IRC log of webid on 2011-02-21

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15:58:30 [RRSAgent]
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15:58:56 [bblfish]
rrsagent, bookmark
15:58:56 [RRSAgent]
See http://www.w3.org/2011/02/21-webid-irc#T15-58-56
15:59:42 [bblfish]
zakim, this will be webid
15:59:43 [Zakim]
ok, bblfish, I see INC_WEBID(WEBID)11:00AM already started
15:59:50 [domel]
zakim, who's here?
15:59:50 [Zakim]
On the phone I see bblfish, [IPcaller], PeterW, scor, +44.500.aaaa, claudio
15:59:54 [Zakim]
On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, pchampin, claudio, scor, osacco, bblfish, domel, reto, peterw, danbri, mischat, webr3, MacTed, trackbot
16:00:02 [bblfish]
ok I hope I got that started correctly
16:00:08 [bblfish]
I think I should have done that differently
16:00:21 [Zakim]
-[IPcaller]
16:00:47 [bblfish]
who wants to scribe?
16:00:49 [Zakim]
+pchampin
16:00:56 [reto]
zakim, I am +44.500.aaaa
16:00:56 [Zakim]
+reto; got it
16:00:58 [bblfish]
it's here http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/Scribing.html
16:01:13 [laszlo]
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16:01:22 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
16:01:26 [laszlo]
hi all
16:01:34 [reto]
Zakim, who's muted?
16:01:34 [Zakim]
I see pchampin muted
16:01:34 [domel]
zakim, who's here?
16:01:36 [Zakim]
On the phone I see bblfish, PeterW, scor, reto, claudio, pchampin (muted), [IPcaller]
16:01:38 [Zakim]
On IRC I see laszlo, RRSAgent, Zakim, pchampin, claudio, scor, osacco, bblfish, domel, reto, peterw, danbri, mischat, webr3, MacTed, trackbot
16:01:44 [Zakim]
+jeffsayre
16:01:45 [bblfish]
hi all
16:01:57 [domel]
zakim, I am [IPcaller]
16:01:57 [Zakim]
ok, domel, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
16:02:24 [domel]
zakim, who's here?
16:02:24 [Zakim]
On the phone I see bblfish, PeterW, scor, reto, claudio, pchampin, [IPcaller], jeffsayre
16:02:26 [Zakim]
On IRC I see laszlo, RRSAgent, Zakim, pchampin, claudio, scor, osacco, bblfish, domel, reto, peterw, danbri, mischat, webr3, MacTed, trackbot
16:02:37 [jeffsayre]
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16:02:49 [domel]
zakim, I am [IPcaller]
16:02:49 [Zakim]
ok, domel, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
16:02:56 [domel]
zakim, who's here?
16:02:56 [Zakim]
On the phone I see bblfish, PeterW, scor, reto, claudio, pchampin (muted), [IPcaller], jeffsayre
16:02:58 [Zakim]
On IRC I see jeffsayre, laszlo, RRSAgent, Zakim, pchampin, claudio, scor, osacco, bblfish, domel, reto, peterw, danbri, mischat, webr3, MacTed, trackbot
16:03:10 [claudio]
zakim, mute me
16:03:10 [Zakim]
claudio should now be muted
16:03:23 [bblfish]
anyone want to scribe?
16:03:27 [AlexPassant]
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16:03:38 [domel]
zakim, [IPcaller] is domel
16:03:38 [Zakim]
+domel; got it
16:03:44 [domel]
zakim, who's here?
16:03:44 [Zakim]
On the phone I see bblfish, PeterW, scor, reto, claudio (muted), pchampin (muted), domel, jeffsayre
16:03:46 [Zakim]
On IRC I see AlexPassant, jeffsayre, laszlo, RRSAgent, Zakim, pchampin, claudio, scor, osacco, bblfish, domel, reto, peterw, danbri, mischat, webr3, MacTed, trackbot
16:03:59 [reto]
pchampin but I don't mind scribing
16:05:00 [bblfish]
Scribe: reto
16:05:18 [pchampin]
I can scribe
16:05:25 [pchampin]
scribe: pchampin
16:05:29 [bblfish]
Scribe: pchampin
16:05:32 [Zakim]
+AlexPassant
16:05:50 [laszlo]
has anyone dialed in using skype? i did last time, now it hungs up when I enter the conf code
16:06:03 [scor]
laszlo: try again
16:06:09 [laszlo]
ok
16:06:11 [bblfish]
1. Admin
16:06:12 [bblfish]
Agreeing to last weeks report
16:06:12 [bblfish]
http://www.w3.org/2011/02/07-webid-minutes.html
16:06:15 [scor]
laszlo: I had to redial, not with skype though
16:07:22 [Zakim]
+pchampin.a
16:07:56 [bblfish]
action: bblfish, to check whether SIP is possible without telefone connection
16:07:56 [trackbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - bblfish,
16:08:18 [scor]
ACTION bblfish to check whether SIP is possible without telefone connection
16:08:18 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-13 - Check whether SIP is possible without telefone connection [on Henry Story - due 2011-02-28].
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16:08:26 [scor]
bblfish: worked
16:08:34 [scor]
do not use the comma
16:08:53 [Zakim]
+??P26
16:08:58 [bblfish]
+1
16:09:00 [domel]
+1
16:09:05 [yngve]
Zakim, P26 is yngve
16:09:05 [Zakim]
sorry, yngve, I do not recognize a party named 'P26'
16:10:05 [yngve]
zakim, ??P26 is yngve
16:10:05 [Zakim]
+yngve; got it
16:10:05 [pchampin]
jeff: I was both in present and regrets in the minutes
16:10:22 [pchampin]
bblfish: I'll see if I can fix that; sorry about that
16:10:31 [bblfish]
Any new members?
16:10:37 [bblfish]
on the call to introduce themselves?
16:11:22 [pchampin]
topic: status of the deliverables
16:11:26 [bblfish]
here: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/open
16:11:49 [pchampin]
close action-3
16:11:49 [trackbot]
ACTION-3 Look into mercurial and how mercurial and git interact closed
16:12:05 [bblfish]
close action-7
16:12:05 [trackbot]
ACTION-7 Create draft doc for use cases closed
16:12:06 [pchampin]
close action-7
16:12:06 [trackbot]
ACTION-7 Create draft doc for use cases closed
16:12:43 [pchampin]
action-9: bblfish sent an email
16:12:43 [trackbot]
ACTION-9 Explore test case options notes added
16:13:00 [reto]
q+
16:13:07 [laszlo]
reto: trying zakim@voip.w3.org, I enter 93243, then it says it's not valid (sry for the noise)
16:13:16 [bblfish]
close action-10
16:13:16 [trackbot]
ACTION-10 Explain how to contribute to the WebID spec closed
16:13:18 [pchampin]
action-10: explained in the hg repository
16:13:18 [trackbot]
ACTION-10 Explain how to contribute to the WebID spec notes added
16:14:18 [pchampin]
bblfish: about action-11, F2F have been proposed, we should vote on that
16:14:22 [pchampin]
... one option is in London
16:14:24 [yngve]
q+
16:14:55 [pchampin]
... anybody has a preference?
16:15:50 [reto]
q-
16:16:09 [pchampin]
reto: suggest to add a comment to each action when closing them
16:16:15 [pchampin]
... to explain why/how they were closed
16:16:19 [pchampin]
pchampin: +1
16:16:22 [scor]
re action-3, I sent an email re interaction between hg and git
16:16:44 [pchampin]
ack yngve
16:17:02 [pchampin]
yngve: F2F may conflict with IETF meeting
16:18:05 [pchampin]
could be a good idea to organize it just before or after
16:18:41 [pchampin]
bblfish: would be a good idea, as there are many security people at IETF
16:18:58 [pchampin]
... we should take this into account
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16:21:11 [bblfish]
Should we aim for f2f in next 2 months?
16:21:17 [Zakim]
+??P2
16:21:35 [scor]
Zakim, who is making noise?
16:21:44 [jeffsayre]
Solar flare?
16:21:52 [Zakim]
scor, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pchampin.aa (90%)
16:22:24 [jeffsayre]
+1
16:22:28 [yngve]
+1
16:22:35 [bblfish]
+1
16:22:53 [scor]
+1, though I won't be in Europe any time soon so can't personally attend
16:22:55 [AlexPassant]
can you repeat the poll question ?
16:23:05 [bblfish]
Should we aim for f2f in next 2 months?
16:23:08 [domel]
+1
16:23:08 [jeffsayre]
zakim, mute me
16:23:08 [Zakim]
jeffsayre should now be muted
16:23:13 [AlexPassant]
+1
16:23:31 [bblfish]
Are people comeing to europe for IETF meeting?
16:23:37 [reto]
not me
16:23:42 [yngve]
+1
16:23:51 [jeffsayre]
:(
16:24:04 [jeffsayre]
done
16:24:09 [pchampin]
action-3: scor sent an email re interaction between hg and git
16:24:09 [trackbot]
ACTION-3 Look into mercurial and how mercurial and git interact notes added
16:24:27 [jeffsayre]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/Terminology
16:24:39 [pchampin]
action-12: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/Terminology
16:24:39 [trackbot]
ACTION-12 Start a wiki page detailing vocabulary of terminology for us to use in discussion notes added
16:24:42 [pchampin]
close action-12
16:24:43 [trackbot]
ACTION-12 Start a wiki page detailing vocabulary of terminology for us to use in discussion closed
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16:25:20 [laszlo]
zakim, ??P2 is me
16:25:20 [Zakim]
+laszlo; got it
16:26:18 [scor]
bblfish: it is to list the implementations of WebID
16:26:35 [pchampin]
bblfish: we have ~44 issues now
16:26:50 [pchampin]
... we need to prioritize them
16:27:32 [pchampin]
... we can work out which ones are feasible now, which ones need evolution of browsers...
16:27:42 [scor]
find low hanging fruits issues
16:27:56 [reto]
+q
16:28:01 [bblfish]
Q?
16:28:36 [pchampin]
reto: I would not just be looking for easy things to do
16:28:44 [pchampin]
... would rather work on the abstract architecture
16:29:01 [pchampin]
... then compare it with existing technologies
16:29:28 [bblfish]
Varieties of Reference: Gareth Evans
16:29:56 [pchampin]
bblfish: we don't want to get too abstract
16:30:01 [Zakim]
-pchampin
16:30:08 [pchampin]
... [reference to the notion of reference in logic/philosophy]
16:31:00 [jeffsayre]
+1
16:31:17 [pchampin]
... we are focusing on the webby aspects of identity
16:32:15 [pchampin]
reto: I'm not suggesting to make things more complex
16:32:28 [pchampin]
... on the contrary: on the mailing list, discussions are sometimes very technical
16:32:42 [pchampin]
... we can discus at a more abstract level
16:32:56 [peterw]
chatting to the keyassure folks at RSA show, they indicate that little of the IETF work on embedded certs in DNS etc is expected to be market relevant for 2-3 years - even assuming the WG passes its process.
16:33:05 [jeffsayre]
Primarily a WebID as a browser-based identifier...
16:33:31 [pchampin]
bblfish: point well taken
16:33:35 [peterw]
browser and web-proxy - being webby.
16:33:44 [reto]
q-
16:34:10 [pchampin]
... we start abstract, we narrow it down by aiming at being webby and browser-based
16:35:15 [bblfish]
agree with reto: need to work on issue 42 start with general idea and constraints to filter our debates
16:36:09 [pchampin]
bblfish: who is working on test cases?
16:36:35 [scor]
bblfish: same as ACTION maybe?
16:36:37 [bblfish]
open issue-14
16:36:52 [bblfish]
open issue 42
16:36:58 [bblfish]
open issue-42
16:37:59 [scor]
open ISSUE-42
16:38:58 [pchampin]
bblfish: people wanting to alter the spec can clone the hg or git
16:39:12 [pchampin]
... then we can compare their versions to the original, and merge it to the main branch
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16:39:49 [bblfish]
is it ok to add the sequence diagram to the spec?
16:39:54 [bblfish]
or propose it?
16:39:55 [domel]
+1
16:39:56 [scor]
+1
16:40:08 [pchampin]
... As an example, I'll add a UML sequence to the spec
16:40:13 [bblfish]
ACTION bblfish add sequence diagram to spec via git
16:40:13 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-14 - Add sequence diagram to spec via git [on Henry Story - due 2011-02-28].
16:40:27 [jeffsayre]
+1
16:40:29 [laszlo]
+1
16:40:30 [scor]
+1
16:41:06 [bblfish]
any questions? open time
16:41:12 [pchampin]
bblfish: Perhaps we should invite people from the outside
16:41:23 [jeffsayre]
q+
16:41:34 [pchampin]
ack jeffsayre
16:41:50 [pchampin]
jeffsayre: how many participants to we have
16:42:00 [scor]
we should do a geo poll
16:42:01 [pchampin]
... (re the proposition to organize a later F2F there)
16:42:01 [scor]
+1
16:42:02 [jeffsayre]
+1
16:42:05 [AlexPassant]
s/many participants/many US participants
16:42:22 [AlexPassant]
we could use TPAC
16:42:24 [pchampin]
bblfish: people from the US, please write +1?
16:42:41 [scor]
AlexPassant: I'm not sure many people will be traveling there?
16:42:42 [pchampin]
jeff: Manu, Kingsley are also in the US
16:42:58 [AlexPassant]
scor: wont it be easy for US members ?
16:43:00 [AlexPassant]
5-9 june
16:43:02 [AlexPassant]
for semtech
16:43:07 [scor]
June 5-9, 2011
16:43:43 [AlexPassant]
I think you can still organise a f2f session for WebID at semtech
16:43:53 [yngve]
q+
16:44:38 [peterw]
rsa conference is oct, london. 1000 SSL types, lots from US travelling.
16:45:19 [bblfish]
the http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/
16:45:48 [pchampin]
bblfish: the IIW (url above) is a very important event; we should also be part of that
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16:46:11 [bblfish]
ACTION bblfish to look into us joining Identity Commons
16:46:11 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-16 - Look into us joining Identity Commons [on Henry Story - due 2011-02-28].
16:46:31 [pchampin]
... not sure what I have to do at the W3C
16:46:43 [peterw]
i floated webid (FOAF+SSL) last year at IIC, but w3c "not popular". Need to do some fence mending.
16:47:02 [pchampin]
... as soon as we have a running system
16:47:27 [pchampin]
... we must see how it interoperates with other systems (OAuth, OpenIdentity)
16:48:39 [pchampin]
pchampin: I'm not a W3C specialist
16:48:51 [pchampin]
... but I'm not sure we as a group can be a member of a consortium
16:48:52 [bblfish]
q?
16:48:59 [pchampin]
... that would be the W3C itself
16:49:13 [jeffsayre]
zakim, mute me
16:49:13 [Zakim]
jeffsayre should now be muted
16:49:21 [pchampin]
... but this can be a suggestion of our XG to the W3C
16:50:11 [domel]
there are also Oct 2011 - ISWC2011 - Germany
16:50:18 [pchampin]
ack yngve
16:50:51 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/21-webid-minutes.html pchampin
16:52:55 [pchampin]
yngve: we should plan F2F early in advance, so that people can arrange
16:53:09 [bblfish]
any other issues?
16:53:25 [AlexPassant]
do we have a slot for the next meeting ?
16:54:42 [jeffsayre]
AlexPassant: Next WebID meeting? Every two weeks.
16:54:54 [jeffsayre]
+1
16:54:57 [laszlo]
+1
16:54:58 [bblfish]
+1
16:54:59 [pchampin]
+1
16:54:59 [domel]
+1
16:55:01 [bheitman]
+1
16:55:02 [AlexPassant]
thanks jeffsayre - was not sure we agreed on the same day/time
16:55:03 [AlexPassant]
+1
16:55:08 [claudio]
+1
16:55:09 [osacco]
+1
16:55:24 [jeffsayre]
AlexPassant: Same bat channel, same bat time
16:55:44 [reto]
+1
16:55:48 [pchampin]
bblfish: any new implementation?
16:56:06 [pchampin]
pchampin: python implementation on the way, but still needs some polishing
16:56:32 [pchampin]
bblfish: clerezza implementation coming soon
16:56:51 [pchampin]
... Not sure what is happening with the federated social web XG
16:56:56 [AlexPassant]
no idea neither - no activity on the ML :-/
16:57:11 [reto]
I'm confused, clerezza already has an implementation
16:57:25 [pchampin]
alex: I'm part of that group
16:57:37 [pchampin]
... nothing really happening so far
16:57:54 [claudio]
zakim, unmute me
16:57:54 [Zakim]
claudio should no longer be muted
16:58:14 [pchampin]
bblfish: we could dynamize their group
16:58:30 [pchampin]
claudio: we could ask them to provide us with use-cases
16:58:41 [Zakim]
-reto
16:58:53 [reto]
what happened
16:59:12 [bblfish]
here http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/UserStories
17:00:06 [pchampin]
bblfish: some use cases from the Social Web XG could be copied to our wiki
17:00:21 [pchampin]
... and we could see how to implement them with WebID
17:00:22 [bblfish]
q?
17:00:24 [reto]
pchampin, it just droppedf me out, and now it said "the conference is restricted at this time"
17:01:57 [jeffsayre]
Cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG. There will be a handful of intersections that make sense to further develop
17:02:05 [pchampin]
pchampin: +1
17:02:16 [jeffsayre]
+1
17:02:32 [pchampin]
bblfish: would that be an action?
17:02:34 [bblfish]
+1
17:02:36 [pchampin]
... and to whom?
17:03:18 [jeffsayre]
I'll take it to start with...
17:03:39 [pchampin]
action jeffsayre to cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG
17:03:39 [trackbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - jeffsayre
17:03:44 [bblfish]
ACTION jeffsayre to take a start at Cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG. There will be a handful of intersections that make sense to further develop
17:03:44 [trackbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - jeffsayre
17:04:01 [bblfish]
ACTION sayre to take a start at Cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG. There will be a handful of intersections that make sense to further develop
17:04:01 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-17 - Take a start at Cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG. There will be a handful of intersections that make sense to further develop [on Jeff Sayre - due 2011-02-28].
17:04:21 [bblfish]
shall we close the meeting?
17:04:26 [scor_]
+1
17:04:30 [jeffsayre]
=!
17:04:30 [domel]
+1
17:04:33 [laszlo]
+1
17:04:34 [jeffsayre]
oops +1
17:04:35 [bheitman]
+1
17:04:40 [pchampin]
+1
17:04:40 [claudio]
+1
17:04:43 [Zakim]
-yngve
17:04:53 [bblfish]
hehe ok , thanks for coming. Talk to you in 2 weeks again.
17:04:58 [Zakim]
-scor
17:05:03 [Zakim]
-PeterW
17:05:04 [Zakim]
-AlexPassant
17:05:07 [Zakim]
-claudio
17:05:10 [Zakim]
-domel
17:05:12 [pchampin]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:05:12 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/02/21-webid-minutes.html pchampin
17:05:15 [Zakim]
-jeffsayre
17:05:49 [Zakim]
-laszlo
17:07:39 [Zakim]
-bblfish
17:07:42 [Zakim]
-pchampin.aa
17:07:44 [Zakim]
INC_WEBID(WEBID)11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were bblfish, PeterW, scor, +44.500.aaaa, claudio, pchampin, reto, jeffsayre, domel, AlexPassant, yngve, laszlo
17:07:54 [bblfish]
ah it just happens by itself.
17:08:11 [bblfish]
great thanks all
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rsa
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