IRC log of i18n on 2015-06-25

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trackbot, prepare teleconference

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RRSAgent, make logs world

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Zakim, this will be 4186

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ok, trackbot; I see I18N_WG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes

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Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 25 June 2015

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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Jun/0026.html

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Chair: Addison Phillips

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ScribeNick: aphillip

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agenda+ RADAR and Active Work Review

13:54:43 [r12a]

addison, we don't want people joining the zakim bridge

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agenda+ Respond about Mediastream Track label

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agenda+ Republish Korean Layout doc

13:55:03 [r12a]

we'll need to check for that

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agenda+ Publication Process Change

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agenda+ CharMod

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip

13:56:20 [r12a]

agenda+ bidi in plain text http://r12a.github.io/docs/bidi-plain-text/index.html

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agenda+ webvtt review review

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agenda+ csv review review

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agenda?

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topic?

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I18N_WG()10:00AM has now started

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I18N_WG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were

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Host key: 206921

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David and JcK: we're on webex, remember? ;-)

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present+ John Klesnin

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+ +1.916.412.aaaa

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I18N_WG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were +1.916.412.aaaa

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+??P1

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present+ Addison

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present+ r12a

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present+

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zakim, ??P1 is me

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+David; got it

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present+ Steve

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felix, phone in?

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agenda?

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felix, i see you on the monitor, did you click on the Connect Audio button?

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-David

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I18N_WG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were David

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David, Webex meeting link: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m57e9ca8f57e92da37d5beb9cf9f03c9f

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Topic: Agenda

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agenda?

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Topic: Action Items

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action-113?

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action-113 -- Richard Ishida to Work on tidying up Additional Requirements for Bidi in HTML & CSS over coming couple of months -- due 2015-02-05 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/113

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richard: will have a look at it. will proceed without aharon

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David, did you click on the Connect Audio button?

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action-358?

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action-358 -- Felix Sasaki to Retire requirements for its 2.0 -- due 2014-11-06 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/358

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felix, any update?

14:11:46 [fsasaki]

present+ felix

14:11:56 [David]

present +david

14:12:04 [Leandro]

present +Leandro

14:12:06 [koji]

present +koji

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present+ david

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close action-421

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Closed action-421.

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action-444?

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action-444 -- Addison Phillips to Write to w3 parties requesting that the publication tool be updated to support note track documents after richard identifiers who to ping -- due 2015-06-04 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/444

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richard: did have conversation with the tools folks

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https://github.com/w3c/echidna/issues/197

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richard: system guys talking to plh about what to do, so you could add something to the above issue

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... as the chair

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action-446?

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action-446 -- Richard Ishida to Ask ivan about his experience with using github issues and best practices and report back -- due 2015-06-11 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/446

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close action-446

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Closed action-446.

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Topic: Info Share

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richard: unicode 8 released

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... includes lots of stuff, 6 new script blocks, skin tones

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... uniview updated

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... 28000 images * 2 to cover all non-Han ideographs

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... welcome to use them to show a character in a document

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... under some kind of cc license

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http://rishida.io/scripts/links

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richard: fwiw, have pointers to info about scripts

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... updated to include all unicode 8

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... includes typographic and layout requirements that I know of

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... if you have any other info, **please** let me know!

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip

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agenda?

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zakim, take up agendum 1

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agendum 1. "RADAR and Active Work Review" taken up [from aphillip]

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https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar

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q+

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steve: vehicle info ones too please

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ack r12a

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richard: changes to counter style spec were related to chinese and maybe hebrew

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... when outside the range

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... like up to 9999

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... but some people said they implemented beyond that

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... so changed to say you could implement if you want to

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... but doesn't say how

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... "implementation specific styles" beyond that

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richard: changed our tests with respect to that as well

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richard: dennis sent me updates to his actions

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... will put somewhere public

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https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar

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chinese layout requirements

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richard: just a bit more translation

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addison: in a week or so?

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richard: hope so but depends

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ruby

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richard: FF now has great support for not only markup but the styling

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... going from almost no support to leading support

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... check it out

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vertical text

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koji: long controversial topic about sideways-left

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... we would like to solve the concern

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... there will be some changes around that

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koji: basic concern is that sideways-left can apply inline as well as blocks

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... and affects baseline

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... and logical direction

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... can to to top or right, depends on line

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... dbaron said "it's a little complex"

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... so trying to solve that

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koji: text-orientation sideways is hard for authors to understand accoring to richard

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... trying to solve that too

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agenda?

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zakim, take up agendum 3

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agendum 3. "Republish Korean Layout doc" taken up [from aphillip]

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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Jun/0020.html

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richard: ported spec to respec

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... partially localized respec

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http://www.w3.org/TR/klreq/

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richard: above is current TR version

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip

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http://w3c.github.io/klreq/

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richard: above is English version

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http://w3c.github.io/klreq/ko/

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richard: above is Korean version

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richard: would like to publlish the above to TR so that the these are on TR

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... and including pointer to github issues

14:34:49 [fsasaki]

+1 to publish

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chair: resolve to publish new version of Korean Layout Requirements?

14:34:53 [Leandro]

+1

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+1

14:34:55 [David]

+1

14:34:56 [Steve_Atkin]

Steve +1

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+1

14:35:06 [JcK]

+1

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+1

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chair: so resolved

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action: richard: publish updated version of KLReq

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Created ACTION-447 - Publish updated version of klreq [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-07-02].

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agenda?

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zakim, take up agendum 4

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agendum 4. "Publication Process Change" taken up [from aphillip]

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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Jun/0025.html

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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Jun/0019.html

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip

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richard: main thing is to not do what we just did... ;-)

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... remove need to make formal resolution to publish

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... so that the github version and TR version track closely

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... the reason to do that is so that users review TR version

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... because TR is dated

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... and can scroll back to see what the text specifically was

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... so asking that the WG agree that editors can publish at any time without approval of WG

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... this would apply to working drafts *only*

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... could update daily (more likely every couple of weeks)

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... when editor is ready

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richard: First Public or Note publication would require WG approval

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... just about keeping TR in sync with github version

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richard: process proposal also says that suggestions can be put on github branches before merging

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chair: do you support (+1) or not support (-1) proposal to change our default publication process to not require WG approval for editors to update TR from github version

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+1

14:43:12 [aphillip]

+1

14:43:14 [r12a]

+1

14:43:16 [Leandro]

+1

14:43:16 [fsasaki]

+1

14:43:17 [David]

+1

14:43:19 [Steve_Atkin]

+1

14:43:32 [JcK]

+1 (with more confidence than on the last vote)

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip

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agenda?

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chair: so resolved

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip

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zakim, take up agendum 2

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agendum 2. "Respond about Mediastream Track label" taken up [from aphillip]

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action: addison: write a proposal to the working group for options in handling language and direction metadata in cases such as mediastream labels

14:50:13 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-448 - Write a proposal to the working group for options in handling language and direction metadata in cases such as mediastream labels [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-07-02].

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agenda?

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zakim, take up agendum 6

14:50:58 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "bidi in plain text http://r12a.github.io/docs/bidi-plain-text/index.html" taken up [from r12a]

14:51:10 [aphillip]

richard: this addresses above item a bit

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... looking at csv spec

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... and looking at webvtt stuff again

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... like json and other plain text

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... how do you deal with plain text

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.. for direction and language

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http://r12a.github.io/docs/bidi-plain-text/index.html

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.... started writing article above

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... have a section about csv

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... could have other sections about other formats

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... what are possibilities, etc.

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addison: best practices and guidance for spec authors?

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richard: assign an action to the wg to read and discuss

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action: addison: remind WG membership to read and be ready to discuss http://r12a.github.io/docs/bidi-plain-text/index.html

14:54:32 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-449 - Remind wg membership to read and be ready to discuss http://r12a.github.io/docs/bidi-plain-text/index.html [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-07-02].

14:58:49 [aphillip]

action: richard: ask Dom to change settings to notify of all traffic on our issues via email

14:58:50 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-450 - Ask dom to change settings to notify of all traffic on our issues via email [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-07-02].

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Topic: AOB?

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip

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zakim, bye

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: richard: publish updated version of KLReq [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-irc#T14-36-27

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ACTION: addison: write a proposal to the working group for options in handling language and direction metadata in cases such as mediastream labels [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-irc#T14-50-13

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ACTION: addison: remind WG membership to read and be ready to discuss http://r12a.github.io/docs/bidi-plain-text/index.html [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-irc#T14-54-32

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ACTION: richard: ask Dom to change settings to notify of all traffic on our issues via email [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-irc#T14-58-49