PF/HTML_Caucus telecon
25 Sep 2009

See also: IRC log


Cynthia_Shelly, Janina, Joshue, Rich, Cooper
MichaelC, janina




<Stevef> hi all, i will not be able to attend todays meet - regrets , have a client meeting. will be back on board next week

calling in now..

<janina> agenda: this

<scribe> ScribeNick: Joshue

Update from HTML meeting

<Laura> Yesterday's HTML WG Minutes:

<Laura> http://www.w3.org/2009/09/24-html-wg-minutes.html

JS: Are we on hold?

MC: Kind of

CS; They will give it around a week.

<Laura> Task force discussion from yesterday's HTML WG telco:

<Laura> http://www.w3.org/2009/09/24-html-wg-minutes.html#item08

<Laura> Maciej took an action to "Issue a Call for consensus email to the WG to approve the accessibility Task Force and testing Task Force.

<Laura> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/149

<Laura> Paul Cotton took an action to "Recruit a Task Force facilitator for the HTML WG"

<Laura> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/148

MC: There is an action on Janina to nominate facilitators (On Paul Cotton)

CS: I want to be the PF designee

RS: The mapping stuff should move into one thing.

MC: The TF when more stable we can chat with members and see what they think.

JS: They seem have forgotten that it is a joint TF

RS: They were looking for facilitators, I am happy to do it for either side.

MC: We need you Rich on ARIA.

CS: Who would be good on the PF side?

MC: Aria also (sic)

CS: Steve F would be good

JS: For chairing?

CS: Yes

JS: The work of a chair is a little different, prioritising and driving it etc, not just technical details.

CS: The HTML people have seen Steve be technical, so thats good.

JS: Most of our people are engaged on critical stuff.

RS: I am worried about the spec being rushed in Oct. Its not ready.

<Stevef> I think rich would be a good chair

+1 to Rich also

<Stevef> CS: thanks for the vote of confidence, I will do it if no one else wants to

Spec Reveiw

zaki, unmute me

<MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/2009/08/html5-spec-review


Josh to look at 4.4. 4.7

CS: To look at 4.10 Forms

Josh to look at user interaction also

<MichaelC> close item 1

Recent Developments: Joint TF Status

<MichaelC> for header

Accessible Media Gathering http://www.w3.org/2009/09/acc-media-html-gathering.html

<MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC

This workshop is on, day before TPAC

trying to open list of who can attend

currently a small invite list, and expect participants to make presentations

think we need at least an API for players

<Joshue> That sounds very interesting!

<Laura> Silvia Pfeiffer's blog has some related info:

<Laura> http://blog.gingertech.net/2009/09/22/w3c-workshopbarcamp-on-html5-video-accessibility/

rs: <missed>

cs: Sean Hayes can't attend, but Philippe Le Hegaret representing Timed Text

<Joshue> I don't know if I can make it either.. but I may do. Jury currently out.

the Timed Text approach might fly

js: would like to have media accessibility move into the HTML Accessibility Task Force

HTML 5 spec documents review http://www.w3.org/2009/08/html5-spec-review.html

Assignments updated to http://www.w3.org/2009/08/html5-spec-review

WCAG HTML5 Comments

There were questions raised by Loretta



<janina> scribe: janina

michael: summary and longdesc -- already in hand ...

<MichaelC> HTML 4 on abbr attribute: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/tables.html#adef-abbr

michael: abbr in tables; different from abbr elsewhere

<MichaelC> HTML 5 on abbr attribute: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/obsolete.html#attr-tdth-abbr

cynthia: unfortunate it has the same name--is there something that replaces it? else should not be obsolete

michael: doesn't appear anything replaces it

cynthia: useful in small number of cases
... should carry html4 text forward
... we should see how much this is used, e.g. by ssa

michael: always thought it should be the other way--a way to indicate the longer version
... text needs cleanup regardless

cynthia: anything in aria? label?

michael: for solving html problems, there should be an html solution -- aria is a gap tech

cynthia: but mightn't it be like how we're using describedby?

michael: use

cynthia: so is thee a use case for this?
... q will be how this is different from summary?
... answer is summary is more deployed

michael: lg's next item was axis -- suggest use scope instead
... anyone know how it is used?

rich: seems we don't know it exists

consensus seems to be let it go since we don't know what it is

lg's next 12.3 -- reqs for implementation

lg asks conforming or not? if not, why the detail explanation of behaviors?

rich: when iframes are processed for keybd nav, tab order should be doc order from outside to the first item in iframe, ... to last in iframe; then outside the iframe to the next logical element outside the iframe

michael: perhaps we need a separate section in the spec about tab order
... use of tab=-1

michael use cases

rich: yes, we should do this

lg: asks for marque to default to off

michael: there are attribs we need to review

rich: wonder if the changes could affect someone with epilepsy
... may need several attribs to be off by default

Summary of Action Items

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