IRC log of i18n on 2015-11-19

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trackbot, prepare teleconference
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Zakim, this will be 4186
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I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 19 November 2015
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Nov/0017.html
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Chair: Addison Phillips
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ScribeNick: aphillip
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Scribe: Addison Phillips
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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agenda+ Encoding and Encoding Tests
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agenda+ WebVTT Status
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agenda+ Presentation-API Issue 506 status
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agenda+ CharMod
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Present+ Addison
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Present+ Steve
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present+ JcK
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Present+ JcK
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Present fsasaki
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Topic: Agenda?
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agenda?
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agenda+ encoding spec
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Topic: Action Items
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http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
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action-455?
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action-455 -- Addison Phillips to Respond to fantasai saying we'll send style info along by next week -- due 2015-07-30 -- CLOSED
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http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/455
15:09:06 [fsasaki]
present+ felix(for_first_30_minutes)
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action-445?
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action-445 -- Addison Phillips to Check out using a subsetting web font for example chars -- due 2015-06-11 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/445
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close action-445
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Closed action-445.
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action-461?
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action-461 -- Richard Ishida to Re-read issue-80 and evaluate whether to reopen as a github issue or not -- due 2015-09-10 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/461
15:12:36 [aphillip]
action-476?
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action-476 -- Addison Phillips to Write back to media capture saying that we'll continue to work on problem but they can publish in the meantime -- due 2015-10-22 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/476
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close action-476
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Closed action-476.
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close action-480
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Closed action-480.
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close action-481
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Closed action-481.
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Topic: Info Share
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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Topic: Radar and Project Review
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https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
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https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
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split out Tibetan LR
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http://w3c.github.io/tlreq/
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richard: rewritten that document
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... waiting for a chinese translation
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... can do fwpd then
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ruchard: ruby
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... there's some discussion between implementers and anne vk
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... implementation of items such as rb and rbc
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... vary across browsers
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... whatwg didn't help that much
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... convergence on html5 definition
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... sufficient convergence for webvtt?
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richard: bidi
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... continuing to talk to implementers about @dir isolation
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... talked to msft
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... talked to miles from safari
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... koji says chrome will implement if tests
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... just submitted some tests to the ttwf suite
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... anyone to review?
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... key item is that bidi expert needed to review
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addison: was that your email to winter?
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richard: yes
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... some tests for rli control and its friends
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... anyyone could do it
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... look up how reviews are done?
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IDN
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richard: wiating for david to suggest repo name
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action: richard: follow up with David S. to get name for repo and set up said repo
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Created ACTION-482 - Follow up with david s. to get name for repo and set up said repo [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-11-26].
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agenda?
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Encoding and Encoding Tests" taken up [from aphillip]
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Nov/0014.html
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richard: created a whole bunch more tests
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http://www.w3.org/International/tests/repo/results/encoding-dbl-byte
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richard: see above
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... big5, euc-jp, euc-kr
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... results
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... two more to do
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... ISO-2022
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... and gb18030
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... 18030 has a gbk flag
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... just write two tests??
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richard: have tests for encoding/decoding that test the repertoires
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... what became clear to me was "big5" wasn't what was formally defined
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... only those codepoints handled by web browsers
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... are some big differences
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... japanese euc
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... can only encode half of the characters you can decode
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jis 0208 and jis 0212
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... a "good first step" to get browsers doing the same thing
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richard: need tests to tests for what happens when things go wrong
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jck: kermit did this awhile ago... doyou know frank dacruz
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agenda?
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talk about encoding spec in two weeks
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "WebVTT Status" taken up [from aphillip]
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richard: went through the issues
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... at tpac with simon
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... and again this week
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... here's the link
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http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/openissues/#webvtt1
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richard: pulled in some (t) issues that they came up with
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... and the (c) issues I think we can close
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http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/436
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action: addison: review close marked webvtt issues and close if satisfied
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Created ACTION-483 - Review close marked webvtt issues and close if satisfied [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-11-26].
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richard: discussion of ruby model incomplete
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... rb wanted?
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... simon mentioned that whatwg doesn't have it
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... had a look and don't think it's an issue for rb
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... understand not doing rtc or rbrb or rbrtrbrt model
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addison: I agree with pushing back
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agenda?
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agenda?
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TOPIC: presentation-api
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https://github.com/w3c/presentation-api/issues/218
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richard: some concern because different encodings
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... might look weird
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... problem might be ideographic characters across languages
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... talked last week, wrote back
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... not ideal presentation
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... associate language with content when sent
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... and that can be used to present
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richard: another person said use accept-language
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... but that's really just for saying what you prefer
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... not a mechanism for addressing font selection and such
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... wrong tool for the job
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addison: it's a lot more work to do language negotation using a-l and such
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... when what we're really doing is allowing a device to send the language for a given string
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... so that it can be displayed as intended
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... that's really much simpler
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agenda?
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zakim, take up agendum 4
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agendum 4. "CharMod" taken up [from aphillip]
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addison: closed almost all open issues
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... take a look
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topic: AOB?
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rrsagent, make minutes
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zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Steve, JcK, felix(for_first_30_minutes)
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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present+ koji
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