W3C

SWBPD WG

22 Aug 2005

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Guus Schreiber, Ralph Swick, Fabien Gandon, Giorgos Stamou, Chris Welty, Alistair Miles, Benjamin Nguyen (irc only)
Regrets
David Booth, Deborah McGuinness, Elisa Kendall, Natasha Noy, Phil Tetlow, Libby Miller, Jeff Pan, Brian McBride
Chair
Guus
Scribe
Ralph
Previous
2005-07-25

Contents


1. Admin

RESOLVED: minutes of previous telecon [25 July] accepted

next meeting: 5 September

Ralph: 5 September is a US Holiday, "Labor Day"

ChrisW: I am willing to meet on the 5th

Guus: I'm not available on 12 September

Ralph: ok to meet, but expect regrets from many U.S. participants

Guus: 5 Sep or the following telecon we should consider what work we might want to propose for a charter extension or which work to close down

2. Liaison

2.1 Proposed resolution httpRange-14

ACTION: Ralph, DavidW, and DavidB to an initial draft of TAG httpRange-14 resolution impact on semweb application developers [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action02] [CONTINUES]

2.2 XML Schema Last Call

ACTION: jjc to review XML Schema last call [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action02] [CONTINUES]

2.3 OMG: ODM Review

ACTION: Guus to comment on ODM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action05] [WITHDRAWN]

Chris: there was discussion on whether triples are resources
... we were about to conclude that a triple was not a resource as it does not have a URI
... Pat Hayes corrected us pointing out that triples _could_ be resources if they were given URIs
... this question has caused confusion in the community
... the RDF specification is confusing, particularly as reification is non-normative

Ralph: it has been my belief that something could be a Resource and yet not have a URI

Guus: what are the practical implications?

Chris: this impacts the ODM work as they are trying to produce a data model for RDF, RDFS, and OWL
... if there is a class for Statement, does it go under the Resource class or not?
... like Guus, I did not believe that triples were resources until Pat pointed this out
... perhaps we need some more documentation in this area to spread the word

ACTION: ChrisW post mail to the WG about the ODM question of triples, Statements, and Resources [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/22-swbp-minutes.html#action03]

2.4 WAI Protocol and Formats WG Request

ACTION: jjc review EARL requirements [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action05] [CONTINUES]

Guus: request from Al Gilman, "Fwd: PFWG is seeking some conversation time with SW Best Practices [...] Group"
... defer discussion to future telecon

2.5 Other

Guus: "Using URIs to identify non-information resources" [David Booth 2005-07-11] has generated a lot of discussion:

Guus: defer this discussion to next telecon

3. TF Updates

3.11 MM TF Proposal

Revised version of MM TF proposal [Giorgos 2005-07-27]

PROPOSED to accept this TF as a new SWBP TF.

Ralph: my specific comments have been addressed in this proposal update but I have a general sense of unease given the lack of response from the rest of the WG

Chris: I share this discomfort; the WG is stretched very thin and we are having trouble reviewing the work of the current task forces

Guus: we can talk next meeting about shutting down some Task Forces

Chris: that won't help, as the candidates to be shut down are not producing documents to review
... work produced by the proposed MM task force will need to be reviewed by the rest of the WG
... there isn't enough bandwidth in the rest of the WG for this review
... SE TF is experiencing this problem right now

<Benjamin> I have reviewed SE draft

<Benjamin> albeit with some delay, for which I am sorry about

<Benjamin> review posted to the WG this afternoon

Guus: I'm afraid if we continue to postpone this it will be too late to start

Giorgos: we have a collection of examples, several projects, and several people have been sending us materials

<ChrisW> I won't vote against the proposal

Giorgos: we are now working on a formal deliverable
... we have given ourselves a deadline of end of September for this deliverable

Guus: please send this to the WG list
... I'd like to take a positive attitude and see how it can fit in

<aliman> I think as long as we have the effort to run the TF, and we think the TF is worthy, then we should go ahead.

Giorgos: we have posted to the WG and several, including Jeremy, have send commetns
... some comments from outside W3C also

-> Collecting examples of image annotation on the semantic web [Jacco 2005-07-27]

Guus: this is a big area for the Web and the proposal has clear short-term goals

Giogos: we have shared this TF proposal with some non-Members such as Jane Hunter and John Smith from IBM
... if we don't formally open the TF those individuals may not be able to contribute

Guus: we don't have enough people at this telecon to make a decision today

Guus: I welcome the TF to continue to work on the assumption of a positive decision at the next WG telecon
... I am very sorry for the continued delay in making a decision

3.1 PORT

<aliman> re PORT ... discussion around 2nd review of SKOS Core is underway, Mark van Assem has submitted comments on proposed changes, waiting on Ralph for comments on proposed changes.

3.2 OEP

Guus: n-ary relations reviews from Guus and Ralph are done

ACTION: Guus review new n-ary relations editor's draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action04] [DONE]

ACTION: Ralph review new n-ary relations editor's draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action03] [DONE]

Chris: we haven't had TF telecons for a while but hope to resume next week
... we are thinking of rescheduling OEP TF telecon to Monday on alternate weeks between WG telecon
... the purpose of the abstract syntax note was to help in writing simple part-whole note
... would like reviewers to see that simple part-whole note meets their requirements
... the new part-whole draft reflects responses to all the reviews

Using OWL abstract syntax in notes [Chris 2005-08-10]

editors draft of simple part-whole note ready for review [Chris 2005-08-11]

Guus: the reviewers should confirm that their comments have been addressed

Chris: Bill from Adobe was one of the reviewers and hasn't been around much. Don't expect difficulty getting confirmation from the other reviewers. Most comments were editorial

3.3 WordNet

Guus: there has been some progress

ACTION: Aldo to propose an update the Wordnet TF description [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action04] [CONTINUES]

-> Proposal for WordNet datamodel from Mark van Assem

3.4 XML Schema datatypes

ACTION: JeffP to draft a response to dave reynolds [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action09] [CONTINUES]

Comments:
Frank Manola 2005-04-29
Dave Reynolds 2005-07-18

3.8 RDFTM

ACTION: Guus send email to Steve Pepper re status of new rdftm draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html#action07] [DONE]

3.10 SE TF

ACTION: Chris to review SETF note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action08] [WITHDRAWN]

ACTION: Benjamin to review SETF note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action08] [DONE]

<Benjamin> see my previous comments on the log

ACTION: Guus remind WG about participation expectations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/22-swbp-minutes.html#action05]

[adjourned]

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: ChrisW post mail to the WG about the ODM question of triples, Statements, and Resources [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/22-swbp-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Guus remind WG about participation expectations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/22-swbp-minutes.html#action05]

[DONE] ACTION: Benjamin to review SETF note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action08]
[DONE] ACTION: Guus review new n-ary relations editor's draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action04]
[DONE] ACTION: Guus send email to Steve Pepper re status of new rdftm draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html#action07]
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph review new n-ary relations editor's draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action03]

[PENDING] ACTION: Aldo to propose an update the Wordnet TF description [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action04
[PENDING] ACTION: Gavin find out from his community and contacts if they have use cases for GRDDL
[PENDING] ACTION: JeffP to draft a response to dave reynolds [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: jjc review EARL requirements [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: jjc to review XML Schema last call [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph, DavidW, and DavidB to an initial draft of TAG httpRange-14 resolution impact on semweb application developers [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action02]

[WITHDRAWN] ACTION: Chris to review SETF note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action08]
[WITHDRAWN] ACTION: Guus to comment on ODM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action05]

[End of minutes]

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