W3C

Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

19 Nov 2015

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Addison, Steve, JcK, felix(for_first_30_minutes), koji
Regrets
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Addison Phillips

Contents


Agenda?

Action Items

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

action-455?

<trackbot> action-455 -- Addison Phillips to Respond to fantasai saying we'll send style info along by next week -- due 2015-07-30 -- CLOSED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/455

action-445?

<trackbot> action-445 -- Addison Phillips to Check out using a subsetting web font for example chars -- due 2015-06-11 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/445

close action-445

<trackbot> Closed action-445.

action-461?

<trackbot> action-461 -- Richard Ishida to Re-read issue-80 and evaluate whether to reopen as a github issue or not -- due 2015-09-10 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/461

action-476?

<trackbot> action-476 -- Addison Phillips to Write back to media capture saying that we'll continue to work on problem but they can publish in the meantime -- due 2015-10-22 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/476

close action-476

<trackbot> Closed action-476.

close action-480

<trackbot> Closed action-480.

close action-481

<trackbot> Closed action-481.

Info Share

Radar and Project Review

https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar

https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar

split out Tibetan LR

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/tlreq/

richard: rewritten that document
... waiting for a chinese translation
... can do fwpd then

ruchard: ruby
... there's some discussion between implementers and anne vk
... implementation of items such as rb and rbc
... vary across browsers
... whatwg didn't help that much
... convergence on html5 definition
... sufficient convergence for webvtt?

richard: bidi
... continuing to talk to implementers about @dir isolation
... talked to msft
... talked to miles from safari
... koji says chrome will implement if tests exist and other browsers do
... just submitted some tests to the ttwf suite
... anyone to review?
... key item is that bidi expert needed to review

addison: was that your email to winter?

richard: yes
... some tests for rli control and its friends
... anyyone could do it
... look up how reviews are done?

IDN

richard: wiating for david to suggest repo name

<scribe> ACTION: richard: follow up with David S. to get name for repo and set up said repo [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/19-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-482 - Follow up with david s. to get name for repo and set up said repo [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-11-26].

Encoding and Encoding Tests

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Nov/0014.html

richard: created a whole bunch more tests

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/repo/results/encoding-dbl-byte

richard: see above
... big5, euc-jp, euc-kr
... results
... two more to do
... ISO-2022
... and gb18030
... 18030 has a gbk flag
... just write two tests??
... have tests for encoding/decoding that test the repertoires
... what became clear to me was "big5" wasn't what was formally defined
... only those codepoints handled by web browsers
... are some big differences
... japanese euc
... can only encode half of the characters you can decode

jis 0208 and jis 0212

scribe: a "good first step" to get browsers doing the same thing

richard: need tests to tests for what happens when things go wrong

jck: kermit did this awhile ago... doyou know frank dacruz

talk about encoding spec in two weeks

WebVTT Status

richard: went through the issues
... at tpac with simon
... and again this week
... here's the link

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/openissues/#webvtt1

richard: pulled in some (t) issues that they came up with
... and the (c) issues I think we can close

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/436

<scribe> ACTION: addison: review close marked webvtt issues and close if satisfied [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/19-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-483 - Review close marked webvtt issues and close if satisfied [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-11-26].

richard: discussion of ruby model incomplete
... rb wanted?
... simon mentioned that whatwg doesn't have it
... had a look and don't think it's an issue for rb
... understand not doing rtc or rbrbrbrtrtrt model

addison: I agree with pushing back

presentation-api

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/presentation-api/issues/218

richard: some concern because different encodings
... might look weird
... problem might be ideographic characters across languages
... talked last week, wrote back
... not ideal presentation
... associate language with content when sent
... and that can be used to present
... another person said use accept-language
... but that's really just for saying what you prefer
... not a mechanism for addressing font selection and such
... wrong tool for the job

addison: it's a lot more work to do language negotation using a-l and such
... when what we're really doing is allowing a device to send the language for a given string
... so that it can be displayed as intended
... that's really much simpler

CharMod

addison: closed almost all open issues
... take a look

AOB?

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: addison: review close marked webvtt issues and close if satisfied [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/19-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: follow up with David S. to get name for repo and set up said repo [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/19-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
 

Summary of Resolutions

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