Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference -- 15 Dec 2011

<trackbot> Date: 15 December 2011

hello

<scribe> Scribe: BenediktKaempgen

<olyerickson> I'll be on in a second... busy day at #TWCRPI ;)

<bhyland> If anyone wanted to share what RDF is with their kids, here is something fun for you to share, see http://3roundstones.com/linked-data-101/rdf-explained/

<scribe> Scribe: BenediktKaempgen

trackbot-ng, start telcon

<trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference

<trackbot> Date: 15 December 2011

<scribe> scribe: BenediktKaempgen

<scribe> chair: bhyland

<bhyland> Did we just kicked off the call?

BenediktKaempgen is connected through Skype. Hope it will stay connected.

bhyland: one more call on 22nd of December?

<HadleyBeeman> I'm travelling on 22 Dec, unfortunately

<George> I can make the 22nd

I cannot

<gatemezin> I can make also on the 22nd

<DanG> I probably can't attend next week. Don't count on me.

Accept last minutes?

PROPOSED: accept minutes

<bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2011-12-08

<George> confirmed :)

<gatemezin> +1

<George> +1

<rreck> someone is breathing quite loudly

<bhyland> Action Item review, see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/open

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Item

minutes accepted?

I am muted.

<olyerickson> zakim aacc is me

<olyerickson> the noise is NOT me

<GeraldSteeman> * The Zakim bridge has the capability to mute conferees. (Muting blocks sound on a conferee's line from being heard on the conference.) Conferees can mute themselves by dialing 61#. In that case, unmute is 60#.

RESOLUTION: accept minutes

Community Directory update

<bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/9

<DanG> I muted for a few seconds, but the sound continued anyway.

<gatemezin> bhyland: action-9 still open

<sandro> martin, it was you making the noise.

action-13: will be send soon

<trackbot> ACTION-13 Post OGV docs as input to GLD on GLD wiki notes added

<gatemezin> DanG: will send documents for action-13 very soon

<gatemezin> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/16

<rreck> can i be involved in that please?

thanks gatemezin

<gatemezin> bhyland: discussion started

<rreck> my good friend Ken Sall talks to me about NIEM all the time

Action Items

<rreck> let's hope it doesnt use anonymous nodes

<gatemezin> ... with Cory.. planning to model and use of conversion programme to RDF

UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: not sure whether good rdf

<gatemezin> action-16 is closed

subtopic: action-18

<sandro> close action-16

<trackbot> ACTION-16 Agreed to facilitate NIEM discussion and get outline started working with bhyland. closed

jerrickson: action item community draft supersedes it?

<gatemezin> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/18

<bhyland> ACTION-18: Agreed to facilitate initial wiki draft on Vocab page on VCAT.

<trackbot> ACTION-18 Agreed to facilitate initial wiki draft on Vocab page on VCAT. notes added

olyerickson: what means wiki draft

<gatemezin> olyerickson: create a Community draft for that, it is the focus

<gatemezin> ..may be that action should be closed

http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/open

olyerickson: vcat, ok.
... remains open

bhyland: olyerickson please ping George or bhyland to clarify

<DanG> I posted the Open Government Vocabularies documents on 7 December

http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/20

http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/21

<gatemezin> action-20 still open

action-21 will be talked about later

subtopic: action-22

<gatemezin> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/22

rreck: wiki content will be synthesized
... will have something relatively substantial.

action-23 - anyone heard from TopQuadrant

action-24 - community draft, dcat

<gatemezin> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/24

olyerickson: should be done rather soon
... sill some issues in discussion, e.g., language issue

<gatemezin> olyerickson: still have some issues in discussion, like the language issue

olyerickson: people might be surprised that not much has changed

bhyland: enough open discussion

olyerickson: yes, there was some discussion

bhyland: what does the deadline mean?

<George> that's a semic.eu deadline i believe

olyerickson: put something readable on W3C page

action-25

<bhyland> https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/25

George: part of data.gov discussion.

Relevant to procurement section, therefore included.

scribe: Should be easy for Richard to recapture

<olyerickson> Re DCAT discussions, see e.g. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2011Dec/thread.html

action-26 - what does it mean?

<sandro> action-26?

<trackbot> ACTION-26 -- Bernadette Hyland to pull the list of things to check and notify the group -- due 2011-12-15 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/26

bhyland: maybe f2f?
... scribes please create understandable action items

<olyerickson> ... notice the dcat:language thread

Community Directory update

<bhyland> http://dir.w3.org/

<gatemezin> action-26: not understanding what does it mean...

<trackbot> ACTION-26 Pull the list of things to check and notify the group notes added

<bhyland> Stats on community directory, http://dir.w3.org/page/number-of-organizations-by-country.xhtml?view

bhyland: stats are interesting
... information about deployments is not necessarily understandable
... more feedback appreciated
... ?? is much into it
... aim - vibrant list of what each one in the group is doing

<bhyland> Someone suggested adding this, http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/latc/toollibrary/

bhyland: maybe maintained by DERI folks?

<George> chris bizer - most of these tools appear to be what's in http://stack.lod2.eu

bhyland: makes it sense to reach out to them?

up to 200 companies that do something with Linked Data

George: thinks, yes.

olyerickson: yes

<bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Best_Practices_Discussion_Summary

<gatemezin> +1

Best Practices update

bhyland: please make clear if you work on the wiki. Provide links and update.

Mike_Pendleton: give preliminary overview. During next weeks. John Sherridon will be asked.

bhyland: John Sheridan will have a lot to say about this.

suptopic: Vocabulary Selection update

bhyland: anything happening with this?
... none on the call

subtopic: URI Construction update

<bhyland> subtopic: Stability, see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Best_Practices_Discussion_Summary#2.2.5_Stability

Ron: Trying to figure out what is missing.
... problem space needs to be defined

bhyland: does rather look like a draft not descriptive enough
... any guidance?

<bhyland> Ron referred to another page, I think it is http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Best_Practices_Discussion_Stability

<bhyland> Includes discussion of "conservation", "preservation of access" and "preservation of content"

<George> is this http://www.mementoweb.org/ relevant?

Ron: topics - conservation, preservation of access, preservation of content

bhyland: sounds good.

<bhyland> Recommend you look at this page for ideas on suggesting best practices, http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/REC-mwabp-20101214/

bhyland: has been useful for the cook book also
... really short but gives good pointers
... a starting point

Ron: Struggling rather with organisation and writing in descriptive manner

than with the content.

<gatemezin> who can unmuted me?

<olyerickson> +1 to format in http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/REC-mwabp-20101214/

<gatemezin> please asgain?

<George> press 4 1 #

<gatemezin> sorry...

subtopic: Cook book

hyland: boris and I have added something

Schedule & milestones review

<bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/charter

bhyland: Some things to do in December.
... bhyland: f2f in January. Anyone wants to comment?

<sandro> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/charter#timeline

bhyland: Someone wants to share thoughts?

George: Middle ground regarding size.

<bhyland> That is Sandro speaking, not Sandro

George: Difficult to balance.

thanks

<bhyland> np

DanG: did not know what to expect

<GeraldSteeman> All new to me as well. Not sure where to plug in.

<bhyland> DanG: RE: making progress & meeting deliverables, I haven't been one of these before & don't know what to expect

<olyerickson> I think it's about what I expected...simply dealing with multiple time demands

bhyland: more often technical aspects, which helps with guidance. This is quite a different WG.

<olyerickson> I do think that "critical mass" is an issue, since the group has several important deliverables and they only slightly overlap, thus requiring multiple sub-groups/teams working on individual tasks

bhyland: we have a lot of invited experts.

<Yigal> Same here. I haven't been that involved -- but my intention was to become better acquainted with this community, and to find places where I *can* contribute.

bhyland: More about pulling things together and checking whether up-to-date.
... Trying less to create new things.
... Recommends all to put together efforts. People are looking for help with Linked Data.

Sandro: Are there people on the call that do not know where to help?

bhyland: cendi talk or similar are very useful for the group.
... encourages all to make available such information

<GeraldSteeman> Will do.

<gatemezin> Who is Cendi? any pointer?

<GeraldSteeman> http://cendi.gov

<gatemezin> @GeralSteeman: Thanks

bhyland: cendi is user's group of it people that are interested in preservation of science information
... very interesting use cases. bhyland gave talk about rdf.

<GeraldSteeman> http://cendi.gov/minutes/pa_1111.html

<tgheen> @bernadette: Walt Warnick at Dept of Energy still wants to talk to you

<bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F2

F2F2 Plans

<gatemezin> DanG: not have an answer today

DanG: Need to start F2F very early morning. Caviat. May make offer untenable.

bhyland: maybe start f2f later
... 5 hour time difference is a problem

DanG: Security is not an issue.
... tries to have a resolution today.

<bhyland> ACTION: DanG to confirm when US Bureau of Labor Stats can be open for our meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/15-gld-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-27 - Confirm when US Bureau of Labor Stats can be open for our meeting [on Dan Gillman - due 2011-12-22].

<Yigal> What is the address for the BLS, by the way?

<bhyland> It is work on the part of the hosts so we should confirm attendance, see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F2#Who

bhyland: Anyone interested to confirm that he/she will be there?

Benedikt will be at DERI.

<gatemezin> I confirm that I'll be there...

bhyland: community building would be very helpful for deliverables.

<gatemezin> My organization needs the agenda for administrative protocole

bhyland: versioning, legacy part in charter needs to be better framed.
... will be taking it to the mailing list

<olyerickson> No announcements at this time ;)

<gatemezin> So, finally we meet next week?

bhyland: many calls

<gatemezin> +1

<sandro> I can make it

<GeraldSteeman> i can

<gatemezin> I can

I cannot, sorry.

<olyerickson> I can make it to the call

<Mike_Pendleton> I can make it

bhyland: We will have a call next week. Half a dozen people is good.
... lots of things discuss (f2f, f2f venue, framing of charter topics)

<gatemezin> thanks!!

thanks!

<rreck> bubye

<bhyland> DanG: Please add name of any hotel that may have gov't rate on offer, you can update http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F2

<bhyland> thanks

<olyerickson> Bye!

<bhyland> Benedikt, do you need any help with writing the minutes?

maybe, thanks for asking. I am about to try it.

<bhyland> See http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.12.15#Scribe.27s_End_of_Meeting_Checklist

<bhyland> for instructions

<bhyland> I'm here if you need any help ...

<bhyland> or have any trouble ...

thanks

- DRAFT -

Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference

15 Dec 2011

Attendees

Contents

Community Directory update

Action Items

Community Directory update

Best Practices update

Schedule & milestones review

F2F2 Plans

Summary of Action Items

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