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<trackbot> Date: 22 June 2011
PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the last week telecon, http://www.w3.org/2011/06/15-mediafrag-minutes.html
<davy> +1
<silvia> +1
<Yves> +1
+1
minutes accepted
ACTION-225?
<trackbot> ACTION-225 -- Davy Van Deursen to edit the specification and in particular section 6 to reflect this entire discussion -- due 2011-06-22 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/225
close ACTION-225
<trackbot> ACTION-225 Edit the specification and in particular section 6 to reflect this entire discussion closed
<doublec> Zakim: who is here?
ACTION-226?
<trackbot> ACTION-226 -- Davy Van Deursen to edit the spec again to switch back to "ID" for the 4th dimension -- due 2011-06-22 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/226
close ACTION-226
<trackbot> ACTION-226 Edit the spec again to switch back to "ID" for the 4th dimension closed
ACTION-224?
<trackbot> ACTION-224 -- Raphaël Troncy to send a reply to the 4 commenters -- due 2011-06-15 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/224
First one: Silvia who asked for using the js library for having a validator
<scribe> ACTION: thomas to develop the validator page using his js library for media fragments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/22-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-228 - Develop the validator page using his js library for media fragments [on Thomas Steiner - due 2011-06-29].
Second one: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011May/0037.html
scribe: from Chris
... except for the loop, all other comments have been
adressed
Chris: I confirm
Third one: Boris and Fantasai
The CSS3 spec mentions media fragment: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-images/#url
The SVG 1.1 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/struct.html#Overview
Silvia: I would like to come back
to Chris bugs ... we confirmed a number of things, but what has
been implemented already?
... but Ian's resolution of some HTML5 bugs goes against
this
... so what has been actually implemented
Chris: I might have have a version to release this Friday
<doublec> silvia: what bugs are different to what's discussed in the email?
Yves: at the last TAG meeting, we
discuss fragments in general
... the SVG fragment itself (viewport) though it is not a
XPointer
... the fragment as defined in XML
... the image that re-uses our media fragment syntax
<Yves> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/linking.html#SVGFragmentIdentifiers
SVGview has a XPointer like syntax
Yves: the fact we are always
using an equal sign, means we don't generate XML id, so no
conflict possible
... not something that can be interpreted in different ways by
2 different processors
Raphael: should we discuss with CSS or SVG or Hypertext CG?
Yves: go for CG
... point out the 2 threads, and let us know if there are
issues
... so a request for review from the CG
<scribe> ACTION: troncy to bring the CSS/SVG/Media Fragments possible issues to the CG group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/22-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-229 - Bring the CSS/SVG/Media Fragments possible issues to the CG group [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2011-06-29].
ACTION-224?
<trackbot> ACTION-224 -- Raphaël Troncy to send a reply to the 4 commenters -- due 2011-06-15 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/224
close ACTION-224
<trackbot> ACTION-224 Send a reply to the 4 commenters closed
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10723
Should a UA stop playing at the end of a media fragment
Raphael: stop or actually pause depending on the implementation?
This bug is WONTFIX stage, and points to http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12643
Chris: I can re-open the bug once my implementation is here
Raphael: I'm for re-opening the bug once we have example of implementations that contradict Hixie's thought ... e.g. Mozilla and Opera
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12643
Raphael: a new bug
Silvia: unsure it concerns that much media fragment
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12426
Raphael: looping over media
fragments
... for hixie, looping means playing from the start of the
media, ignoring the fragment
Silvia: Thomas sent numerous use cases
<Yves> but with the fragment, the requested media is the fragment
Raphael: indeed, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Jun/0038.html
Chris: we wait for the spec clarification
Silvia: as soon as there is user
interaction, the media fragments goes away
... I'm not sure loop will be widely implemented anyway ...
since most of the behavior could be done in js
<silvia> … I'm in support of deprecating the loop attribute altogether :-)
Raphael: Thomas wants to re-open
this bug
... Chris and Philip think that loop should be deprecated
anyway
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12425
<Yves> silvia, it might be a possibility yes
Should the UI (and UX) playing a temporal media fragment be standardized?
<Yves> I agree with Hixie that this is UA specific
Raphael: I think Hixie is right, this is not really our business
Silvia: I agree with that too
Raphael: I will close this bug, we accept this resolution
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12427
Raphael: Hixie is saying that this depends on the MIME type of the resource so not HTML5 business
Silvia: don't do anything, depends on discussion with CSS/SVG group discussions
Raphael: I did generate diff files
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/lc1-lc2-diff.htm
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/lc2-cr-diff.htm
Against splitting: Silvia, Raphael
For splitting: Yves (rationale = don't put several ways of doing the same thing)
<Yves> yes, as it is bad for interop
<davy> I'm also against splitting the spec
Raphael: Philip seems to want that the HTTP part gets out of the spec
<Yves> section 5.2
<doublec> sorry phone problems
<doublec> pointer to thread about split?
Chris: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Jun/0021.html
<silvia> how about doing a questionnaire?
<Yves> +1
<scribe> ACTION: troncy to open a questionnaire for splitting out or not (the section 5.2 of) the spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/22-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-230 - Open a questionnaire for splitting out or not (the section 5.2 of) the spec [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2011-06-29].
Raphael: I will put the media
fragments list in cc for the exchange with the hypertext
CG
... goal is then to answer the questionnaire and vote for
transitioning next week