15:27:47 RRSAgent has joined #mmsem 15:27:47 logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-mmsem-irc 15:27:58 Zakim has joined #mmsem 15:29:01 raphael has changed the topic to: Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 14-09-2006 15:32:06 rellero_ has joined #mmsem 15:35:18 zakim, what conferences 15:35:18 raphael, you need to end that query with '?' 15:35:21 zakim, what conferences? 15:35:21 I see Team_(diwg)12:44Z, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM, WAI_Team()10:45AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM active 15:35:23 also scheduled at this time are I18N_Core_WG(WS-I18N)11:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM 15:40:05 jrvosse has joined #mmsem 15:40:22 pointer 15:40:31 rssagent, pointer 15:40:40 rrsagent, pointer 15:40:40 See http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-mmsem-irc#T15-40-40 15:41:26 rrsagent, make logs public 15:46:04 zakim, list conferences 15:46:04 I see XML_PMWG()11:00AM, DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM, WAI_Team()10:45AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM active 15:46:06 also scheduled at this time are I18N_Core_WG(WS-I18N)11:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM 15:48:40 mhausenblas has joined #mmsem 15:50:39 hi michael 15:50:42 hello there 15:50:50 zakim, +43.316.876.aabb is mhausenblas 15:50:50 sorry, mhausenblas, I do not recognize a party named '+43.316.876.aabb' 15:51:11 zakim, what conferences? 15:51:11 I see XML_PMWG()11:00AM, DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM, INC_MMSEM()12:00PM, WAI_Team()10:45AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM active 15:51:14 also scheduled at this time are WS_Policy()12:00PM, I18N_Core_WG(WS-I18N)11:00AM, SYMM_TTWG()12:00PM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM 15:51:36 zakim, this conference is INC_MMSEM 15:51:36 ok, raphael; that matches INC_MMSEM()12:00PM 15:51:43 anadiotis has joined #mmsem 15:51:43 zakim, who is here 15:51:43 raphael, you need to end that query with '?' 15:51:47 zakim, who is here? 15:51:48 On the phone I see mhausenblas, ??P5 15:51:49 On IRC I see anadiotis, mhausenblas, jrvosse, rellero_, Zakim, RRSAgent, raphael 15:52:07 zakim, ??P5 is raphael 15:52:07 +raphael; got it 15:52:47 topic 1. ADMIN 15:53:09 Meeting: Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 14-09-2006 15:53:18 Chair: Raphael 15:53:33 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Sep/0007.html 15:53:54 Thomas has joined #mmsem 15:54:34 regrets: Ioannis PRATIKAKIS, Susanne Boll, Jeff Pan, 15:54:44 OS has joined #mmsem 15:55:08 chalaschek has joined #MMSEM 15:55:13 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:55:13 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-mmsem-minutes.html jrvosse 15:56:06 topic: ADMIN 15:57:19 +??P9 15:57:19 Present: Raphael, Jacco, Michael 15:57:29 +[UMD] 15:57:38 zakim, ??P9 is Giovanni 15:57:38 +Giovanni; got it 15:57:57 zakim, [UMD] is chalaschek 15:57:57 +chalaschek; got it 15:58:02 +Thomas 15:58:23 +[CWI] 15:58:39 zakim, [CWI] is george 15:58:39 +george; got it 15:58:57 zakim, who is here? 15:58:57 On the phone I see mhausenblas, raphael, Giovanni, chalaschek, Thomas, george 15:58:59 On IRC I see chalaschek, OS, Thomas, anadiotis, mhausenblas, jrvosse, rellero_, Zakim, RRSAgent, raphael 15:59:02 +??P14 15:59:06 alessio has joined #mmsem 15:59:10 zakim, ??P14 is jacco 15:59:10 +jacco; got it 15:59:37 hi all 15:59:51 Present: Giovanni, Chris, Thomas, George 16:00:02 + +44.142.08.aaaa 16:00:08 giovannit has joined #mmsem 16:00:12 re all 16:00:18 christian has joined #mmsem 16:00:20 zakim, 44.142.08.aaaa is Paola 16:00:20 sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named '44.142.08.aaaa' 16:00:23 Present: Paola 16:00:25 zakim, 44.142.08 is Paola 16:00:25 sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named '44.142.08' 16:00:31 +??P15 16:00:31 zakim, +44.142.08.aaaa is Paola 16:00:32 Zakim, mute me 16:00:32 +Paola; got it 16:00:34 sorry, giovannit, I do not see a party named 'giovannit' 16:01:04 regrets: Thierry, Paul 16:01:08 + +39.050.315.aabb 16:01:09 Hi, for some reason the cnference code does not work... 16:01:10 stamatia has joined #mmsem 16:01:15 hi all 16:01:34 +[IPcaller] 16:01:35 zakim, +39.050.315.aabb is Ovidio 16:01:36 +Ovidio; got it 16:01:36 -raphael 16:01:44 present: Massimo, Patricia, Ovidio 16:01:47 i'm having some problmes with the phone connection, i hope to join you soon 16:01:51 Zakim, +[IPcaller is Roberto_Ellero 16:01:51 sorry, rellero_, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller' 16:02:03 04 01Zakim, [IPcaller is Roberto_Ellero 16:02:24 hi all from Ovidio, Massimo & Patrizia 16:02:27 Zakim, [IPcaller] is Roberto_Ellero 16:02:27 +Roberto_Ellero; got it 16:02:33 Hi to all 16:02:34 zakim, who is speaking 16:02:34 I don't understand 'who is speaking', giovannit 16:02:46 i am still not a zakim geek clearly 16:02:54 your not 16:02:56 chris, we also tried the conference code in vain earlier, but now it works. Could you try again? 16:03:08 zakim, who is speaking? 16:03:08 +raphael 16:03:09 Melli has joined #mmsem 16:03:10 chris, type slowly 16:03:11 zakim, who is here? 16:03:11 On the phone I see mhausenblas, Giovanni, chalaschek, Thomas, george, jacco, Paola, ??P15, Ovidio, Roberto_Ellero, raphael 16:03:14 On IRC I see Melli, stamatia, christian, giovannit, alessio, chalaschek, OS, Thomas, anadiotis, mhausenblas, jrvosse, rellero_, Zakim, RRSAgent, raphael 16:03:19 jrvosse, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: mhausenblas (4%), Giovanni (4%), ??P15 (4%), raphael (5%) 16:03:22 I'm trying...but I cannt talk with the operator as well :-) 16:03:26 pasquale has joined #mmsem 16:03:28 I will be leaving in 25 minutes or so 16:03:42 hi pasquale 16:03:48 Zakim, Giovanni is giovannit 16:03:48 +giovannit; got it 16:03:55 zakim, mute me 16:04:00 giovannit should now be muted 16:04:01 zakim, ??P15 is melli 16:04:05 +melli; got it 16:04:06 Present: Melli 16:04:19 hi roberto and all; sorry, but i can only irc today 16:04:21 +[IPcaller] 16:04:22 zakim, mute mhausenblas 16:04:25 mhausenblas should now be muted 16:04:30 zakim, unmute mhausenblas 16:04:30 mhausenblas should no longer be muted 16:04:35 zakim, mute me 16:04:35 sorry, anadiotis, I do not see a party named 'anadiotis' 16:04:48 +Stamatia 16:04:48 zakim, mute george 16:04:48 george should now be muted 16:04:55 zakim, mute Giovanni 16:04:55 giovannit was already muted, jrvosse 16:05:09 zakim, who is speaking? 16:05:13 zakim, mute melli 16:05:13 melli should now be muted 16:05:19 zakim, unmute melli 16:05:19 melli should no longer be muted 16:05:21 raphael, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mhausenblas (9%), Thomas (10%), jacco (24%), raphael (4%), [IPcaller] (42%), Stamatia (28%) 16:05:39 zakim, mute [IPcaller] 16:05:39 [IPcaller] should now be muted 16:05:54 zakim, mute Stamatia 16:05:54 Stamatia should now be muted 16:06:10 zakim, unmute Stamatia 16:06:10 Stamatia should no longer be muted 16:06:20 vassilisT has joined #mmsem 16:06:22 zakim, unmute george 16:06:22 george should no longer be muted 16:06:24 i don't know abou tyou but i can harldy hear you 16:06:34 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:06:34 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-mmsem-minutes.html jrvosse 16:06:38 the echo is really bad 16:06:44 zakim, who is speaking? 16:06:46 +[IVML] 16:06:55 giovannit, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Roberto_Ellero (83%), raphael (60%), ??P30 (21%) 16:07:07 Chairs welcomes Paola 16:07:08 zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero 16:07:08 Roberto_Ellero should now be muted 16:07:13 clap clap 16:07:14 great 16:07:14 :-) 16:07:24 ok 16:07:44 agree 16:07:49 agree 16:07:49 agree 16:07:50 agree 16:07:52 agree 16:07:53 agree 16:07:56 agree 16:07:57 yay for the current minutes 16:07:58 agree 16:08:06 agree 16:08:08 agree 16:08:10 ok 16:08:21 PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 20 July 2006 telecon: 16:08:23 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/20-mmsem-minutes.html: ACCEPTED 16:08:37 PROPOSED next telecon 14 September 2006: ACCEPTED 16:08:54 Topic: LIAISON 16:09:30 jrvosse: next telcon on 28 Sep ... 16:09:56 ACTION: Yannis to report back to the group about the outcome of the 16:09:57 MPEG7 liason attempts after a visit of ITI in Austria [recorded in 16:09:59 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/20-mmsem-minutes.html#action01]: CONTINUED 16:10:28 zakim. ipcaller is christian 16:10:28 -Roberto_Ellero 16:10:38 zakim, ipcaller is christian 16:10:38 +christian; got it 16:10:55 zakim, mute me 16:10:55 christian was already muted, christian 16:11:27 yup .. we are also asking people who we consider very knowledgable on the topic to join but w3c membership is an issue for many 16:11:33 Vassilis: don't think new members were found 16:12:41 "Image annotation on the Semantic Web" is transfered to the XG, will not be published by SWBPD WG 16:13:04 i think it sounds good ideed 16:13:18 work more 16:13:29 rellero_ has joined #mmsem 16:13:31 Chair asks opinion about status draft 16:13:47 Vassilis: member should first read the doc 16:13:54 where is the latest version (ie, url etc.)? 16:13:56 i have not read the latest version - i will do so and provide feedback 16:14:19 Raphael: indeed, I want to assign reviewers from the XG 16:14:31 sorry, my line was out and now passcode is not valid, i follow in irc 16:14:47 is there any way to quickly have a delta from the sept 1 version? its not a wiki page unfortunately 16:15:07 rellero, you can ask for the operator (*0) and then ask to join 16:15:21 i try 16:15:34 but i connect with skype 16:15:50 ACTION: Ovidio, Stamatia to review http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/MM/image_annotation.html before mid October teleconf 16:16:28 Vassilis: if we could add things, it would be nice, but it should be ok as is 16:16:37 ok thanks 16:16:42 +[IPcaller] 16:16:57 Zakim, [IPcaller] is Roberto_Ellero 16:16:57 +Roberto_Ellero; got it 16:17:04 Topic: XG UPDATES 16:17:04 Zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero 16:17:04 Roberto_Ellero should now be muted 16:17:44 ACTION: All to make sure you have your homepage on the XG wiki 16:19:14 zakim, who is speaking? 16:19:25 christian, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mhausenblas (98%) 16:19:29 Michael: in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Ontological_Commitments I tried to step back for a metaview, using three levels 16:19:45 Michael: is this worth doing? 16:20:16 Raphael: Metalevel seems to apply to every use case 16:21:50 Jacco: What about the link between the essence and domain? 16:22:03 Michael: I'm not sure, feel free to add stuff 16:23:07 Vassilis: Apart from the use cases we also have to have the solutions... 16:23:35 ... and how are these solutions related? 16:23:57 ... how different are they? 16:24:30 Raphael: I agree, we should start writing solutions down and discuss them 16:25:41 Vassilis: this means there is time pressure, we have to hurry and put everything as soon as possible 16:26:05 Topic: 3.1 Bio-medical Image Use case: (Melliyal) 16:26:28 Melli: I am looking for more members to join in 16:27:12 Melli: I have not made much progress in the example images and metadata 16:27:26 Melli: can I setup a web demo? 16:27:34 -melli 16:27:42 zakin, unmute me 16:27:52 Action: Melli to set up a web demo for 28 September teleconf 16:27:53 zakim, unmute me 16:27:53 giovannit should no longer be muted 16:28:02 Topic: 3.2 Music Use case: (Giovanni, Christian, Thierry) 16:28:34 Giovanni: too many ways to solve things, this is not good 16:29:07 We added lyrics as metadata in the use case 16:29:38 We also suggest ways to use the semantic web to collect more metadata 16:30:02 Use many RDF channels to collect metadata 16:30:43 Giovanni: I got several emails about this use case, very productive 16:31:21 Giovanni: I will cc as much as possible 16:31:40 We should have someone from UPF in Barcelona 16:31:58 Action: Chairs to contact UPF 16:32:33 Giovanni: still looking forward to get comments (is this still realistic) 16:32:54 Action: George and Raphael to review music use case by next teleconf 16:33:42 Vassilis: When do you expect providing the solution? 16:34:17 We will provide a solution, but it may be too specific or not fully realistic 16:34:42 zakim, mute me 16:34:42 giovannit should now be muted 16:34:53 zakim, unmute me 16:34:53 giovannit should no longer be muted 16:35:28 Raphael: Giovanni, don't forget the XG is about metadata interoperability 16:35:53 Topic: 3.3 News Use case: (Raphael, Thierry, IPTC) 16:35:58 zakim, mute me 16:35:59 giovannit should now be muted 16:36:13 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:36:13 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-mmsem-minutes.html jrvosse 16:36:41 kakim, mute me 16:36:46 zakim mute me 16:36:56 Raphael: we did not made much progress, we will meet with IPTC next week 16:36:57 zakim, mute me 16:36:57 christian was already muted, christian 16:37:08 Topic: 3.4 Media Production Use case: (Vassilis) 16:37:49 Vassilis: I would like to drop this, will help Stamatia's use case instead 16:38:32 Chris: in this case I would like to join the news use case 16:38:46 No objections 16:39:23 Topic: 3.5 MPEG-7 metadata interoperability Use case: (Stamatia, Yiannis, 16:39:25 Michael) 16:39:26 Stamatia: Not much progress 16:39:58 Vassilis: we will have a separate teleconf now we have a bigger team 16:40:19 zakim, mute george 16:40:19 george should now be muted 16:40:45 Action: Vassilis et al to inform group by mail about the time table for this use case 16:41:08 zakim, unmute george 16:41:08 george should no longer be muted 16:41:21 Topic: 3.6 Semantics from Multimedia Authoring Use case: (Susanne) 16:41:23 and Tagging Use case: (George, Susanne, Thomas) 16:41:47 George: just made a major update 16:42:10 Is het a good idea to have a common structure to all use cases? 16:42:42 helemal 16:42:50 Action: Vassilis to prepare structure for all use cases by next Monday 16:43:41 George: we added intro and references, Thomas contributed to the motivating scenario 16:44:34 George: there is already a section about the possible solutions, we will continue to work on that 16:44:51 Topic: 3.7 Algorithm representation Use case: (Massimo, Patrizia, Ovidio) 16:45:14 Patrizia: Not much time during the summer, but we are thinking about more focus, it is now too vague 16:45:27 Will focus more on the image annotation aspects 16:45:43 Others are welcome to join 16:46:23 Raphael: what is the plan from know? To focus on representing image analysis alghoritms? 16:46:52 Patrizia: Yes 16:48:02 Patrizia: There is a lot of similarities among the the use cases 16:48:28 Action: Patrizia and Massimo: report on similarities among use cases 16:48:54 Action: Michael and Stamatia to review tagging use case for next teleconf 16:49:31 Raphael: I think the other use cases are not mature enough to review 16:49:59 Topic: 3.8 Low level feature extraction Use case: (Ioannis, Vasileios ... 16:50:01 addition by Susanne) 16:50:02 Deferred to next meeting 16:50:12 Topic: 4. Future Metings 16:50:31 See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Sep/0006.html 16:50:55 We will have a phone and IRC connection during the next f2f meeting coloacted with SAMT 16:51:12 Action: chairs to set up questionnaire before next teleconf 16:52:13 i'm fine 16:52:35 bye 16:52:35 bye 16:52:36 bye bye 16:52:36 bye all 16:52:36 bye everyone 16:52:37 -chalaschek 16:52:37 by 16:52:38 -Paola 16:52:38 -[IVML] 16:52:38 Topic: AOB 16:52:39 -Stamatia 16:52:39 -mhausenblas 16:52:40 Paola: There is also meeting of the mm ontology harmonisation group, everybody from this group is welcome 16:52:41 -Ovidio 16:52:41 Will send invitation later 16:52:42 bye 16:52:42 -raphael 16:52:42 -george 16:52:44 -Thomas 16:52:49 -jacco 16:52:54 -giovannit 16:52:55 -Roberto_Ellero 16:52:55 -christian 16:52:57 INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has ended 16:52:58 Attendees were mhausenblas, raphael, chalaschek, Thomas, george, jacco, Paola, Ovidio, Roberto_Ellero, giovannit, melli, Stamatia, [IVML], christian 16:53:11 exit 16:53:16 quit 16:53:19 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:53:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-mmsem-minutes.html jrvosse 16:54:24 present: +Raphael, Jacco, Michael 16:54:38 present: +Giovanni, Chris, Thomas, George 16:54:59 present: +Paola 16:55:09 present: +Massimo, Patricia, Ovidio 16:55:22 present: +Roberto_Ellero 16:55:35 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:55:35 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-mmsem-minutes.html jrvosse 16:57:52 Present: Giovanni, Chris, Thomas, George, Paola, Massimo, Patricia, Ovidio, Roberto_Ellero, Raphael, Jacco, Michael, Melli, Stamatia, Pasquale (by IRC) 16:58:12 OS has left #mmsem 16:58:30 Regrets: Ioannis, Susanne, Jeff, Thierry, Paul 16:58:34 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:58:34 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-mmsem-minutes.html jrvosse 16:58:51 bye all, ciao 17:08:02 Scribe: Jacco 17:08:05 rrsagent, draft minutes 17:08:05 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-mmsem-minutes.html jrvosse 17:08:47 alessio has joined #mmsem 17:09:38 sorry, disconnected 17:12:12 for log: i was present, too, via IRC 17:12:49 see you next time 18:53:14 Zakim has left #mmsem 19:59:17 rellero_ has joined #mmsem 19:59:30 rellero_ has left #mmsem 20:11:00 rellero__ has joined #mmsem 20:11:11 rellero__ has left #mmsem 20:20:40 chalaschek has joined #MMSEM