WAI-AGE task force

10 Feb 2010



Andrew, Suzette, Darren, Helle, Michael
Alan, Jack, Pierre, Shadi, William


Web Accessibility Training - Topics

<Andrew> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/training/2009/topics.html

Andrew: declares meeting open
... update from EO
... reminder that we can all join EOWG teleconfs on Fridays
... the EO Agenda is always online

<Andrew> EOWG teleconfs

andrew: restructuring of topics - start from outline

andrew: section 18 sets out the structure including learning objectives for audience

Andrew: starting from opening paragraph at top of document
... refers to conversation with Judy Brewer that topics list is too close to existing EO documents.

helle: likes the way this topic list builds on underlying documents - is a benefit

darren: not so familiar with previous WAI documents but titles seem appropriate - sensible headings to have

suzette: agrees with helle and darren but asks about ageing and social issues of inclusion in opening introduction

helle: queries existing title - on disabled people and relationship with ageing

andrew: should this be rephrased

helle: re item 14 on ageing - draws a distinction between disability and ageing

andrew: how to retitle?

darren: how people with disabilities and impairments using the web

<darren> #14 - Web accessibility and age-related impairments

andrew: lets look at topic titles
... will check that titles are inclusive of impairments and ageing
... goal
... description

helle: end of last section 'tools' what kind of tools

andrew: thinking of the things you use to access the web
... drop 'web from "web information and tools"?

helle: could it also be web services

andrew: yes
... what the audience will learn

helle: in translation would need to add people with disabilities

darren: last bullet - how to get involved - should this go at end (in promoting) and not in introduction?

helle: previously had introduction to WAI

andrew: is happy to reconsider where 'get involved' goes

Suzette: suggested benefit of starting from the experiences of an AT user - as a video, still image or scenario

andrew: confirmed moving analogy from build environment to later
... how people with disabilities use the web

suzette: goal, could turn sentence around to mention barriers first

helle: need to bring accessing the web nearer front of sentence
... try - To help people understand common barriers when accessing the Web faced by people with disabilities and older users

suzette: maybe a little ungainly!

andrew: reworked

<Andrew> To provide an understanding of common barriers experienced when accessing the Web by people with disabilities and older users.

<Andrew> To provide an understanding of common barriers experienced by people with disabilities and older users when accessing the Web

darren: sounds better

helle: OK

andrew: 5 heads better than 1

darren: asking about the audience: everyone, general public

andrew: perhaps should be general public again

<Andrew> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/changelogs/cl-training.html#who

darren: prefer general public to everyone

andrew: agree to change

helle: probably mean someone without specific prior knowledge

andrew: i.e. non-technical audiences

helle: agrees not aimed at technical audience - 'how to do'

andrew: don't require technical knowledge at this stage

helle: also people not familiar with terms disability and accessibility

andrew: tips for speakers to avoid technical jargon like assistive technology or users agent

helle: could bring this to EO

suzette: re Appreciate the importance of the WAI guidelines in creating an accessible web
... can we ensure that we see how this element is developed in this section

<Andrew> Interplay of user agents with web content in delivering web accessibility and role of WAI guidelines

andrew: (key points for speakers) interplay

michael: maybe abstract - needs an example?

helle: what is difference between first and second key point

andrew: one is people, the other is technology

helle: maybe suggest an example - suing a screen reader and example of barrier is lack of alt text

andrew: any other thoughts on key points?

Web Accessibility Training - Examples

andrew: move onto examples page

<Andrew> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/training/2009/scenarios.html

andrew: start with introductory para

helle: queries the language style - is it easy enough

agree to come back to this para to simplify

<Andrew> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/changelogs/cl-training.html#exampleslist

andrew: look at types of training events

michael: if talking to managers needs to be short, advantages ... through to workflow

andrew: ... how long
... nothing else for purchasers owners
... and michael procurement of web services

michael: pick out specific examples: two disabilities, two examples of barriers
... move advantages (bus case) to end
... plus include temp disabilities, and don't talk about 'blind people'
... illustrate some barriers and simple solutions

andrew: next time will go through examples
... is this good material or are we missing something else

Darren: seems useful structure

Summary of Action Items

No Actions recorded

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Present: Andrew Suzette Darren Helle Michael
Regrets: Alan Jack Pierre Shadi William
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-age/2010JanMar/0009.html
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