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15:58:56 <bblfish> rrsagent, bookmark
15:58:56 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2011/02/21-webid-irc#T15-58-56
15:59:42 <bblfish> zakim, this will be webid
15:59:43 <Zakim> ok, bblfish, I see INC_WEBID(WEBID)11:00AM already started
15:59:50 <domel> zakim, who's here?
15:59:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see bblfish, [IPcaller], PeterW, scor, +44.500.aaaa, claudio
15:59:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, pchampin, claudio, scor, osacco, bblfish, domel, reto, peterw, danbri, mischat, webr3, MacTed, trackbot
16:00:02 <bblfish> ok I hope I got that started correctly
16:00:08 <bblfish> I think I should have done that differently
16:00:21 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:00:47 <bblfish> who wants to scribe?
16:00:49 <Zakim> +pchampin
16:00:56 <reto> zakim, I am  +44.500.aaaa
16:00:56 <Zakim> +reto; got it
16:00:58 <bblfish> it's here http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/Scribing.html
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16:01:22 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:01:26 <laszlo> hi all
16:01:34 <reto> Zakim, who's muted?
16:01:34 <Zakim> I see pchampin muted
16:01:34 <domel> zakim, who's here?
16:01:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see bblfish, PeterW, scor, reto, claudio, pchampin (muted), [IPcaller]
16:01:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see laszlo, RRSAgent, Zakim, pchampin, claudio, scor, osacco, bblfish, domel, reto, peterw, danbri, mischat, webr3, MacTed, trackbot
16:01:44 <Zakim> +jeffsayre
16:01:45 <bblfish> hi all
16:01:57 <domel> zakim, I am [IPcaller]
16:01:57 <Zakim> ok, domel, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
16:02:24 <domel> zakim, who's here?
16:02:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see bblfish, PeterW, scor, reto, claudio, pchampin, [IPcaller], jeffsayre
16:02:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see laszlo, RRSAgent, Zakim, pchampin, claudio, scor, osacco, bblfish, domel, reto, peterw, danbri, mischat, webr3, MacTed, trackbot
16:02:37 <jeffsayre> jeffsayre has joined #webid
16:02:49 <domel> zakim, I am [IPcaller]
16:02:49 <Zakim> ok, domel, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
16:02:56 <domel> zakim, who's here?
16:02:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see bblfish, PeterW, scor, reto, claudio, pchampin (muted), [IPcaller], jeffsayre
16:02:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see jeffsayre, laszlo, RRSAgent, Zakim, pchampin, claudio, scor, osacco, bblfish, domel, reto, peterw, danbri, mischat, webr3, MacTed, trackbot
16:03:10 <claudio> zakim, mute me
16:03:10 <Zakim> claudio should now be muted
16:03:23 <bblfish> anyone want to scribe?
16:03:27 <AlexPassant> AlexPassant has joined #webid
16:03:38 <domel> zakim, [IPcaller] is domel
16:03:38 <Zakim> +domel; got it
16:03:44 <domel> zakim, who's here?
16:03:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see bblfish, PeterW, scor, reto, claudio (muted), pchampin (muted), domel, jeffsayre
16:03:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see AlexPassant, jeffsayre, laszlo, RRSAgent, Zakim, pchampin, claudio, scor, osacco, bblfish, domel, reto, peterw, danbri, mischat, webr3, MacTed, trackbot
16:03:59 <reto>  pchampin but I don't mind scribing
16:05:00 <bblfish> Scribe: reto
16:05:18 <pchampin> I can scribe
16:05:25 <pchampin> scribe: pchampin
16:05:29 <bblfish> Scribe: pchampin
16:05:32 <Zakim> +AlexPassant
16:05:50 <laszlo> has anyone dialed in using skype? i did last time, now it hungs up when I enter the conf code
16:06:03 <scor> laszlo: try again
16:06:09 <laszlo> ok
16:06:11 <bblfish> 1. Admin
16:06:12 <bblfish> Agreeing to last weeks report
16:06:12 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2011/02/07-webid-minutes.html
16:06:15 <scor> laszlo: I had to redial, not with skype though
16:07:22 <Zakim> +pchampin.a
16:07:56 <bblfish> action: bblfish, to check whether SIP is possible without telefone connection
16:07:56 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - bblfish,
16:08:18 <scor> ACTION bblfish to check whether SIP is possible without telefone connection
16:08:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-13 - Check whether SIP is possible without telefone connection [on Henry Story - due 2011-02-28].
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16:08:26 <scor> bblfish: worked
16:08:34 <scor> do not use the comma
16:08:53 <Zakim> +??P26
16:08:58 <bblfish> +1
16:09:00 <domel> +1
16:09:05 <yngve> Zakim, P26 is yngve
16:09:05 <Zakim> sorry, yngve, I do not recognize a party named 'P26'
16:10:05 <yngve> zakim, ??P26 is yngve
16:10:05 <Zakim> +yngve; got it
16:10:05 <pchampin> jeff: I was both in present and regrets in the minutes
16:10:22 <pchampin> bblfish: I'll see if I can fix that; sorry about that
16:10:31 <bblfish> Any new members?
16:10:37 <bblfish> on the call to introduce themselves?
16:11:22 <pchampin> topic: status of the deliverables
16:11:26 <bblfish> here: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/open
16:11:49 <pchampin> close action-3
16:11:49 <trackbot> ACTION-3 Look into mercurial and how mercurial and git interact closed
16:12:05 <bblfish> close action-7
16:12:05 <trackbot> ACTION-7 Create draft doc for use cases closed
16:12:06 <pchampin> close action-7
16:12:06 <trackbot> ACTION-7 Create draft doc for use cases closed
16:12:43 <pchampin> action-9: bblfish sent an email
16:12:43 <trackbot> ACTION-9 Explore test case options notes added
16:13:00 <reto> q+
16:13:07 <laszlo> reto: trying zakim@voip.w3.org, I enter 93243, then it says it's not valid (sry for the noise)
16:13:16 <bblfish> close action-10
16:13:16 <trackbot> ACTION-10 Explain how to contribute to the WebID spec closed
16:13:18 <pchampin> action-10: explained in the hg repository
16:13:18 <trackbot> ACTION-10 Explain how to contribute to the WebID spec notes added
16:14:18 <pchampin> bblfish: about action-11, F2F have been proposed, we should vote on that
16:14:22 <pchampin> ... one option is in London
16:14:24 <yngve> q+
16:14:55 <pchampin> ... anybody has a preference?
16:15:50 <reto> q-
16:16:09 <pchampin> reto: suggest to add a comment to each action when closing them
16:16:15 <pchampin> ... to explain why/how they were closed
16:16:19 <pchampin> pchampin: +1
16:16:22 <scor> re action-3, I sent an email re interaction between hg and git
16:16:44 <pchampin> ack yngve
16:17:02 <pchampin> yngve: F2F may conflict with IETF meeting
16:18:05 <pchampin> could be a good idea to organize it just before or after
16:18:41 <pchampin> bblfish: would be a good idea, as there are many security people at IETF
16:18:58 <pchampin> ... we should take this into account
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16:21:11 <bblfish> Should we aim for f2f in next 2 months?
16:21:17 <Zakim> +??P2
16:21:35 <scor> Zakim, who is making noise?
16:21:44 <jeffsayre> Solar flare?
16:21:52 <Zakim> scor, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pchampin.aa (90%)
16:22:24 <jeffsayre> +1
16:22:28 <yngve> +1
16:22:35 <bblfish> +1
16:22:53 <scor> +1, though I won't be in Europe any time soon so can't personally attend
16:22:55 <AlexPassant> can you repeat the poll question ?
16:23:05 <bblfish> Should we aim for f2f in next 2 months?
16:23:08 <domel> +1
16:23:08 <jeffsayre> zakim, mute me
16:23:08 <Zakim> jeffsayre should now be muted
16:23:13 <AlexPassant> +1
16:23:31 <bblfish> Are people comeing to europe for IETF meeting?
16:23:37 <reto> not me
16:23:42 <yngve> +1
16:23:51 <jeffsayre> :(
16:24:04 <jeffsayre> done
16:24:09 <pchampin> action-3: scor sent an email re interaction between hg and git
16:24:09 <trackbot> ACTION-3 Look into mercurial and how mercurial and git interact notes added
16:24:27 <jeffsayre> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/Terminology
16:24:39 <pchampin> action-12: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/Terminology
16:24:39 <trackbot> ACTION-12 Start a wiki page detailing vocabulary of terminology for us to use in discussion notes added
16:24:42 <pchampin> close action-12
16:24:43 <trackbot> ACTION-12 Start a wiki page detailing vocabulary of terminology for us to use in discussion closed
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16:25:20 <laszlo> zakim, ??P2 is me
16:25:20 <Zakim> +laszlo; got it
16:26:18 <scor> bblfish: it is to list the implementations of WebID
16:26:35 <pchampin> bblfish: we have ~44 issues now
16:26:50 <pchampin> ... we need to prioritize them
16:27:32 <pchampin> ... we can work out which ones are feasible now, which ones need evolution of browsers...
16:27:42 <scor> find low hanging fruits issues
16:27:56 <reto> +q
16:28:01 <bblfish> Q?
16:28:36 <pchampin> reto: I would not just be looking for easy things to do
16:28:44 <pchampin> ... would rather work on the abstract architecture
16:29:01 <pchampin> ... then compare it with existing technologies
16:29:28 <bblfish> Varieties of Reference: Gareth Evans
16:29:56 <pchampin> bblfish: we don't want to get too abstract
16:30:01 <Zakim> -pchampin
16:30:08 <pchampin> ... [reference to the notion of reference in logic/philosophy]
16:31:00 <jeffsayre> +1
16:31:17 <pchampin> ... we are focusing on the webby aspects of identity
16:32:15 <pchampin> reto: I'm not suggesting to make things more complex
16:32:28 <pchampin> ... on the contrary: on the mailing list, discussions are sometimes very technical
16:32:42 <pchampin> ... we can discus at a more abstract level
16:32:56 <peterw> chatting to the keyassure folks at RSA show, they indicate that little of the IETF work on embedded certs in DNS etc is expected to be market relevant for 2-3 years - even assuming the WG passes its process.
16:33:05 <jeffsayre> Primarily a WebID as a browser-based identifier...
16:33:31 <pchampin> bblfish: point well taken
16:33:35 <peterw> browser and web-proxy - being webby.
16:33:44 <reto> q-
16:34:10 <pchampin> ... we start abstract, we narrow it down by aiming at being webby and browser-based
16:35:15 <bblfish> agree with reto: need to work on issue 42 start with general idea and constraints to filter our debates
16:36:09 <pchampin> bblfish: who is working on test cases?
16:36:35 <scor> bblfish: same as ACTION maybe?
16:36:37 <bblfish> open issue-14
16:36:52 <bblfish> open issue 42
16:36:58 <bblfish> open issue-42
16:37:59 <scor> open ISSUE-42
16:38:58 <pchampin> bblfish: people wanting to alter the spec can clone the hg or git
16:39:12 <pchampin> ... then we can compare their versions to the original, and merge it to the main branch
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16:39:49 <bblfish> is it ok to add the sequence diagram to the spec?
16:39:54 <bblfish> or propose it?
16:39:55 <domel> +1
16:39:56 <scor> +1
16:40:08 <pchampin> ... As an example, I'll add a UML sequence to the spec
16:40:13 <bblfish> ACTION bblfish add sequence diagram to spec via git 
16:40:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Add sequence diagram to spec via git  [on Henry Story - due 2011-02-28].
16:40:27 <jeffsayre> +1
16:40:29 <laszlo> +1
16:40:30 <scor> +1
16:41:06 <bblfish> any questions? open time
16:41:12 <pchampin> bblfish: Perhaps we should invite people from the outside
16:41:23 <jeffsayre> q+
16:41:34 <pchampin> ack jeffsayre
16:41:50 <pchampin> jeffsayre: how many participants to we have
16:42:00 <scor> we should do a geo poll
16:42:01 <pchampin> ... (re  the proposition to organize a later F2F there)
16:42:01 <scor> +1
16:42:02 <jeffsayre> +1
16:42:05 <AlexPassant> s/many participants/many US participants
16:42:22 <AlexPassant> we could use TPAC
16:42:24 <pchampin> bblfish: people from the US, please write +1?
16:42:41 <scor> AlexPassant: I'm not sure many people will be traveling there?
16:42:42 <pchampin> jeff: Manu, Kingsley are also in the US
16:42:58 <AlexPassant> scor: wont it be easy for US members ?
16:43:00 <AlexPassant> 5-9 june
16:43:02 <AlexPassant> for semtech
16:43:07 <scor> June 5-9, 2011
16:43:43 <AlexPassant> I think you can still organise a f2f session for WebID at semtech
16:43:53 <yngve> q+
16:44:38 <peterw> rsa conference is oct, london. 1000 SSL types, lots from US travelling.
16:45:19 <bblfish> the http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/
16:45:48 <pchampin> bblfish: the IIW (url above) is a very important event; we should also be part of that
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16:46:11 <bblfish> ACTION bblfish to look into us joining Identity Commons
16:46:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Look into us joining Identity Commons [on Henry Story - due 2011-02-28].
16:46:31 <pchampin> ... not sure what I have to do at the W3C
16:46:43 <peterw> i floated webid (FOAF+SSL) last year at IIC, but w3c "not popular". Need to do some fence mending.
16:47:02 <pchampin> ... as soon as we have a running system
16:47:27 <pchampin> ... we must see how it interoperates with other systems (OAuth, OpenIdentity)
16:48:39 <pchampin> pchampin: I'm not a W3C specialist
16:48:51 <pchampin> ... but I'm not sure we as a group can be a member of a consortium
16:48:52 <bblfish> q?
16:48:59 <pchampin> ... that would be the W3C itself
16:49:13 <jeffsayre> zakim, mute me
16:49:13 <Zakim> jeffsayre should now be muted
16:49:21 <pchampin> ... but this can be a suggestion of our XG to the W3C
16:50:11 <domel> there are also Oct 2011 - ISWC2011 - Germany
16:50:18 <pchampin> ack yngve
16:50:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/21-webid-minutes.html pchampin
16:52:55 <pchampin> yngve: we should plan F2F early in advance, so that people can arrange
16:53:09 <bblfish> any other issues?
16:53:25 <AlexPassant> do we have a slot for the next meeting ?
16:54:42 <jeffsayre> AlexPassant: Next WebID meeting? Every two weeks.
16:54:54 <jeffsayre> +1
16:54:57 <laszlo> +1
16:54:58 <bblfish> +1
16:54:59 <pchampin> +1
16:54:59 <domel> +1
16:55:01 <bheitman> +1
16:55:02 <AlexPassant> thanks jeffsayre - was not sure we agreed on the same day/time
16:55:03 <AlexPassant> +1
16:55:08 <claudio> +1
16:55:09 <osacco> +1
16:55:24 <jeffsayre> AlexPassant: Same bat channel, same bat time
16:55:44 <reto> +1
16:55:48 <pchampin> bblfish: any new implementation?
16:56:06 <pchampin> pchampin: python implementation on the way, but still needs some polishing
16:56:32 <pchampin> bblfish: clerezza implementation coming soon
16:56:51 <pchampin> ... Not sure what is happening with the federated social web XG
16:56:56 <AlexPassant> no idea neither - no activity on the ML :-/
16:57:11 <reto> I'm confused, clerezza already has an implementation
16:57:25 <pchampin> alex: I'm part of that group
16:57:37 <pchampin> ... nothing really happening so far
16:57:54 <claudio> zakim, unmute me
16:57:54 <Zakim> claudio should no longer be muted
16:58:14 <pchampin> bblfish: we could dynamize their group
16:58:30 <pchampin> claudio: we could ask them to provide us with use-cases
16:58:41 <Zakim> -reto
16:58:53 <reto> what happened 
16:59:12 <bblfish> here http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories
17:00:06 <pchampin> bblfish: some use cases from the Social Web XG could be copied to our wiki
17:00:21 <pchampin> ... and we could see how to implement them with WebID
17:00:22 <bblfish> q?
17:00:24 <reto> pchampin, it just droppedf me out, and now it said "the conference is restricted at this time"
17:01:57 <jeffsayre> Cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG. There will be a handful of intersections that make sense to further develop
17:02:05 <pchampin> pchampin: +1
17:02:16 <jeffsayre> +1
17:02:32 <pchampin> bblfish: would that be an action?
17:02:34 <bblfish> +1
17:02:36 <pchampin> ... and to whom?
17:03:18 <jeffsayre> I'll take it to start with...
17:03:39 <pchampin> action jeffsayre to cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG
17:03:39 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jeffsayre
17:03:44 <bblfish> ACTION jeffsayre to take a start at  Cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG. There will be a handful of intersections that make sense to further develop
17:03:44 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jeffsayre
17:04:01 <bblfish> ACTION sayre to take a start at  Cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG. There will be a handful of intersections that make sense to further develop
17:04:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Take a start at  Cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG. There will be a handful of intersections that make sense to further develop [on Jeff Sayre - due 2011-02-28].
17:04:21 <bblfish> shall we close the meeting?
17:04:26 <scor_> +1
17:04:30 <jeffsayre> =!
17:04:30 <domel> +1
17:04:33 <laszlo> +1
17:04:34 <jeffsayre> oops +1
17:04:35 <bheitman> +1
17:04:40 <pchampin> +1
17:04:40 <claudio> +1
17:04:43 <Zakim> -yngve
17:04:53 <bblfish> hehe ok , thanks for coming. Talk to you in 2 weeks again. 
17:04:58 <Zakim> -scor
17:05:03 <Zakim> -PeterW
17:05:04 <Zakim> -AlexPassant
17:05:07 <Zakim> -claudio
17:05:10 <Zakim> -domel
17:05:12 <pchampin> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:05:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/21-webid-minutes.html pchampin
17:05:15 <Zakim> -jeffsayre
17:05:49 <Zakim> -laszlo
17:07:39 <Zakim> -bblfish
17:07:42 <Zakim> -pchampin.aa
17:07:44 <Zakim> INC_WEBID(WEBID)11:00AM has ended
17:07:46 <Zakim> Attendees were bblfish, PeterW, scor, +44.500.aaaa, claudio, pchampin, reto, jeffsayre, domel, AlexPassant, yngve, laszlo
17:07:54 <bblfish> ah it just happens by itself.
17:08:11 <bblfish> great thanks all
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18:45:37 <bblfish> rsa
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