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01:13:56 <chris> zakim, who is here?
01:13:56 <Zakim> sorry, chris, I don't know what conference this is
01:13:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, jsderber, daniel, wonsuk, chris, trackbot
01:14:05 <chris> zakim, this will be mawg
01:14:05 <Zakim> ok, chris; I see IA_MAWG(F2F)7:00PM scheduled to start 74 minutes ago
01:14:10 <chris> zakim, who is here?
01:14:10 <Zakim> IA_MAWG(F2F)7:00PM has not yet started, chris
01:14:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, jsderber, daniel, wonsuk, chris, trackbot
01:14:17 <chris> zakim, who is here?
01:14:17 <Zakim> IA_MAWG(F2F)7:00PM has not yet started, chris
01:14:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, jsderber, daniel, wonsuk, chris, trackbot
01:14:43 <chris> meeting: MAWG
01:15:00 <chris> zakim, who is here?
01:15:00 <Zakim> IA_MAWG(F2F)7:00PM has not yet started, chris
01:15:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, jsderber, daniel, wonsuk, chris, trackbot
01:15:31 <chris> zakim, what conference is this?
01:15:31 <Zakim> this will be IA_MAWG(F2F)7:00PM conference code 6294, chris
01:16:05 <wonsuk> HTML diff: http://www.w3.org/2007/10/htmldiff
01:17:07 <wonsuk> Wonsuk's version: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html?rev=1.18&content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#tbd
01:17:33 <wonsuk> Veronique's version: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html?rev=1.17&content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#tbd
01:17:57 <chris> chair: jsderber
01:18:56 <chris> scribe: chris
01:19:05 <chris> Scribe: chris
01:19:12 <chris> zakim, who is here?
01:19:12 <Zakim> IA_MAWG(F2F)7:00PM has not yet started, chris
01:19:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, jsderber, daniel, wonsuk, chris, trackbot
01:22:26 <chris> zakim, this is mawg
01:22:26 <Zakim> chris, I see IA_MAWG(F2F)7:00PM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be mawg".
01:23:54 <chris> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_Seoulf2f
01:42:31 <chris> action Werner: to update the Wiki with information on the next F2F
01:42:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-215 - Update the Wiki with information on the next F2F [on Werner Bailer - due 2010-03-03].
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07:55:23 <chris> zakim, who is here?
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07:55:57 <chris> zakim, who is here?
07:55:57 <Zakim> sorry, chris, I don't know what conference this is
07:55:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see tmichel, wbailer, RRSAgent, wonsuk, chris, trackbot
07:56:04 <chris> zakim, this will be mawg
07:56:04 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, chris
07:56:20 <chris> zakim, this is mawg
07:56:20 <Zakim> sorry, chris, I do not see a conference named 'mawg' in progress or scheduled at this time
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07:56:28 <chris> zakim, list conferences
07:56:28 <Zakim> I see no active conferences and none scheduled to start in the next 15 minutes
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08:01:20 <wonsuk> updated ontology doc: http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html
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08:05:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediaann-minutes.html florian
08:05:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
08:06:57 <tmichel> zakim, space for 10?
08:06:58 <Zakim> ok, tmichel; conference Team_(mediaann)08:06Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 60 minutes until 0906Z
08:08:17 <Zakim> Team_(mediaann)08:06Z has now started
08:08:24 <Zakim> +wbailer
08:08:38 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
08:09:01 <Zakim> +??P2
08:09:18 <tmichel> I have set a new code for the zakim for today :26631
08:10:56 <wonsuk> updated ontology doc: http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html
08:11:45 <jsderber> zakim, who's here?
08:11:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see wbailer, SeoulF2F, Felix (muted)
08:11:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see tobias, jsderber, fsasaki, florian, Zakim, tmichel, wbailer, RRSAgent, wonsuk, chris, trackbot
08:11:46 <Zakim> +florian
08:13:42 <tmichel> veronique sent an update yesterday
08:13:57 <Zakim> +??P4
08:14:07 <tobias> Zakim, ??P4 is me
08:14:07 <Zakim> +tobias; got it
08:14:09 <tmichel> Wonsuk and Joakil added the datatypes discussed yesterday during the meeting
08:14:28 <chris> zakim, who is making noise
08:14:28 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is making noise', chris
08:14:30 <tmichel> s/Joakil/Joakim
08:14:30 <chris> zakim, who is making noise?
08:14:44 <Zakim> chris, listening for 14 seconds I heard sound from the following: SeoulF2F (15%)
08:15:25 <tmichel> also went thought the mail of Floarian 
08:15:46 <tmichel>  adopted it all except the keyword property
08:15:54 <tmichel> should discuss it now
08:15:57 <florian> s/Floarian/Florian
08:16:27 <jsderber> here we want to change the definition...keyword 
08:16:27 <jsderber> > should be only keyword - but maybe more tokens
08:16:30 <tmichel> skipt descriptive phrase and only use keyword
08:17:14 <tmichel> now the keyword property is a string
08:17:42 <tmichel> anyone against that change ?
08:17:45 <tmichel>  Silence ...
08:18:10 <tmichel> Rigo ask about about the PLING ...
08:18:15 <chris> use of policy in stead of license is described on wiki in sub types page
08:18:19 <chris> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Sub_Types
08:19:00 <tmichel> will add the refrence to the policy.
08:20:10 <tmichel> Joakim: We can go to Last before 15th of March or after 01 April . due to publication blackout in the W3C
08:20:48 <tmichel> Florian: Dom should have another revue before going to Last Call.
08:21:03 <florian> ...There is a pretty strong overlap between that work and some of the work
08:21:03 <florian> in the DAP Working Group (e.g. the Capture API, the possible Gallery
08:21:03 <florian> API), so I would suggest asking a review from the DAP Working Group much
08:21:03 <florian> earlier than at last call.
08:21:03 <florian> ...
08:21:07 <fsasaki> s/Dom should/Dom suggested that we should/
08:21:18 <florian> (comment from Dominique Hazael-Massieux)
08:22:30 <tmichel> Chris replied to Dom about the Validation issue of WebIDL in the API doc
08:22:56 <tmichel> the validtor does not validate aginst the last version of WebIDL
08:23:40 <tmichel> Joakim sent d review request to Doug. could do the same for Sylvia.
08:24:11 <fsasaki> +1 to werner - better to get feedback before last call, esp. from DAP and webapps WG
08:24:12 <florian> +1 @ Werner
08:24:16 <tmichel> Would like to have feedback from specific people 
08:24:37 <tmichel> and LC will bring feed back from WGs, etc
08:26:02 <tmichel> Resolution: Will request a 2 version as Public WD of the Ontology doc.
08:26:55 <tmichel> wonsuk: current version is publishable
08:26:59 <fsasaki> s/2/2nd/
08:27:36 <tmichel> should also fill in the datatype in the mapping table
08:28:01 <tmichel> should be done fot the Last Call publication
08:28:58 <tmichel> Wonsuk: syntactic mapping should be done for Last Call
08:29:23 <florian> +1 to fill in syntactic mappings asap
08:29:51 <fsasaki> +1 to florian et al.
08:30:13 <chris> who will track this?
08:30:37 <chris> meaning who will bother the reponsible people for each metadata format to create the syntactic mappings
08:31:00 <tmichel> some format like UBU MPEG7 can be time consuming to fill in these datatypes
08:31:37 <tmichel> We will have incomplete formats as we are missing some input from some companies like apple for QT
08:32:02 <tmichel> For these we will be missing the datatypes ...
08:32:15 <tmichel> and may have to remove these formats missing information
08:32:32 <tmichel> People may want to contribute while going to REC
08:33:38 <tmichel> other reviewers apart from Sylivia ?
08:34:05 <tmichel> Joakim proposes to talk about the API document
08:34:53 <tmichel> chris: worked on the API doc and update with the chances in the datatypes
08:35:14 <tmichel> chris: included some issues from the wiki list in the API doc
08:35:37 <tmichel> Felix propose also to update this document
08:36:46 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Feb/0070.html
08:36:52 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Feb/0070.html
08:36:53 <tmichel> Felix would like to add concrete examples about web service ?
08:36:57 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Feb/att-0070/ma-api-service-approach.pdf
08:37:23 <tmichel> felix proposal for an addition to the API document to
08:37:23 <tmichel>  demonstrate the "service" usage.
08:37:32 <wbailer> +1 for adding this
08:37:49 <florian> +1
08:37:51 <tobias> +1 for felix
08:38:02 <wonsuk> +1
08:38:12 <fsasaki> felix: if you agree on this I would take the document offline, e.g. Friday in the morning european time, and make the update
08:38:13 <florian> would be very interested in that because tobias and me want to do a webservice implementation of the api (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Feb/0072.html)
08:38:20 <tmichel> +1
08:38:52 <Zakim> -Felix
08:38:58 <tmichel> chris: should base yourself on the latest API version doc
08:39:11 <chris> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-api-1.0/mediaont-api-1.0.html
08:39:11 <fsasaki> felix: sorry, dropped of. I will use the latest API document for that update
08:39:25 <fsasaki> .. that is, the link chris gave above
08:39:34 <chris> ok, then it looks like a very usable update
08:40:01 <chris> I still need to upload the changes of this F2F to the API document
08:40:13 <Zakim> +??P2
08:41:07 <tmichel> felix: it is difficult tohear you well ...
08:41:34 <tmichel> Felix: OK will do the chances
08:41:53 <fsasaki> action: Felix to update the API document with the service description proposed at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Feb/att-0070/ma-api-service-approach.pdf , after getting the latest version of the doc from Chris
08:41:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-216 - Update the API document with the service description proposed at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Feb/att-0070/ma-api-service-approach.pdf , after getting the latest version of the doc from Chris [on Felix Sasaki - due 2010-03-03].
08:41:56 <florian> s/chances/changes
08:42:13 <tmichel> Joakim: chris or Veronique  raised how do we use semantic mappings
08:42:38 <tmichel> "specifc" or "more general" ..
08:43:20 <Zakim> -tobias
08:43:50 <tmichel> if you ask a metadata that as a "more general", the agent could fetch the specifc property in the initial metadata
08:44:24 <tmichel> could have an alert to say there is more info behing in the propriatary format to get the extended structure
08:45:27 <Zakim> +??P4
08:45:32 <tobias> Zakim, ??P4 is me
08:45:32 <Zakim> +tobias; got it
08:46:21 <tobias> Zakim, mute tobias
08:46:21 <Zakim> tobias should now be muted
08:46:48 <tmichel> in some cases we have a loss of information with our core property.
08:47:20 <tmichel> could have an API to get the information "specifc" or "more general"  .... but not yet accurate enough
08:47:32 <tmichel>  .. and could postpone (chris)
08:49:19 <tmichel> not strictly defined and mapping table does not make it really clear with "specifc" or "more general" ..
08:49:39 <tmichel> not an issue with the API doc, more an issue with the ontology
08:50:41 <chris> I can come up with a proposal in the API doc to retrieve the type of relationship between the metadata
08:51:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
08:51:49 <tmichel> AcTION: Joakim to ask Sylvia to review the doc
08:51:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-217 - Ask Sylvia to review the doc [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-03-03].
08:52:43 <Zakim> -SeoulF2F
08:53:07 <tobias> Zakim, unmute me
08:53:07 <Zakim> tobias should no longer be muted
08:53:17 <tmichel> ACTION: Joakim contact the webapps, geolocation WGs to review the API document
08:53:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-218 - Contact the webapps, geolocation WGs to review the API document [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2010-03-03].
08:53:53 <Zakim> + +82.10.58.00.aaaa
08:54:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
08:54:24 <tmichel> ACTION: felix to update the API doc e with the service description 
08:54:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-219 - Update the API doc e with the service description  [on Felix Sasaki - due 2010-03-03].
08:54:50 <tmichel> Joakim when can we republish the API ?
08:55:06 <tmichel> ... when Felix has updated the API doc
08:55:24 <fsasaki> present: Florian, Joakim, Wonsuk, Felix , chris, daniel, jsderber, tmichel,  tobias, wbailer
08:55:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
08:55:44 <tmichel> Daniel had a proposal to make the F2F longer like a 3 days meeting
08:55:46 <florian> +1 for three day
08:56:13 <jsderber> +1
08:56:16 <wbailer> +1
08:56:16 <wonsuk> +1 for three days :)
08:56:37 <chris> is it no problem for the host?
08:57:05 <tmichel> which days ?
08:57:20 <wbailer> april 27-28 is currently planned
08:57:23 <tmichel> tuesday/wed/thrusday ?
08:57:27 <wbailer> question is adding 26 or 29
08:57:30 <tobias> I prefer Tuesday to Thursday.
08:57:37 <jsderber> +1
08:57:40 <chris> +1
08:57:46 <wonsuk> +1
08:57:52 <florian> +1
08:58:02 <fsasaki> sorry, have to drop of. Take care, and congrats to the good meeting and progress!
08:58:14 <Zakim> -Felix
08:59:17 <florian> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2010Feb/0072.html
08:59:36 <tmichel> thierry: We should publish the LC end of march. and could discuss the comments after the 4 weeks review during the F2F in april
09:01:35 <tmichel> we should have an mplementation on the  "webservice"  scenario
09:01:35 <tmichel> .
09:02:50 <tmichel> Forian: the implementation will cover the "webservice"  scenario
09:03:30 <tmichel> for the browser it needs a plugin development 
09:04:30 <tmichel> Joakim: all are implementation are currently server based
09:05:06 <tmichel> Florian:do we have experience in plug in development in the WG ?
09:11:50 <tmichel> ACTION: Thierry to investigate into the tool to transform WebIDL example intoi testsuite
09:11:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-220 - Investigate into the tool to transform WebIDL example intoi testsuite [on Thierry Michel - due 2010-03-03].
09:12:01 <tobias> +1 for next tuesday.
09:12:03 <tmichel> next telecon: next tuesday
09:12:05 <florian> +1
09:13:07 <tmichel> next telecon 2nd of March to be confirmed by Joakim (on vcatiuon next week).
09:13:22 <tmichel> Daniel should chair (currently in Moscou)
09:13:23 <florian> s/vcatiuon/vacation
09:14:36 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes
09:14:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/02/24-mediaann-minutes.html tmichel
09:15:05 <Zakim> -tobias
09:15:25 <Zakim> -florian
09:15:30 <Zakim> -wbailer
09:15:31 <Zakim> Team_(mediaann)08:06Z has ended
09:15:32 <Zakim> Attendees were wbailer, Felix, SeoulF2F, florian, tobias, +82.10.58.00.aaaa
09:18:43 <tmichel> journed
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