Tracking Protection Group Open Call -- 16 Sep 2011

<aleecia> DW, visual aid

<aleecia> If you are on IRC but not the call bridge, please dial in

<aleecia> +1.617.761.6200, code TRACK (87225)

<aleecia> at&t

<aleecia> microsoft

<aleecia> 543 intel

<dsinger_> Who is in 949 and 412 areas?

aleecia: hi

… there'll be another co-chair pending paperwork

… about me

… starting part-time post-doc this fall

… part-time senior privacy researcher at Mozilla

… there'll be another Mozilla representative so I can focus on chairing

… role is to help create consensus decisions

<mischat> tlr: Thomas oversees relevant work at the w3

<mischat> aleecia: people with name starting later in the alphabet, please introduce yourself

aleecia: lots of attention, exciting times

… http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/charter.html

… acknowledge massively aggressive schedule

… there's a lot going on in the ecosystem around us

… and a lot of that is going quickly

… also, note users and DNT implementers

… don't want for early adopters to have to change implementation

… also, users rightly perplexed by what browsers are doing

… want to do excellent work, not just fast work

… there will be times when it's important to slow down

… balancing act there

… compressed time line means more work more quickly

… this work is worth the extra effort

… immediate time line: FPWD end of the month

<mischat> http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/charter.html#deliverables

… (deliverable structure)

… let me highlight a few things we'll not do

… definitions part — don't deal with huge issues like "what is privacy"

… not looking into philosophy, nail down terms needed for there set of the documents

… "what does it mean to be a first party"

… expect for the process to be iterative

… also, don't expect to have consensus on everything

… document what has consensus, and what doesn't

… end month with understanding of scope and direction

… what can you do to help?

… input documents!

… some work here is dating back to 2007

http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/

… please send note to mailing list with proposals for input documents

… please be on the lookout for any great input documents

… also, more importantly — think about use cases

… the Princeton humm suggested tracking definition + exceptions

… please send use cases to mailing list that permit somewhat more detailed discussion

… e.g., not just "security"

scribe: also, please think about *your* success criteria

… about the Cambridge meeting — hotels look bad right now, sorry

… two very full days ahead of us with long breaks

… self-hosted dinner on the 21st

… goal is to do things jointly, collaboratively

… we look for spirited back-and-forth, but will step in if discussions should go personal

… most frequently asked question: what to expect for other f2f meetings

… 3-4 meetings; more frequently early on

… second meeting in Santa Clara, CA

… third meeting in Europe, perhaps Belgium — after the holidays

… we'll add fourth meeting if and only if necessary

… travel budgets are known serious issue

… if there's a meeting you just cannot attend, we'll understand

… also, know several orgs are working through paperwork

… MIT sign-up is open to those interested

… please register ASAP — today, ideally

<Bruce> Hello - can you outline the best type of person, i.e. technical background, to attend these session.

<aleecia> oct 31, nov 1 for next meeting

<mischat> tlr: additional information, meeting room booking for TPAC has come through, TPAC registration is open, please reg very soon ...

http://www.w3.org/2011/11/TPAC/#Finalized

david: web and TV IG meeting — can't get to Cambridge

dsinger: dates early, please please please

aleecia: sorry, acknowledged, TPAC 31 October, 1 November

kenny(ATT): wonder — where could I find discussion, references about premise and motivation to do the work?

… appreciate there's lots of legal and pseudo-legal discussions around policy issues

… opt-in/opt-out and so on

… set of foundational assumptions?

aleecia: to address one piece first — opt-in/opt-out is a straight-out political question. out of scope.

… that could vary by browser company, by country — whole variety of factors

… that's a discussion that will continue in other fora

… secondly, in terms of some of the foundational work

… input documents that we have put on the WG home page

… are documents we're looking at right now

… if there are others we should look at, we'd be delighted to have input

… if you have additional input, please provide it

<mischat> http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/#input-documents

… in some cases, will compare documents to see where there are points of agreements

<mischat> ^^ input documents

… in some cases, look at issues etc

… in terms of philosophy for do not track

… expect that if we have 30 people in the room, will have 40 opinions

… different backgrounds and different views

… don't think we'll have all of that resolved

… get to consensus on what technology looks like, and what people need to do

kenny: there must be a consensus about technical requirement assumption

aleecia: consensus of the group

kenny: technical requirements?

aleecia: unusually highly watched, highly political environment

… many of the recommendations from W3C are not on that level

… not unprecedented

… w3c more on the technical, than the political side

… technical decisions / policy decisions influence each other

… note that people from FTC, regulators internationally are paying attention

… likely to act as observers

hannes: my interpretation is that there is one purely technical piece of work

… the header

… there is also a policy piece that goes beyond the technical work

… in the mozilla submission, that related to what the semantics of the header are

<mischat> This specification defines the meaning of a Do Not Track preference and sets out practices for Web sites to comply with this preference." sounds like what people are talking about now

… same meaning associated to that across the meaning

… that's the interesting part of the whole conversation, but also the difficult one

aleecia: that's the bulk of the work, indeed

… to take an example — if there was a decision that DNT does not apply to first parties

… then that has policy implications, also business implications

… those are the things where the technical decisions would implicate the policy effects

DWFarrel: opt-in / opt-out in scope for later?

aleecia: out of scope

francisco: not involved in a w3c group before

… won't be able to attend the first two meetings; I'm in Argentina

… what level of work can be done off-line?

aleecia: expect first draft to be highly face-to-face

… for subsequent drafts, more on mailing list

… use face-to-face to work through issues that have been surfaced on mailing list

… if you're not able to make any of the WG meetings in person, then probably good choice to find somebody else in your organization

francisco: dial-in possible?

aleecia: for first meeting, working to set up phone

… fear the acoustics of the room aren't speaker phone friendly

… also, IRC

… doing best we can to accommodate, but phone bridge might not work as well as we'd like

aleecia: meeting adjourned

<dsinger_> Bye

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