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<scribe> ScribeNick: addison
<xfq> [Fù qiáo]
<barryleiba> Addison
https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
action-618?
<trackbot> action-618 -- Richard Ishida to Create a short document about making direction default recommendation to be 'auto' and send to www-international@ for review -- due 2017-08-25 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/618
action-645?
<trackbot> action-645 -- Addison Phillips to Remind working group to read whatwg html issue 2945 for discussion next telecon -- due 2017-08-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/645
close action-645
<trackbot> Closed action-645.
action-646?
<trackbot> action-646 -- Richard Ishida to Publish strings-and-bidi article -- due 2017-08-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/646
close action-646
<trackbot> Closed action-646.
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
richard: worked on css align,
very complex
... like a large math equation :-)
... maybe not much to worry about
... couple things, it's about aligning blocks inside another
block
... can do horizontally or vertically
... call the vertical alignment in horizontally laid text
... have properties like "align self" and "align content"
... or "jusitfy self" or "justify content"
... word 'justify' already confusing??
... and the section on baseline alignment is difficult to
understand when differnet script baselines in use
... editors aware of the problem obviously, but not obvious to
me how the baseline is chosen
... thinking of raising question
http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
schedule review of issues for next week
http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
<scribe> ACTION: richard: send list of review items for next week (pendings and close? items) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-647 - Send list of review items for next week (pendings and close? items) [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-09-07].
richard: growing momentum to idea
that mongolian handled differently than currently in
unicode
... ad hoc committee
... not sure why not on mongolian list
... will suggest that
... key proposal is "graphetic" approach
... if type sound a/aa/oo they all look the same
... confusing when typing
... useful to computers in distinguishing words
... all sorts of complex rules, such as gender of word
... you have one character for every shape (not quite that
simple)
... type what you see
<scribe> ACTION: richard: ask mongolian ad hoc group to use our list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-648 - Ask mongolian ad hoc group to use our list [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-09-07].
<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-discuss/notes/language-matrix
richard: last week talked about
above link (language matrix)
... graphical idea of where pain points are for world's
languages
... have to be careful about what languages chosen
... list is a bunch in alpha order by script tag
<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/typography/gap-analysis/ethi
richard: bit more flesh on bone
for ethiopic/amharic
... only javanese last week
... ethiopic more developed, used ELReq
... more complete
... taking another step
... hebrew layout req and arabic layout req folks
... approach from this angle?
... send email to shervin
<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/typography/gap-analysis/arab-ar-fa
richard: click on arabic
link
... probably add more pages for urdu, uighur. this covers
ar/fa
... should help arabic layout folks zoom in on things that need
requirements
... idea is to use gap analysis to prompt to write
requirements
... write down what does/doesn't work
... write tests to demonstrate
... and write reqs for things that don't work so know what to
do
... wanted to mention, since fuqiao is here
... try to reactivate chinese work
... maybe additional thing to consider there
... ask chinese experts "what's still missing"
david: what does level represent?
richard: level represents
overall
... color says whether the language works or not on the
web
... numbers are very kludgey
... added points for dark green, etc. and divided
... hokey, but gives some idea
jck: two suggestions
... comment at bottom welcoming analysis of other languages
richard: meant to do that and forgot
jck: under 'latn' you have
"serbo-croatian"
... and no longer politically correct
https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/2945
richard: the attribute as billed
currently looks at the content and tries to decide what to do
based on content
... but should reflect preference of the user
... that's significant
... that makes a "loud clang"
... if you're reading hindi with the page translated
... and the link says "translate to hindi"
... second page in english would hint english
addison: don't see how page authors would use this
(much unminuted discussion)
David: another thing might be Referrer-Language
richard: worth thinking about, "there's been a change in language here"
andrewc: spec out how browsers handle
david: think we conclude that bad to embed it
richard: easier to change
language preferences and see them
... and maybe some way to signal language change
<xfq> +1 to david & richard
<scribe> ACTION: addison: reply to whatwg 2945 translatehint issue with wg opinion [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/08/31-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-649 - Reply to whatwg 2945 translatehint issue with wg opinion [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-09-07].
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