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<raphael> hi michael

<mhausenblas> hello there

topic 1. ADMIN

ADMIN

<alessio> hi all

<giovannit> re all

<christian> Hi, for some reason the cnference code does not work...

<stamatia> hi all

<stamatia> i'm having some problmes with the phone connection, i hope to join you soon

<rellero_> 04 01Zakim, [IPcaller is Roberto_Ellero

<OS> hi all from Ovidio, Massimo & Patrizia

<rellero_> Hi to all

<giovannit> i am still not a zakim geek clearly

<christian> your not

chris, we also tried the conference code in vain earlier, but now it works. Could you try again?

<giovannit> chris, type slowly

<christian> I'm trying...but I cannt talk with the operator as well :-)

<Melli> I will be leaving in 25 minutes or so

<rellero_> hi pasquale

<pasquale> hi roberto and all; sorry, but i can only irc today

<stamatia> i don't know abou tyou but i can harldy hear you

<chalaschek> the echo is really bad

Chairs welcomes Paola

<giovannit> clap clap

<chalaschek> great

<christian> :-)

<rellero_> ok

<mhausenblas> agree

<anadiotis> agree

<Thomas> agree

<chalaschek> agree

<stamatia> agree

<christian> agree

<OS> agree

<giovannit> yay for the current minutes

<rellero_> agree

<chalaschek> agree

<mhausenblas> agree

<anadiotis> ok

PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 20 July 2006 telecon:

http://www.w3.org/2006/07/20-mmsem-minutes.html: ACCEPTED

PROPOSED next telecon 14 September 2006: ACCEPTED

LIAISON

<mhausenblas> jrvosse: next telcon on 28 Sep ...

<scribe> ACTION: Yannis to report back to the group about the outcome of the [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-mmsem-minutes.html#action01]

MPEG7 liason attempts after a visit of ITI in Austria [recorded in

http://www.w3.org/2006/07/20-mmsem-minutes.html#action01]: CONTINUED

<christian> zakim. ipcaller is christian

<giovannit> yup .. we are also asking people who we consider very knowledgable on the topic to join but w3c membership is an issue for many

Vassilis: don't think new members were found

"Image annotation on the Semantic Web" is transfered to the XG, will not be published by SWBPD WG

<giovannit> i think it sounds good ideed

<giovannit> work more

Chair asks opinion about status draft

Vassilis: member should first read the doc

<chalaschek> where is the latest version (ie, url etc.)?

<anadiotis> i have not read the latest version - i will do so and provide feedback

Raphael: indeed, I want to assign reviewers from the XG

<rellero_> sorry, my line was out and now passcode is not valid, i follow in irc

<giovannit> is there any way to quickly have a delta from the sept 1 version? its not a wiki page unfortunately

<christian> rellero, you can ask for the operator (*0) and then ask to join

<rellero_> i try

<rellero_> but i connect with skype

<scribe> ACTION: Ovidio, Stamatia to review http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/MM/image_annotation.html before mid October teleconf [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]

Vassilis: if we could add things, it would be nice, but it should be ok as is

<giovannit> ok thanks

XG UPDATES

<scribe> ACTION: All to make sure you have your homepage on the XG wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-mmsem-minutes.html#action03]

Michael: in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Ontological_Commitments I tried to step back for a metaview, using three levels
... is this worth doing?

Raphael: Metalevel seems to apply to every use case

Jacco: What about the link between the essence and domain?

Michael: I'm not sure, feel free to add stuff

Vassilis: Apart from the use cases we also have to have the solutions...
... and how are these solutions related?
... how different are they?

Raphael: I agree, we should start writing solutions down and discuss them

Vassilis: this means there is time pressure, we have to hurry and put everything as soon as possible

3.1 Bio-medical Image Use case: (Melliyal)

Melli: I am looking for more members to join in
... I have not made much progress in the example images and metadata
... can I setup a web demo?

<giovannit> zakin, unmute me

<scribe> ACTION: Melli to set up a web demo for 28 September teleconf [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-mmsem-minutes.html#action04]

3.2 Music Use case: (Giovanni, Christian, Thierry)

Giovanni: too many ways to solve things, this is not good

We added lyrics as metadata in the use case

We also suggest ways to use the semantic web to collect more metadata

Use many RDF channels to collect metadata

Giovanni: I got several emails about this use case, very productive
... I will cc as much as possible

We should have someone from UPF in Barcelona

<scribe> ACTION: Chairs to contact UPF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-mmsem-minutes.html#action05]

Giovanni: still looking forward to get comments (is this still realistic)

<scribe> ACTION: George and Raphael to review music use case by next teleconf [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]

Vassilis: When do you expect providing the solution?

We will provide a solution, but it may be too specific or not fully realistic

Raphael: Giovanni, don't forget the XG is about metadata interoperability

3.3 News Use case: (Raphael, Thierry, IPTC)

<christian> kakim, mute me

<christian> zakim mute me

Raphael: we did not made much progress, we will meet with IPTC next week

3.4 Media Production Use case: (Vassilis)

Vassilis: I would like to drop this, will help Stamatia's use case instead

Chris: in this case I would like to join the news use case

No objections

3.5 MPEG-7 metadata interoperability Use case: (Stamatia, Yiannis,

Michael)

Stamatia: Not much progress

Vassilis: we will have a separate teleconf now we have a bigger team

<scribe> ACTION: Vassilis et al to inform group by mail about the time table for this use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-mmsem-minutes.html#action07]

3.6 Semantics from Multimedia Authoring Use case: (Susanne)

and Tagging Use case: (George, Susanne, Thomas)

George: just made a major update

Is het a good idea to have a common structure to all use cases?

<mhausenblas> helemal

<scribe> ACTION: Vassilis to prepare structure for all use cases by next Monday [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-mmsem-minutes.html#action08]

George: we added intro and references, Thomas contributed to the motivating scenario
... there is already a section about the possible solutions, we will continue to work on that

3.7 Algorithm representation Use case: (Massimo, Patrizia, Ovidio)

Patrizia: Not much time during the summer, but we are thinking about more focus, it is now too vague

Will focus more on the image annotation aspects

Others are welcome to join

Raphael: what is the plan from know? To focus on representing image analysis alghoritms?

Patrizia: Yes
... There is a lot of similarities among the the use cases

<scribe> ACTION: Patrizia and Massimo: report on similarities among use cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-mmsem-minutes.html#action09]

<scribe> ACTION: Michael and Stamatia to review tagging use case for next teleconf [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-mmsem-minutes.html#action10]

Raphael: I think the other use cases are not mature enough to review

3.8 Low level feature extraction Use case: (Ioannis, Vasileios ...

addition by Susanne)

Deferred to next meeting

4. Future Metings

See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Sep/0006.html

We will have a phone and IRC connection during the next f2f meeting coloacted with SAMT

<scribe> ACTION: chairs to set up questionnaire before next teleconf [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-mmsem-minutes.html#action11]

<mhausenblas> i'm fine

<Thomas> bye

<mhausenblas> bye

<giovannit> bye bye

<christian> bye all

<anadiotis> bye everyone

<OS> by

AOB

Paola: There is also meeting of the mm ontology harmonisation group, everybody from this group is welcome

Will send invitation later

<rellero_> bye

<mhausenblas> exit

<mhausenblas> quit

<pasquale> bye all, ciao

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