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<ArtB> Scribe: Art
<ArtB> Date: 1 November 2011
<Josh_Soref> Scribe: Josh_Soref
RRSAgent: draft minutes
http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/charter/2011/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/charter/2011/Overview.html#out-of-scope
ArtB: the only spec we've been working on is the "Touch Events Spec"
<AB> AB: publication status http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/wiki/PubStatus
AB: the group decided to fork the
spec into Version 1 (codifying what's deployed in WebKit +
Mozilla + Opera) and Version 2 (for features that are not yet
implemented)
... Touch Events v 1 LC ends Nov 17
... we don't expect many comments
... and we'd then publish in December
... matt b of mozilla has written some tests
[ Introductions ]
PH: we have comments on the charter!
AB: The gist of the proposal are
two specs that we want to have sole ownership of: Mouse Lock,
and Game Controllers
... and another which we want to have joint ownership of
... Mouse Lock is a proposal from the Chrome team to enable
Games using HTML5 APIs
... They contributed their initial draft and it's in the hg
repo
... But there hasn't been official discussion and we don't plan
to do so until the charter is updated
... There's work by Mozilla on a Joystick API, and Google has
done work as well
... they've agreed to coedit a Gamepad API
... we just need AC approval before we start working on it
formally
DS: There are 4 conceptual levels
of events
... physical, gestural, representational, intentional
... When I touch the screen, what is the event that is
triggered by that action
... that's representational
... and then there's "what did the user intend to do"
... that's intentional (the Use Case)
... the gestural is somewhat between physical and
representational
... gestural is one or more physical actions that together
become a representational event
... for instance a double tap
... the mapping between physical and representational is
different for every device
AB: The User Action Events (often
called "Intentional Events")
... has been in scope for a while
... but we haven't made much progress on it
... James Craig of Apple has a draft spec
... and we were working to codify that relationship
... PF doesn't want to take ownership of that Spec
<ArtB> AB: DRAFT Charter for Intentional Events WG - http://www.w3.org/2011/08/intentional-events-charter#deliverables
AB: Instead, there's a proposal
for a new WG solely for that Spec
... And Web Events would be a Joint deliverable with that
WG
... And IP commitments on that Spec are only for that
individual Spec (from people in either Group)
... We'll meet with the PF people in Ponderossa to talk about
Intentional
DS: The Intentional Events WG
will probably change its name
... There's also something called Web Intents
... which is totally unrelated
DS: there have been people who
asked about adding MIDI to the charter of this group
... JA had asked about whether it matters whether something is
connected or not
... there's also the DAPI (DAP) WG
... MIDI and Game Controllers unlike classic Mice are
bidirectional
... e.g. Game Controllers vibrate
AB: As of yesterday, only Google
has expressed formal interest of MIDI
... last night ETRI expressed an interest in MIDI
<ArtB> …. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011OctDec/0091.html
JS: Haptic will run into DAP
DS: MIDI has the potential to run into Audio
AB: I asked Chris Wilson of Google to mention his MIDI proposal on the public list
SW: The problem with the ETRI
proposal is that a lot of the items mentioned can be grouped by
category
... trackball, I haven't seen a device where user agents can
capture raw inputs from the controller
... either way, I don't think expanding the number of devices
in the user agent will help in the long run
... it just increases complexity, implementation cost, and
reading / code use for developers
... trackball has 2 or 4 axes but normally looks like a
mouse
... wimote is really two controllers
... - a camera that captures IR light
... - an accelerometer which conflicts with the Geo
WG
<ArtB> ACTION: barstow respond to ETRI's Expanding Target Input Devices proposal [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/01-webevents-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-86 - Respond to ETRI's Expanding Target Input Devices proposal [on Arthur Barstow - due 2011-11-08].
SW: in theory, that should be two
specs
... and neither should be in our WG
... Gesture in their proposal is really camera recognition
AB: The charter as currently structured would exclude that form of Gesture
SW: I don't think computer vision should be covered in this charter
DS: My main concern is
... we want our group to be tightly scoped
... so we can accomplish our deliverables in a timely
fashion
... and we want to be friendly to organizations to enable them
to join and provide their experience
... and I don't want to add things where we don't have
editors
... I want a tightly run group so we can achieve our
deliverables
AB: I'm opposed to adding a deliverable without two vendors committed to implementing
<ArtB> AB: meeting adjourned
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