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Comment LC-626

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Commenter: Lisa Seeman 2 <lisa@ubaccess.com> on behalf of Invited expert at W3C, UB access

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[Free text description]Document as a wholeIntroduction Related Documents Authoring tools The Role of User Agents The Four Principles of Accessibility Important New Terms Used in WCAG 2.0 Conformance Technology assumptions and the "baseline" Conformance levels and the baseline Conformance claims Content that conforms to WCAG 1.0 How to refer to WCAG 2.0 from other documents Guideline 1.1 Success Criterion 1.1.1 Guideline 1.2 Success Criterion 1.2.1 Success Criterion 1.2.2 Success Criterion 1.2.3 Success Criterion 1.2.4 Success Criterion 1.2.5 Success Criterion 1.2.6 Success Criterion 1.2.7 Guideline 1.3 Success Criterion 1.3.1 Success Criterion 1.3.2 Success Criterion 1.3.3 Success Criterion 1.3.4 Success Criterion 1.3.5 Guideline 1.4 Success Criterion 1.4.1 Success Criterion 1.4.2 Success Criterion 1.4.3 Success Criterion 1.4.4 Guideline 2.1 Success Criterion 2.1.1 Success Criterion 2.1.2 Guideline 2.2 Success Criterion 2.2.1 Success Criterion 2.2.2 Success Criterion 2.2.3 Success Criterion 2.2.4 Success Criterion 2.2.5 Success Criterion 2.2.6 Guideline 2.3 Success Criterion 2.3.1 Success Criterion 2.3.2 Guideline 2.4 Success Criterion 2.4.1 Success Criterion 2.4.2 Success Criterion 2.4.3 Success Criterion 2.4.4 Success Criterion 2.4.5 Success Criterion 2.4.6 Success Criterion 2.4.7 Success Criterion 2.4.8 Guideline 2.5 Success Criterion 2.5.1 Success Criterion 2.5.2 Success Criterion 2.5.3 Success Criterion 2.5.4 Guideline 3.1 Success Criterion 3.1.1 Success Criterion 3.1.2 Success Criterion 3.1.3 Success Criterion 3.1.4 Success Criterion 3.1.5 Success Criterion 3.1.6 Guideline 3.2 Success Criterion 3.2.1 Success Criterion 3.2.2 Success Criterion 3.2.3 Success Criterion 3.2.4 Success Criterion 3.2.5 Guideline 4.1 Success Criterion 4.1.1 Success Criterion 4.1.2 Guideline 4.2 Success Criterion 4.2.1 Success Criterion 4.2.2 Success Criterion 4.2.3 Success Criterion 4.2.4 Appendix A: Glossary Appendix B: Checklist Appendix C: Acknowledgements Appendix D: Comparison of WCAG 1.0 checkpoints to WCAG 2.0 Appendix E: References
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open proposal pending resolved_yes resolved_no resolved_partial other assigned to Nobody Abma, Jake Abou-Zahra, Shadi Allan, Jim Auclair, Christopher Avila, Jonathan Babinszki, Tom Bailey, Bruce Bernard, Renaldo Bernier, Alex Blake, Matthew Boudreau, Denis Brewer, Judy Butler, Shari Campbell, Alastair Carlson, Laura Chakravarthula, Srinivasu Cirrincione, Pietro Conway, Vivienne Cooper, Michael Crutchfield, Elizabeth Deltour, Romain Dick, Wayne Ding, Chaohai Dirks, Kim Dixit, Shwetank Draffan, E.A. Duggin, Alistair Eggert, Eric Elledge, Michael Faulkner, Steve Ferraz, Reinaldo Fiers, Wilco Fischer, Detlev Foliot, John Garrish, Matt Garrison, Alistair Gower, Michael Guarino Reid, Loretta Hakkinen, Markku Haritos-Shea, Katie Henry, Shawn Hoffmann, Thomas Horton, Sarah Isager, Kasper Jensen, Tobias Christian Johansson, Stefan Johlic, Marc Johnson, Rick Jones, Crystal Joys Andersen, Wilhelm Kapoor, Shilpi Keim, Oliver Kirkpatrick, Andrew Kirkwood, John Kiss, Jason Kraft, Maureen Ku, JaEun Kurapati, Sujasree Lauke, Patrick Lauriat, Shawn Lee, Steve Lemon, Gez Li, Alex Li, Kepeng Li, Liangcheng Loiselle, Chris Lowney, Greg Lui, Edwina Lund, Adam Ma, Jia MacDonald, David Mace, Amanda Manser, Erich Martin, Debra McCormack, Scott McMeeking, Chris McSorley, Jan Milliken, Neil Montgomery, Rachael Mueller, Mary Jo nicole, windmann Niemann, Gundula Nurthen, James O Connor, Joshue Oh, Jeong-Hun Panchang, Sailesh Pandhi, Charu Pasi, Aparna Patch, Kimberly Philipp, Melanie Pluke, Mike Pouncey, Ian Repsher, Stephen Rochford, John Runyan, Marla Savva, Andreas Sawczyn, Steve Schnabel, Stefan Seeman-Kestenbaum, Lisa Sims, Glenda Singh, Avneesh Skotkjerra, Stein Erik Sloan, David Smith, Alan Smith, Jim Solomon, Adam Spellman, Jeanne F Strobbe, Christophe Suprock, Greg Swallow, David Thompson, Kenneth Thyme, Anne Ueki, Makoto Vaishnav, Jatin Vanderheiden, Gregg Venkata, Manoj Wahlbin, Kathleen Wang, Can WANG, WEI White, Jason Zelmanowicz, Erica Zerner, Adam Zhang, Mengni

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2006May/0137.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2006May/att-0137/wcagform_ch2_.html

Comment (including rationale for proposed change):

surely this only helps if titles are unique -any objection to unique should not apply at level 3

Proposed Change:

change to Web units have descriptive and unique titles

Related issues: LC-625 LC-838 LC-839 LC-971 LC-1052 LC-1141 LC-1289 LC-1291
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WG Notes: [TEAMB] @@ MU: I also agree this comment in addition to LC-625. JIS has a guideline which reads "A page shall have a title which enables users to identify content of the page." as 5.2 e). This requires the page title to be descriptive and unique within the website. Finally I'd like to change 2.4.3 to "Web units have descriptive and unique titles" and also changed 2.4.5 to "Headings and labels are descriptive". Is there any reason to have 2 levels of criteria about the page title(title for web unit)?? LGR: Background: the June 2005 WCAG2 draft had "Delivery units have descriptive titles". This was changed as a result of the 13 October 2005 Team B Survey, http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20051012teamb/results#xdestitle which was primarily focused on issues of what to say about document structure and making headings descriptive. Discussed in the 24 August 2006 telecon: Resolution: Team B Take back LC-625, LC-626: descriptive titles (look at G88) http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2006/08/24-wai-wcag-minutes.htm Discussed in the 31 August 2006 telecon: resolution: accept LC-625, LC-626, LC-1105, LC-1141, LC-1291: Descriptive titles as amended action: Loretta to add language to the appropriate responses that explains why we are not adding "unique" http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2006/08/31-wai-wcag-minutes.html {accept} SEE ACTIONS FOR LC-625 DONE Loretta to add language to the appropriate responses that explains why we are not adding "unique" The following actions are for G88: DONE Remove references to Success Criterion 2.4.5 (Labels Descriptive), How to Meet Success Criterion 2.4.5 DONE Add after second sentence of description: A descriptive title allows a user to easily identify what Web unit they are using and to tell when the Web unit has changed. DONE Remove from Description: “These techniques benefit all users. They are especially helpful for users with disabilities that make reading slow, and for people with limited short-term memory. People who have difficulty using their hands or who experience pain when doing so will benefit from techniques that reduce the number of keystrokes required to reach the content they need.� DONE Change: “The title of each Web unit that can be accessed separately should:� to “The title of each Web unit should:� DONE Add to “may also be helpful� list: - Be unique within the site or other resource to which the Web unit belongs Internal WD updated 5 Sept.

Resolution: We have changed SC 2.4.3 to "Web pages have descriptive titles" and have also reflected this change in success criterion 2.4.5 and the support documents for both success criteria. The success criterion does not require that titles be unique because the working group is concerned that requiring uniqueness will lead to titles that are not as descriptive and usable. It may be very difficult to create titles that are descriptive, unique, and reasonably short. For example, a Web page that generates titles dynamically based on its content might need to include part of the dynamic content in the title to ensure that it was unique. We are also concerned that authors may make titles unique mechanically, such as by including a unique number in the title that is unrelated to the content. For these reasons, although we encourage unique titles in the techniques for this success criterion, we are not including uniqueness in the success criterion itself.

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