry checked and such notifications are not currently supported. I sent email to w3t-sys requesting the feature, which should eventually show up on http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/todo

close action-188

<trackbot> Closed action-188.

close action-198

<trackbot> Closed action-198.

Action-199?

<trackbot> Action-199 -- Glenn Adams to Create new issue about need for region elements to obtain inherited styles, possibly from layout or tt element -- due 2013-09-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/199

Opened issue-277

close Action-199

<trackbot> Closed Action-199.

Action-200?

<trackbot> Action-200 -- Glenn Adams to Add ttp:version to items for possible f2f agenda -- due 2013-09-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/200

close action-200

<trackbot> Closed action-200.

Action-201?

<trackbot> Action-201 -- Nigel Megitt to Check if pixel aspect ratio makes a difference when performing the min and max comparison -- due 2013-09-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/201

close Action-201

<trackbot> Closed Action-201.

Pending review issues

Issue-20?

<trackbot> Issue-20 -- Region border not supported -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/20

Glenn: Added support for tts:border property. Question re supporting additional border styles for CEA-708. Need to determine how CSS3 border styles map to styles in CEA-708.

Added border on region and content elements since supported in CSS

close issue-20

<trackbot> Closed issue-20.

<glenn> issue-20: if there are issues around 708 styles, a new issue should be opened with specifics

<trackbot> Notes added to issue-20 Region border not supported.

<glenn> action glenn to investigate 708 border style mapping issues with mike's help

<trackbot> Created ACTION-203 - Investigate 708 border style mapping issues with mike's help [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-09-26].

issue-22?

<trackbot> issue-22 -- window fade in/out not supported? -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/22

Add support for continuous animation using animate element. https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/1d13586de640

definition from SVG for symantics

want to make sure it can be mapped to CSS animation

<glenn> issue-22: need to check how well the animate semantics map to CSS3 Animation

<trackbot> Notes added to issue-22 window fade in/out not supported?.

Remain as pending review

Glenn: other changes made

- Set element: at support for targeting an element that is not immediate parent of set element

created grouping element in head for animation, in TTML2 introduced concepts of inline and out-of-line animation

<glenn> glenn: described recent changes to introduce animate element, inline vs out-of-line animation, etc.

<glenn> sean: let's leave this issue-22 pending until i can review

issue-23?

<trackbot> issue-23 -- intermediate animation of extent -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/23

leave issue-23 pending review and issue-72 pending review

issue-159?

<trackbot> issue-159 -- Text orientation in I18n script processing -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/159

glenn: added tts:textOrientation styling attribute, with mixed, sideways, and upright values. but will be adding sideways-left and sideways-right values

<glenn> action glenn to add sideways{Left,Right} then close issue-159

<trackbot> Created ACTION-204 - Add sideways{left,right} then close issue-159 [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-09-26].

<glenn> action-204: should also then be able to close issue-231

<trackbot> Notes added to action-204 Add sideways{left,right} then close issue-159.

should be able to close issue-231 at same time

<glenn> issue-231?

<trackbot> issue-231 -- Individual character rotation -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/231

issue-167?

<trackbot> issue-167 -- allowing attributes that have no semantics on specific elements -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/167

<glenn> issue-231: should be closed upon conclusion of action-204

<trackbot> Notes added to issue-231 Individual character rotation.

Added note in 8.2

Sean: pending review from Mike Dolan

issue-168?

<trackbot> issue-168 -- Padding on tt:p and tt:span elements -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/168

<glenn> issue-167: mike should review, but WG appears satisfied

<trackbot> Notes added to issue-167 allowing attributes that have no semantics on specific elements.

Glenn: added support for padding for all content elements, maps natively to css and xfl-fo

question about background color going through padding

andreas: original requirement from EBU that with added padding the background color displays in the padded portion of the region

close issue-168

<trackbot> Closed issue-168.

andreas: question is there a difference between adding padding on div and p

glenn: padding is cummulative

issue-176?

<trackbot> issue-176 -- Adding support for extent and origin attributes on block elements -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/176

glenn: note added to issue

sean: note describes solution that has not been the industry practice

glenn: problem with proposed solution in that it would be confusing to those that think in terms of css

sean: we'll have to articulate reasons for the change to implementors in the industry
... can't close at this point because it's not what was originally requested

<glenn> action sean to forward this solution to relevant implementers for their input

<trackbot> Created ACTION-205 - Forward this solution to relevant implementers for their input [on Sean Hayes - due 2013-09-26].

Glenn: if we put origin and extent on content element it puts them outside of the region inheritence

sean: it's an issue of purity over common practice

put on agenda for face to face

<glenn> action glenn to add agenda items for F2F to discuss targeted animation, inline vs out-of-line regions

<trackbot> Created ACTION-206 - Add agenda items for f2f to discuss targeted animation, inline vs out-of-line regions [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-09-26].

issue-178?

<trackbot> issue-178 -- initial values and style set calculations are unclear, especially for transformable attributes -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/178

keep pending review from Mike Dolan

issue-193?

<trackbot> issue-193 -- Address SMPTE Questions for Region, Border, etc. related to character edge attributes -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/193

<glenn> issue-193: closing in deference to more specific issues

<trackbot> Notes added to issue-193 Address SMPTE Questions for Region, Border, etc. related to character edge attributes.

closing in deference to more specific issues added later

close issue-193

<trackbot> Closed issue-193.

issue-206?

<trackbot> issue-206 -- Add ttp:profileCombination parameter -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/206

sean: part of more complex set of changes around profiles. added to agenda for face to face

keep pending review

issue-225

<trackbot> issue-225 -- tts:fontSize as percentage of container dimensions -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/225

glenn: added 4 new units vh/vw and vmin/vmax
... what does size mean re vmin/vmax

sean: another issues discussing what does pixel mean in absence of defined space

glenn: leave pending for time being

sean: agreed

issue-232

<trackbot> issue-232 -- Bottom-to-top text direction -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/232

glenn: proposing to close in absence of bottom to top text direction in css

sean: agree with closing as ST 428-7 has been deprecated

close issue-232

<trackbot> Closed issue-232.

issue-257?

<trackbot> issue-257 -- Interpretation of percentage tts:fontSize on region element -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/257

glenn: further tweaked definition of percentage in tts:fontSize

<glenn> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/default/ttml1/spec/ttml1.html#style-attribute-fontSize

<glenn> glenn: see clarification of "Percentages:"

editorial change will be included in TTML 1.0 SE

close issue-257

<trackbot> Closed issue-257.

issue-259?

<trackbot> issue-259 -- Define "closest" -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/259

Glenn: added definition of "closest" in each place it was used.
... pierre suggested adding a round-down clarification

<glenn> issue-259: need to add "round-down" clarification, then close

<trackbot> Notes added to issue-259 Define "closest".

sean: agreed

<glenn> action glenn to add round-down clarification to "closest" language, see issue-259

<trackbot> Created ACTION-207 - Add round-down clarification to "closest" language, see issue-259 [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-09-26].

leave as pending

issue-260?

<trackbot> issue-260 -- When agent is not @type 'character', then should prohibit actor child. -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/260

Glenn: Addressed by allowing all agent types to be referenced by actor.

close issue-260

<trackbot> Closed issue-260.

issue-261?

<trackbot> issue-261 -- signaling docoument profile conformance is separate from decoder presentation requirements -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/261

Glenn: added ttp:contentProfile parameter

leave pending review

issue-262?

<trackbot> issue-262 -- tts:extent semantics if value not supported -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/262

Glenn: leave as pending review for Michael Dolan to review, since he raised the issue.

issue-264?

<trackbot> issue-264 -- What XML entities are valid in TTML canonical syntax -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/264

<glenn> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/default/ttml1/spec/ttml1.html#concrete-encoding

<glenn> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#concrete-encoding

Glenn: added note to appendix N (non-normative) in TTML1

s/appendix M/appendix N

same note in TTML2

close issue-264

<trackbot> Closed issue-264.

issue-266?

<trackbot> issue-266 -- add ability for instance documents to declare what profile(s) it conforms to -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/266

leave pending review

issue-268?

<trackbot> issue-268 -- Purpose of new draft wording in 12.2.1 is unclear -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/268

close issue-268

<trackbot> Closed issue-268.

issue-271?

<trackbot> issue-271 -- 9.3.2 Smooth transition reference unavailable or requires purchase to resolve -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/271

close issue-271

<trackbot> Closed issue-271.

issue-274?

<trackbot> issue-274 -- Semantics of "prohibited" features -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/274

Glenn: TTML2 added note: Use of the prohibited value for a feature value is not to be interpreted as meaning that a conformant processor need not or must not support the default semantics that apply for that feature.

close issue-274

<trackbot> Closed issue-274.

issue-275?

<trackbot> issue-275 -- Improve compatibility with line height 'normal' and CSS/XSL-FO implementations. -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/275

<glenn> action glenn to add note to issue-275 linking to follow-on changelist which changed to 125% and made a note in ttml1

<trackbot> Created ACTION-208 - Add note to issue-275 linking to follow-on changelist which changed to 125% and made a note in ttml1 [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-09-26].

close issue-275

<trackbot> Closed issue-275.

issue-279?

<trackbot> issue-279 -- Add @designator attribute to ttp:profile element. -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/279

https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#parameter-vocabulary-profile

close issue-279

<trackbot> Closed issue-279.

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