<wonsuk> HTML diff: http://www.w3.org/2007/10/htmldiff

<wonsuk> Wonsuk's version: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html?rev=1.18&content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#tbd

<wonsuk> Veronique's version: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html?rev=1.17&content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#tbd

<scribe> scribe: chris

<scribe> Scribe: chris

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_Seoulf2f

<scribe> ACTION: Werner to update the Wiki with information on the next F2F [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediaann-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-215 - Update the Wiki with information on the next F2F [on Werner Bailer - due 2010-03-03].

<wonsuk> updated ontology doc: http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html

<tmichel> I have set a new code for the zakim for today :26631

<wonsuk> updated ontology doc: http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html

<tmichel> veronique sent an update yesterday

<tmichel> Wonsuk and Joakim added the datatypes discussed yesterday during the meeting

<tmichel> also went thought the mail of Florian

<tmichel> adopted it all except the keyword property

<tmichel> should discuss it now

<jsderber> here we want to change the definition...keyword

<jsderber> > should be only keyword - but maybe more tokens

<tmichel> skipt descriptive phrase and only use keyword

<tmichel> now the keyword property is a string

<tmichel> anyone against that change ?

<tmichel> Silence ...

<tmichel> Rigo ask about about the PLING ...

use of policy in stead of license is described on wiki in sub types page

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Sub_Types

<tmichel> will add the refrence to the policy.

<tmichel> Joakim: We can go to Last before 15th of March or after 01 April . due to publication blackout in the W3C

<tmichel> Florian: Dom suggested that we should have another revue before going to Last Call.

<florian> ...There is a pretty strong overlap between that work and some of the work

<florian> in the DAP Working Group (e.g. the Capture API, the possible Gallery

<florian> API), so I would suggest asking a review from the DAP Working Group much

<florian> earlier than at last call.

<florian> ...

<florian> (comment from Dominique Hazael-Massieux)

<tmichel> Chris replied to Dom about the Validation issue of WebIDL in the API doc

<tmichel> the validtor does not validate aginst the last version of WebIDL

<tmichel> Joakim sent d review request to Doug. could do the same for Sylvia.

<fsasaki> +1 to werner - better to get feedback before last call, esp. from DAP and webapps WG

<florian> +1 @ Werner

<tmichel> Would like to have feedback from specific people

<tmichel> and LC will bring feed back from WGs, etc

<tmichel> Resolution: Will request a 2nd version as Public WD of the Ontology doc.

<tmichel> wonsuk: current version is publishable

<tmichel> should also fill in the datatype in the mapping table

<tmichel> should be done fot the Last Call publication

<tmichel> Wonsuk: syntactic mapping should be done for Last Call

<florian> +1 to fill in syntactic mappings asap

<fsasaki> +1 to florian et al.

who will track this?

meaning who will bother the reponsible people for each metadata format to create the syntactic mappings

<tmichel> some format like UBU MPEG7 can be time consuming to fill in these datatypes

<tmichel> We will have incomplete formats as we are missing some input from some companies like apple for QT

<tmichel> For these we will be missing the datatypes ...

<tmichel> and may have to remove these formats missing information

<tmichel> People may want to contribute while going to REC

<tmichel> other reviewers apart from Sylivia ?

<tmichel> Joakim proposes to talk about the API document

<tmichel> chris: worked on the API doc and update with the chances in the datatypes

<tmichel> chris: included some issues from the wiki list in the API doc

<tmichel> Felix propose also to update this document

<fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Feb/0070.html

<fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Feb/0070.html

<tmichel> Felix would like to add concrete examples about web service ?

<fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Feb/att-0070/ma-api-service-approach.pdf

<tmichel> felix proposal for an addition to the API document to

<tmichel> demonstrate the "service" usage.

<wbailer> +1 for adding this

<florian> +1

<tobias> +1 for felix

<wonsuk> +1

<fsasaki> felix: if you agree on this I would take the document offline, e.g. Friday in the morning european time, and make the update

<florian> would be very interested in that because tobias and me want to do a webservice implementation of the api (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Feb/0072.html)

<tmichel> +1

<tmichel> chris: should base yourself on the latest API version doc

http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-api-1.0/mediaont-api-1.0.html

<fsasaki> felix: sorry, dropped of. I will use the latest API document for that update

<fsasaki> .. that is, the link chris gave above

ok, then it looks like a very usable update

I still need to upload the changes of this F2F to the API document

<tmichel> felix: it is difficult tohear you well ...

<tmichel> Felix: OK will do the changes

<fsasaki> ACTION: Felix to update the API document with the service description proposed at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Feb/att-0070/ma-api-service-approach.pdf , after getting the latest version of the doc from Chris [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediaann-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-216 - Update the API document with the service description proposed at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Feb/att-0070/ma-api-service-approach.pdf , after getting the latest version of the doc from Chris [on Felix Sasaki - due 2010-03-03].

<tmichel> Joakim: chris or Veronique raised how do we use semantic mappings

<tmichel> "specifc" or "more general" ..

<tmichel> if you ask a metadata that as a "more general", the agent could fetch the specifc property in the initial metadata

<tmichel> could have an alert to say there is more info behing in the propriatary format to get the extended structure

<tmichel> in some cases we have a loss of information with our core property.

<tmichel> could have an API to get the information "specifc" or "more general" .... but not yet accurate enough

<tmichel> .. and could postpone (chris)

<tmichel> not strictly defined and mapping table does not make it really clear with "specifc" or "more general" ..

<tmichel> not an issue with the API doc, more an issue with the ontology

I can come up with a proposal in the API doc to retrieve the type of relationship between the metadata

<tmichel> ACTION: Joakim to ask Sylvia to review the doc [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediaann-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-217 - Ask Sylvia to review the doc [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-03-03].

<tmichel> ACTION: Joakim contact the webapps, geolocation WGs to review the API document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediaann-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-218 - Contact the webapps, geolocation WGs to review the API document [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-03-03].

<tmichel> ACTION: felix to update the API doc e with the service description [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediaann-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-219 - Update the API doc e with the service description [on Felix Sasaki - due 2010-03-03].

<tmichel> Joakim when can we republish the API ?

<tmichel> ... when Felix has updated the API doc

<tmichel> Daniel had a proposal to make the F2F longer like a 3 days meeting

<florian> +1 for three day

<jsderber> +1

<wbailer> +1

<wonsuk> +1 for three days :)

is it no problem for the host?

<tmichel> which days ?

<wbailer> april 27-28 is currently planned

<tmichel> tuesday/wed/thrusday ?

<wbailer> question is adding 26 or 29

<tobias> I prefer Tuesday to Thursday.

<jsderber> +1

+1

<wonsuk> +1

<florian> +1

<fsasaki> sorry, have to drop of. Take care, and congrats to the good meeting and progress!

<florian> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Feb/0072.html

<tmichel> thierry: We should publish the LC end of march. and could discuss the comments after the 4 weeks review during the F2F in april

<tmichel> we should have an mplementation on the "webservice" scenario

<tmichel> .

<tmichel> Forian: the implementation will cover the "webservice" scenario

<tmichel> for the browser it needs a plugin development

<tmichel> Joakim: all are implementation are currently server based

<tmichel> Florian:do we have experience in plug in development in the WG ?

<tmichel> ACTION: Thierry to investigate into the tool to transform WebIDL example intoi testsuite [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediaann-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-220 - Investigate into the tool to transform WebIDL example intoi testsuite [on Thierry Michel - due 2010-03-03].

<tobias> +1 for next tuesday.

<tmichel> next telecon: next tuesday

<florian> +1

<tmichel> next telecon 2nd of March to be confirmed by Joakim (on vacation next week).

<tmichel> Daniel should chair (currently in Moscou)

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