W3C

Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

25 Jun 2015

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
David, John, Klensin, Addison, r12a, Steve, felix, david, Leandro, koji
Regrets
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
aphillip

Contents


Agenda

Action Items

action-113?

<trackbot> action-113 -- Richard Ishida to Work on tidying up Additional Requirements for Bidi in HTML & CSS over coming couple of months -- due 2015-02-05 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/113

richard: will have a look at it. will proceed without aharon

action-358?

<trackbot> action-358 -- Felix Sasaki to Retire requirements for its 2.0 -- due 2014-11-06 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/358

felix, any update?

close action-421

<trackbot> Closed action-421.

action-444?

<trackbot> action-444 -- Addison Phillips to Write to w3 parties requesting that the publication tool be updated to support note track documents after richard identifiers who to ping -- due 2015-06-04 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/444

richard: did have conversation with the tools folks

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/echidna/issues/197

richard: system guys talking to plh about what to do, so you could add something to the above issue
... as the chair

action-446?

<trackbot> action-446 -- Richard Ishida to Ask ivan about his experience with using github issues and best practices and report back -- due 2015-06-11 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/446

close action-446

<trackbot> Closed action-446.

Info Share

richard: unicode 8 released
... includes lots of stuff, 6 new script blocks, skin tones
... uniview updated
... > 28000 images * 2 to cover all non-Han ideographs
... welcome to use them to show a character in a document
... under some kind of cc license

<r12a> http://rishida.io/scripts/links

richard: fwiw, have pointers to info about scripts
... updated to include all unicode 8
... includes typographic and layout requirements that I know of
... if you have any other info, **please** let me know!

RADAR and Active Work Review

https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar

steve: vehicle info ones too please

richard: changes to counter style spec were related to chinese and maybe hebrew
... when outside the range
... like up to 9999
... but some people said they implemented beyond that
... so changed to say you could implement if you want to
... but doesn't say how
... "implementation specific styles" beyond that
... changed our tests with respect to that as well
... dennis sent me updates to his actions
... will put somewhere public

https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar

chinese layout requirements

richard: just a bit more translation

addison: in a week or so?

richard: hope so but depends on others

ruby

richard: FF now has great support for not only markup but the styling
... going from almost no support to leading support
... check it out

vertical text

koji: long controversial topic about sideways-left
... we would like to solve the concern
... there will be some changes around that
... basic concern is that sideways-left can apply inline as well as blocks
... and affects baseline
... and logical direction
... can to to top or right, depends on line
... dbaron said "it's a little complex"
... so trying to solve that
... text-orientation sideways is hard for authors to understand accoring to richard
... trying to solve that too

Republish Korean Layout doc

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Jun/0020.html

richard: ported spec to respec
... partially localized respec

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/TR/klreq/

richard: above is current TR version

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/klreq/

richard: above is English version

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/klreq/ko/

richard: above is Korean version
... would like to publlish the above to TR so that the these are on TR
... and including pointer to github issues

<fsasaki> +1 to publish

<scribe> chair: resolve to publish new version of Korean Layout Requirements?

<Leandro> +1

+1

<David> +1

<Steve_Atkin> Steve +1

<r12a> +1

<JcK> +1

<koji> +1

<scribe> chair: so resolved

<scribe> ACTION: richard: publish updated version of KLReq [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-447 - Publish updated version of klreq [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-07-02].

Publication Process Change

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Jun/0025.html

<r12a> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Jun/0019.html

richard: main thing is to not do what we just did... ;-)
... remove need to make formal resolution to publish
... so that the github version and TR version track closely
... the reason to do that is so that users review TR version
... because TR is dated
... and can scroll back to see what the text specifically was
... so asking that the WG agree that editors can publish at any time without approval of WG
... this would apply to working drafts *only*
... could update daily (more likely every couple of weeks)
... when editor is ready
... First Public or Note publication would require WG approval
... just about keeping TR in sync with github version
... process proposal also says that suggestions can be put on github branches before merging

<scribe> chair: do you support (+1) or not support (-1) proposal to change our default publication process to not require WG approval for editors to update TR from github version

<koji> +1

+1

<r12a> +1

<Leandro> +1

<fsasaki> +1

<David> +1

<Steve_Atkin> +1

<JcK> +1 (with more confidence than on the last vote)

<scribe> chair: so resolved

Respond about Mediastream Track label

<scribe> ACTION: addison: write a proposal to the working group for options in handling language and direction metadata in cases such as mediastream labels [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-448 - Write a proposal to the working group for options in handling language and direction metadata in cases such as mediastream labels [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-07-02].

bidi in plain text http://r12a.github.io/docs/bidi-plain-text/index.html

richard: this addresses above item a bit
... looking at csv spec
... and looking at webvtt stuff again
... like json and other plain text
... how do you deal with plain text
... for direction and language

<r12a> http://r12a.github.io/docs/bidi-plain-text/index.html

richard: started writing article above
... have a section about csv
... could have other sections about other formats
... what are possibilities, etc.

addison: best practices and guidance for spec authors?

richard: assign an action to the wg to read and discuss

<scribe> ACTION: addison: remind WG membership to read and be ready to discuss http://r12a.github.io/docs/bidi-plain-text/index.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-449 - Remind wg membership to read and be ready to discuss http://r12a.github.io/docs/bidi-plain-text/index.html [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-07-02].

<scribe> ACTION: richard: ask Dom to change settings to notify of all traffic on our issues via email [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-450 - Ask dom to change settings to notify of all traffic on our issues via email [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-07-02].

AOB?

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: addison: remind WG membership to read and be ready to discuss http://r12a.github.io/docs/bidi-plain-text/index.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: write a proposal to the working group for options in handling language and direction metadata in cases such as mediastream labels [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: ask Dom to change settings to notify of all traffic on our issues via email [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: publish updated version of KLReq [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
 
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