<bblfish> ok I hope I got that started correctly

<bblfish> I think I should have done that differently

<bblfish> who wants to scribe?

<bblfish> it's here http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/Scribing.html

<laszlo> hi all

<bblfish> hi all

<bblfish> anyone want to scribe?

<reto> pchampin but I don't mind scribing

<bblfish> Scribe: reto

<pchampin> I can scribe

<pchampin> scribe: pchampin

<bblfish> Scribe: pchampin

<laszlo> has anyone dialed in using skype? i did last time, now it hungs up when I enter the conf code

<scor> laszlo: try again

<laszlo> ok

<bblfish> 1. Admin

<bblfish> Agreeing to last weeks report

<bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2011/02/07-webid-minutes.html

<scor> laszlo: I had to redial, not with skype though

<bblfish> ACTION: bblfish, to check whether SIP is possible without telefone connection [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/02/21-webid-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - bblfish,

<scor> ACTION bblfish to check whether SIP is possible without telefone connection

<trackbot> Created ACTION-13 - Check whether SIP is possible without telefone connection [on Henry Story - due 2011-02-28].

<scor> bblfish: worked

<scor> do not use the comma

<bblfish> +1

<domel> +1

jeff: I was both in present and regrets in the minutes

bblfish: I'll see if I can fix that; sorry about that

<bblfish> Any new members?

<bblfish> on the call to introduce themselves?

status of the deliverables

<bblfish> here: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/open

close action-3

<trackbot> ACTION-3 Look into mercurial and how mercurial and git interact closed

<bblfish> close action-7

<trackbot> ACTION-7 Create draft doc for use cases closed

close action-7

<trackbot> ACTION-7 Create draft doc for use cases closed

action-9: bblfish sent an email

<trackbot> ACTION-9 Explore test case options notes added

<laszlo> reto: trying zakim@voip.w3.org, I enter 93243, then it says it's not valid (sry for the noise)

<bblfish> close action-10

<trackbot> ACTION-10 Explain how to contribute to the WebID spec closed

action-10: explained in the hg repository

<trackbot> ACTION-10 Explain how to contribute to the WebID spec notes added

bblfish: about action-11, F2F have been proposed, we should vote on that
... one option is in London
... anybody has a preference?

reto: suggest to add a comment to each action when closing them
... to explain why/how they were closed

pchampin: +1

<scor> re action-3, I sent an email re interaction between hg and git

yngve: F2F may conflict with IETF meeting

could be a good idea to organize it just before or after

bblfish: would be a good idea, as there are many security people at IETF
... we should take this into account

<bblfish> Should we aim for f2f in next 2 months?

<jeffsayre> Solar flare?

<jeffsayre> +1

<yngve> +1

<bblfish> +1

<scor> +1, though I won't be in Europe any time soon so can't personally attend

<AlexPassant> can you repeat the poll question ?

<bblfish> Should we aim for f2f in next 2 months?

<domel> +1

<AlexPassant> +1

<bblfish> Are people comeing to europe for IETF meeting?

<reto> not me

<yngve> +1

<jeffsayre> :(

<jeffsayre> done

action-3: scor sent an email re interaction between hg and git

<trackbot> ACTION-3 Look into mercurial and how mercurial and git interact notes added

<jeffsayre> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/Terminology

action-12: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/Terminology

<trackbot> ACTION-12 Start a wiki page detailing vocabulary of terminology for us to use in discussion notes added

close action-12

<trackbot> ACTION-12 Start a wiki page detailing vocabulary of terminology for us to use in discussion closed

<scor> bblfish: it is to list the implementations of WebID

bblfish: we have ~44 issues now
... we need to prioritize them
... we can work out which ones are feasible now, which ones need evolution of browsers...

<scor> find low hanging fruits issues

<reto> +q

reto: I would not just be looking for easy things to do
... would rather work on the abstract architecture
... then compare it with existing technologies

<bblfish> Varieties of Reference: Gareth Evans

bblfish: we don't want to get too abstract
... [reference to the notion of reference in logic/philosophy]

<jeffsayre> +1

bblfish: we are focusing on the webby aspects of identity

reto: I'm not suggesting to make things more complex
... on the contrary: on the mailing list, discussions are sometimes very technical
... we can discus at a more abstract level

<peterw> chatting to the keyassure folks at RSA show, they indicate that little of the IETF work on embedded certs in DNS etc is expected to be market relevant for 2-3 years - even assuming the WG passes its process.

<jeffsayre> Primarily a WebID as a browser-based identifier...

bblfish: point well taken

<peterw> browser and web-proxy - being webby.

bblfish: we start abstract, we narrow it down by aiming at being webby and browser-based

<bblfish> agree with reto: need to work on issue 42 start with general idea and constraints to filter our debates

bblfish: who is working on test cases?

<scor> bblfish: same as ACTION maybe?

<bblfish> open issue-14

<bblfish> open issue 42

<bblfish> open issue-42

<scor> open ISSUE-42

bblfish: people wanting to alter the spec can clone the hg or git
... then we can compare their versions to the original, and merge it to the main branch

<bblfish> is it ok to add the sequence diagram to the spec?

<bblfish> or propose it?

<domel> +1

<scor> +1

bblfish: As an example, I'll add a UML sequence to the spec

<bblfish> ACTION bblfish add sequence diagram to spec via git

<trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Add sequence diagram to spec via git [on Henry Story - due 2011-02-28].

<jeffsayre> +1

<laszlo> +1

<scor> +1

<bblfish> any questions? open time

bblfish: Perhaps we should invite people from the outside

jeffsayre: how many US participants to we have

<scor> we should do a geo poll

jeffsayre: (re the proposition to organize a later F2F there)

<scor> +1

<jeffsayre> +1

<AlexPassant> we could use TPAC

bblfish: people from the US, please write +1?

<scor> AlexPassant: I'm not sure many people will be traveling there?

jeff: Manu, Kingsley are also in the US

<AlexPassant> scor: wont it be easy for US members ?

<AlexPassant> 5-9 june

<AlexPassant> for semtech

<scor> June 5-9, 2011

<AlexPassant> I think you can still organise a f2f session for WebID at semtech

<peterw> rsa conference is oct, london. 1000 SSL types, lots from US travelling.

<bblfish> the http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/

bblfish: the IIW (url above) is a very important event; we should also be part of that

<bblfish> ACTION bblfish to look into us joining Identity Commons

<trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Look into us joining Identity Commons [on Henry Story - due 2011-02-28].

bblfish: not sure what I have to do at the W3C

<peterw> i floated webid (FOAF+SSL) last year at IIC, but w3c "not popular". Need to do some fence mending.

bblfish: as soon as we have a running system
... we must see how it interoperates with other systems (OAuth, OpenIdentity)

pchampin: I'm not a W3C specialist
... but I'm not sure we as a group can be a member of a consortium
... that would be the W3C itself
... but this can be a suggestion of our XG to the W3C

<domel> there are also Oct 2011 - ISWC2011 - Germany

yngve: we should plan F2F early in advance, so that people can arrange

<bblfish> any other issues?

<AlexPassant> do we have a slot for the next meeting ?

<jeffsayre> AlexPassant: Next WebID meeting? Every two weeks.

<jeffsayre> +1

<laszlo> +1

<bblfish> +1

+1

<domel> +1

<bheitman> +1

<AlexPassant> thanks jeffsayre - was not sure we agreed on the same day/time

<AlexPassant> +1

<claudio> +1

<osacco> +1

<jeffsayre> AlexPassant: Same bat channel, same bat time

<reto> +1

bblfish: any new implementation?

pchampin: python implementation on the way, but still needs some polishing

bblfish: clerezza implementation coming soon
... Not sure what is happening with the federated social web XG

<AlexPassant> no idea neither - no activity on the ML :-/

<reto> I'm confused, clerezza already has an implementation

alex: I'm part of that group
... nothing really happening so far

bblfish: we could dynamize their group

claudio: we could ask them to provide us with use-cases

<reto> what happened

<bblfish> here http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories

bblfish: some use cases from the Social Web XG could be copied to our wiki
... and we could see how to implement them with WebID

<reto> pchampin, it just droppedf me out, and now it said "the conference is restricted at this time"

<jeffsayre> Cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG. There will be a handful of intersections that make sense to further develop

pchampin: +1

<jeffsayre> +1

bblfish: would that be an action?

<bblfish> +1

bblfish: and to whom?

<jeffsayre> I'll take it to start with...

action jeffsayre to cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jeffsayre

<bblfish> ACTION jeffsayre to take a start at Cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG. There will be a handful of intersections that make sense to further develop

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jeffsayre

<bblfish> ACTION sayre to take a start at Cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG. There will be a handful of intersections that make sense to further develop

<trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Take a start at Cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG. There will be a handful of intersections that make sense to further develop [on Jeff Sayre - due 2011-02-28].

<bblfish> shall we close the meeting?

<scor_> +1

<jeffsayre> =!

<domel> +1

<laszlo> +1

<jeffsayre> oops +1

<bheitman> +1

+1

<claudio> +1

<bblfish> hehe ok , thanks for coming. Talk to you in 2 weeks again.

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