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HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

30 Apr 2015

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Attendees

Present
LJWatson, janina, Joanmarie_Diggs, [IPcaller], chaals, Judy, JF, ShaneM, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Cynthia_Shelly, Plh
Regrets
David, PaulC, liam
Chair
Chaals
Scribe
chaals, LJWatson

Contents


<janina> trackbot, start meeting

<trackbot> Date: 30 April 2015

<scribe> scribenick: LJWatson

Any other agenda items?

<janina> chair: Charles

CfC updates

CMN: Think all outstanding CFCs have been successful.

JS: We have a bug against the work statement, but the other two passed.
... Techniques for text alts has about a day to run in the HTML WG.
... Expect a decision from the WG next week. The PF CFC is open 'till Monday.

Alt techniques update

CMN: Liam noted in conversation that an alt may need to be different based on the image's context.

SM: Nothing to report.

canvas

RS: Filed the scrolling into view defect.
... It's a five minute editorial change.
... Just need to make sure the open defects are fixed and it's a wrap.

transcript

<chaals> scribe: chaals

<LJWatson> CMN: JF and I need to work on the draft spec text.

<LJWatson> JF: We're at the same impasse as before, the two likely candidates have issues, and the third option has been shot down.

CMN: source doesn't have a "kind" attribute, just triggers off type, which is going to seem a bit odd. But think the key to this dicussion is outside the TF.

<LJWatson> JS: We have two requirements - timing and programmatic association.

<LJWatson> JF: Timing is where things get messy. Most transcripts do not have timestamps.

<LJWatson> JS: We don't need to require timing, just that it be supported.

<LJWatson> JF: We're getting push back from many people that <track> is timestamped.

<LJWatson> JS: Do we care if it's source or track?

<LJWatson> CMN: No

<LJWatson> JS: We should ask the media people to decide.

<LJWatson> CMN: We should clarify we don't care what the element is called. Then we need to get concensus on what we do call it.

<LJWatson> JF: Did this come up with the TAG?

<scribe> ACTION: chaals to talk to tag about transcript architecture [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/30-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-319 - Talk to tag about transcript architecture [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2015-05-07].

<LJWatson> CMN: Would be good to ask them about the architecture, but not to "bike shed" the name.

face to face meetings

<LJWatson> CMN: Possible meeting in Europe 9th/10th July. Just enough interest to make it worth asking others to come.

<LJWatson> CMN: PF and HTML will be meeting at TPAC, so some of us will be commited to one or the other. The TF may be able to meet though.

<LJWatson> CMN: We should try to have at least one full TF meeting during the year. Perhaps at TPAC? Will send out email straw poll.

<LJWatson> CMN: Observations from CSUN were that we could have had a bigger meeting there than any other we're likely to organise. Should think seriously now about a meeting at CSUN next year.

<Zakim> joanie, you wanted to ask about the European meeting

<LJWatson> JMD: ARIA also needs a F2F - any possibility of extending the venue for a third day?

<LJWatson> CMN: 9th/10th is a Thu/Fri, so possibly the day before.

<LJWatson> CMN: Take it offline and let's see what we can organise.

<Zakim> JF, you wanted to discuss a CSUN F2F

<LJWatson> JF: Last time we met at CSUN was 3/4 years ago, but it was productive. There were some logistical problems though - like finding meeting space at the venue.

<LJWatson> JF: Think it's a good idea though.

<LJWatson> +1 to meeting at CSUN 2016.

+1 to meeting in San Diego but not at the Hyatt…

<LJWatson> CS: We'd want to meet outside of the Manchester Grand Hyatt. Europe in July is "iffy" for me.

<Zakim> Judy, you wanted to comment on one possible magic solution for meeting-hosting at CSUN

<LJWatson> JB: Asking for hosting from organisations already at CSUN is how we've worked out WAI meetings at CSUN in recent years.

<LJWatson> CS: That could work, but food is also ridiculously expensive.

<LJWatson> JF: Would have to enquire, but Deque may be able to assist.

<LJWatson> +1 to TPAC (will be there anyway), and Europe is close enough to be feasible.

<LJWatson> CMN: Will confirm Zaragoza, or possibly London if it looks like a better option.

<LJWatson> CMN: We could ask Paul for a breakout room at TPAC.

<ShaneM> ShaneM expects to be at TPAC

<LJWatson> Will be at TPAC

<joanie> Joanie doesn't know yet, but probably can.

<LJWatson> CMN: Ok, so likely a small meeting in Europe, possible meeting at TPAC, and another at CSUN.

action items

-> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open Open action items

action-189?

<trackbot> action-189 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate what MS products do with lang attribute -- due 2015-04-15 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/189

<LJWatson> CS: Haven't done this. Leave it as overdue or reschedule it, either is fine.

action-189 due in 4 weeks

<trackbot> Set action-189 Investigate what MS products do with lang attribute due date to 2015-05-28.

action-274?

<trackbot> action-274 -- Cynthia Shelly to Add more information to https://www.w3.org/bugs/public/show_bug.cgi?id=13572 -- due 2015-04-15 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/274

<LJWatson> CS: Same status

action-274 due in 4 weeks

<trackbot> Set action-274 Add more information to https://www.w3.org/bugs/public/show_bug.cgi?id=13572 due date to 2015-05-28.

<LJWatson> CMN: If anyone has time to help out with other people's actions, it's never a bad thing.

action-308?

<trackbot> action-308 -- John Foliot to Talk to josh about "discuss hybrid extended/inline case." - expand please -- due 2015-03-02 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/308

<LJWatson> JF: Suggest we try one more time, and if still can't raise Josh we close it and move on.

<LJWatson> JS: You want to meet on Monday?

action-317 due in 2 weeks

<trackbot> Set action-317 Look at the mse and spliced advertising cases in particular 05/01/2015 due date to 2015-05-14.

<LJWatson> JF: I can be available, but happy to do it by email too.

<LJWatson> SM: I'm available.

action-314 due in 2 weeks

<LJWatson> CMN: The rest all relate to transcript, and I'll assign a due date in two week's time.

action-315 due in 2 weeks

<trackbot> Set action-315 Revising the transcript proposal from yesterday due 05/01/2015 due date to 2015-05-14.

action-314 due in 2 weeks

<trackbot> Set action-314 Adding explanations of what transcripts might be 05/01/2015 due date to 2015-05-14.

<LJWatson> CMN: We're done - time left to get some action items done!

action-316 due in 2 weeks

<trackbot> Set action-316 Show how to use the proposal to meet various use cases 05/01/2015 due date to 2015-05-14.

<LJWatson> SM: Chaals, you have an open action about web payments - I'm active in that group, can I help?

<LJWatson> CMN: Sure, it was to present the web payments activity to this TF.

<LJWatson> SM: Ok.

<LJWatson> CMN: Won't be here next week. Others?

<LJWatson> JS: Fine to skip a week.

<LJWatson> LW: Won't be here next week.

<LJWatson> CMN: Ok, we'll skip next week.

<JF> +1 to skipping a week

<LJWatson> chair: Chaals

[thanks to Léonie for scribing]

<LJWatson> scribenick: LJWatson

<scribe> scribe: LJWatson

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: chaals to talk to tag about transcript architecture [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/30-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]
 
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