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14:36:31 <chaals> agenda?
14:36:43 <chaals> agenda+ Any other agenda items?
14:37:18 <chaals> agenda+ CfC updates
14:37:30 <chaals> agenda+ Alt techniques update
14:37:38 <chaals> agenda+ canvas
14:37:42 <chaals> agenda+ transcript
14:37:52 <chaals> agenda+ face to face meetings
14:37:59 <chaals> agenda+ action items
14:38:13 <chaals> Regrets: David, PaulC
14:38:17 <chaals> Chair: Chaals
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15:00:28 <janina> trackbot, start meeting
15:00:30 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:00:32 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
15:00:32 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 60 minutes ago
15:00:33 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:00:33 <trackbot> Date: 30 April 2015
15:00:43 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:00:43 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has not yet started, janina
15:00:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see LJWatson, RRSAgent, Zakim, liam, chaals, Joshue, newtron, janina, ShaneM, joanie, cabanier, sivoais, trackbot
15:00:54 <LJWatson> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:00:55 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has not yet started, LJWatson
15:00:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see LJWatson, RRSAgent, Zakim, liam, chaals, Joshue, newtron, janina, ShaneM, joanie, cabanier, sivoais, trackbot
15:01:04 <janina> zakim, this will be WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)
15:01:04 <Zakim> ok, janina, I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM already started
15:01:12 <SteveF> SteveF has joined #html-a11y
15:01:16 <LJWatson> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:01:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P17, [IPcaller]
15:01:22 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:01:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P17, [IPcaller]
15:01:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see SteveF, LJWatson, RRSAgent, Zakim, liam, chaals, Joshue, newtron, janina, ShaneM, joanie, cabanier, sivoais, trackbot
15:01:27 <LJWatson> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:01:27 <Zakim> +LJWatson; got it
15:01:31 <janina> zakim, ??P17 is me
15:01:31 <Zakim> +janina; got it
15:01:51 <Zakim> +Joanmarie_Diggs
15:02:44 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:02:55 <chaals> zakim, [ip is me
15:02:55 <Zakim> +chaals; got it
15:03:11 <liam> regrets+ liam
15:03:29 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
15:03:32 <janina> agenda+ Additional agenda?
15:03:34 <janina> agenda+ CfC  Updates -- Janina, Chaals, Paul
15:03:37 <janina> agenda+ Alt Doc Update -- Shane, Liam
15:03:39 <janina> agenda+ Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress -- Rich, Janina, Paul
15:03:42 <janina> agenda+ Transcript Support Update -- John, Chaals, Cynthia
15:03:43 <LJWatson> scribenick: LJWatson
15:03:44 <janina> agenda+ TF Open Actions  http://w3.org/wai/pf/html/track
15:03:47 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:03:49 <janina> agenda+ Identify Chair and Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
15:03:50 <LJWatson> zakim, take up item 1
15:03:51 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Any other agenda items?" taken up [from chaals]
15:03:52 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:03:55 <janina> chair: Charles
15:04:02 <chaals> zakim, close items 8-17
15:04:02 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close items 8-17', chaals
15:04:13 <janina> zakim, drop item 8
15:04:13 <Zakim> agendum 8, Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List, dropped
15:04:15 <janina> zakim, drop item 9
15:04:15 <Zakim> agendum 9, Additional agenda?, dropped
15:04:17 <janina> zakim, drop item 10
15:04:17 <Zakim> agendum 10, CfC  Updates -- Janina, Chaals, Paul, dropped
15:04:19 <janina> zakim, drop item 11
15:04:19 <Zakim> agendum 11, Alt Doc Update -- Shane, Liam, dropped
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15:04:21 <janina> zakim, drop item 12
15:04:21 <Zakim> agendum 12, Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress -- Rich, Janina, Paul, dropped
15:04:24 <janina> zakim, drop item 13
15:04:25 <Zakim> agendum 13, Transcript Support Update -- John, Chaals, Cynthia, dropped
15:04:25 <LJWatson> zakim, close item 1
15:04:25 <Zakim> agendum 1, Any other agenda items?, closed
15:04:26 <janina> zakim, drop item 14
15:04:27 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:04:27 <Zakim> 2. CfC updates [from chaals]
15:04:27 <Zakim> agendum 14, TF Open Actions  http://w3.org/wai/pf/html/track, dropped
15:04:29 <janina> zakim, drop item 15
15:04:29 <Zakim> agendum 15, Other Business, dropped
15:04:31 <janina> zakim, drop item 16
15:04:31 <Zakim> agendum 16, Identify Chair and Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List, dropped
15:04:34 <janina> zakim, drop item 17
15:04:34 <Zakim> agendum 17, be done, dropped
15:04:34 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:04:35 <Zakim> agendum 2. "CfC updates" taken up [from chaals]
15:04:51 <Judy> zakim, dial judy-mobile
15:04:51 <Zakim> ok, Judy; the call is being made
15:04:53 <Zakim> +Judy
15:05:00 <LJWatson> CMN: Think all outstanding CFCs have been successful.
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15:05:14 <LJWatson> JS: We have a bug against the work statement, but the other two passed.
15:05:39 <Zakim> +JF
15:05:48 <LJWatson> JS: Techniques for text alts has about a day to run in the HTML WG.
15:06:04 <ShaneM> zakim, what is the code?
15:06:04 <Zakim> the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ShaneM
15:06:09 <Zakim> +??P4
15:06:13 <ShaneM> zakim, I am ??P4
15:06:13 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
15:06:19 <LJWatson> JS: Expect a decision from the WG next week. The PF CFC is open 'till Monday.
15:06:35 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:06:35 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Alt techniques update" taken up [from chaals]
15:07:18 <LJWatson> CMN: Liam noted in conversation that an alt may need to be different based on the image's context.
15:07:29 <LJWatson> SM: Nothing to report.
15:07:33 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:07:33 <Zakim> agendum 3 was just opened, LJWatson
15:07:41 <LJWatson> zakim, close item 3
15:07:41 <Zakim> agendum 3, Alt techniques update, closed
15:07:42 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:07:42 <Zakim> 4. canvas [from chaals]
15:07:43 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:07:43 <Zakim> agendum 4. "canvas" taken up [from chaals]
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15:08:46 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
15:09:12 <LJWatson> RS: Filed the scrolling into view defect.
15:09:26 <LJWatson> RS: It's a five minute editorial change.
15:09:44 <LJWatson> RS: Just need to make sure the open defects are fixed and it's a wrap.
15:09:52 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:09:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/30-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:10:04 <LJWatson> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
15:10:09 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:10:09 <Zakim> agendum 5. "transcript" taken up [from chaals]
15:10:30 <Zakim> -LJWatson
15:10:38 <chaals> scribe: chaals
15:11:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:11:43 <LJWatson> CMN: JF and I need to work on the draft spec text.
15:12:23 <LJWatson> JF: We're at the same impasse as before, the two likely candidates have issues, and the third option has been shot down.
15:12:26 <chaals> CMN: source doesn't have a "kind" attribute, just triggers off type, which is going to seem a bit odd. But think the key to this dicussion is outside the TF.
15:12:45 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
15:12:59 <LJWatson> JS: We have two requirements - timing and programmatic association.
15:13:25 <LJWatson> JF: Timing is where things get messy. Most transcripts do not have timestamps.
15:13:28 <chaals> q+
15:13:42 <LJWatson> JS: We don't need to require timing, just that it be supported.
15:14:05 <LJWatson> JF: We're getting push back from many people that <track> is timestamped.
15:14:25 <LJWatson> JS: Do we care if it's source or track?
15:14:27 <LJWatson> CMN: No
15:14:35 <LJWatson> JS: We should ask the media people to decide.
15:14:47 <JF> Q+
15:15:11 <LJWatson> CMN: We should clarify we don't care what the element is called. Then we need to get concensus on what we do call it.
15:15:16 <chaals> ack ch
15:15:19 <chaals> ack jf
15:15:39 <LJWatson> JF: Did this come up with the TAG?
15:15:44 <chaals> ACTION: chaals to talk to tag about transcript architecture
15:15:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-319 - Talk to tag about transcript architecture [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2015-05-07].
15:16:19 <LJWatson> CMN: Would be good to ask them about the architecture, but not to "bike shed" the name.
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15:16:47 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:16:47 <Zakim> +Plh
15:16:47 <Zakim> agendum 6. "face to face meetings" taken up [from chaals]
15:17:44 <LJWatson> CMN: Possible meeting in Europe 9th/10th July. Just enough interest to make it worth asking others to come.
15:18:42 <LJWatson> CMN: PF and HTML will be meeting at TPAC, so some of us will be commited to one or the other. The TF may be able to meet though.
15:19:20 <LJWatson> CMN: We should try to have at least one full TF meeting during the year.  Perhaps at TPAC? Will send out email straw poll.
15:19:56 <LJWatson> CMN: Observations from CSUN were that we could have had a bigger meeting there than any other we're likely to organise. Should think seriously now about a meeting at CSUN next year.
15:20:06 <joanie> q+ To ask about the European meeting
15:20:16 <chaals> ack jo
15:20:16 <Zakim> joanie, you wanted to ask about the European meeting
15:21:09 <LJWatson> JMD: ARIA also needs a F2F - any possibility of extending the venue for a third day?
15:21:24 <LJWatson> CMN: 9th/10th is a Thu/Fri, so possibly the day before.
15:21:36 <JF> Q+ to discuss a CSUN F2F
15:21:57 <LJWatson> CMN: Take it offline and let's see what we can organise.
15:22:00 <chaals> ack jf
15:22:00 <Zakim> JF, you wanted to discuss a CSUN F2F
15:22:03 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:22:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/30-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:22:22 <Judy> q+
15:22:31 <LJWatson> JF: Last time we met at CSUN was 3/4 years ago, but it was productive. There were some logistical problems though - like finding meeting space at the venue.
15:22:43 <LJWatson> JF: Think it's a good idea though.
15:22:48 <chaals> ack cyn
15:22:49 <LJWatson> +1 to meeting at CSUN 2016.
15:23:13 <chaals> +1 to meeting in San Diego but not at the Hyatt…
15:23:17 <Judy> q+ to comment on one possible magic solution for meeting-hosting at CSUN
15:23:17 <LJWatson> CS: We'd want to meet outside of the Manchester Grand Hyatt. Europe in July is "iffy" for me.
15:23:22 <chaals> ack ju
15:23:22 <Zakim> Judy, you wanted to comment on one possible magic solution for meeting-hosting at CSUN
15:24:35 <LJWatson> JB: Asking for hosting from organisations already at CSUN is an idea.
15:24:47 <LJWatson> CS: That could work, but food is also ridiculously expensive.
15:25:31 <LJWatson> JF: Would have to enquire, but Deque may be able to assist.
15:26:28 <LJWatson> +1 to TPAC (will be there anyway), and Europe is close enough to be feasible.
15:26:47 <Judy> s/is an idea/is how we've worked out WAI meetings at CSUN in recent years/
15:27:18 <LJWatson> CMN: Will confirm Zaragoza, or possibly London if it looks like a better option.
15:27:43 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:27:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/30-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:30:07 <LJWatson> CMN: We could ask Paul for a breakout room at TPAC.
15:30:15 <ShaneM> ShaneM expects to be at TPAC
15:30:22 <LJWatson> Will be at TPAC
15:30:25 <joanie> Joanie doesn't know yet, but probably can.
15:31:08 <LJWatson> CMN: Ok, so likely a small meeting in Europe, possible meeting at TPAC, and another at CSUN.
15:31:13 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:31:13 <Zakim> agendum 7. "action items" taken up [from chaals]
15:31:43 <chaals> -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open Open action items
15:32:06 <chaals> action-189?
15:32:07 <trackbot> action-189 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate what MS products do with lang attribute -- due 2015-04-15 -- OPEN
15:32:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/189
15:32:31 <LJWatson> CS: Haven't done this. Leave it as overdue or reschedule it, either is fine.
15:32:41 <chaals> action-189 due in 4 weeks
15:32:41 <trackbot> Set action-189 Investigate what MS products do with lang attribute due date to 2015-05-28.
15:32:52 <chaals> action-274?
15:32:52 <trackbot> action-274 -- Cynthia Shelly to Add more information to https://www.w3.org/bugs/public/show_bug.cgi?id=13572 -- due 2015-04-15 -- OPEN
15:32:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/274
15:33:17 <LJWatson> CS: Same status
15:33:39 <chaals> action-274 due in 4 weeks
15:33:39 <trackbot> Set action-274 Add more information to https://www.w3.org/bugs/public/show_bug.cgi?id=13572 due date to 2015-05-28.
15:33:52 <LJWatson> CMN: If anyone has time to help out with other people's actions, it's never a bad thing.
15:35:12 <chaals> action-308?
15:35:12 <trackbot> action-308 -- John Foliot to Talk to josh about "discuss hybrid extended/inline case." - expand please -- due 2015-03-02 -- OPEN
15:35:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/308
15:35:36 <LJWatson> JF: Suggest we try one more time, and if still can't raise Josh we close it and move on.
15:35:47 <LJWatson> JS: You want to meet on Monday?
15:35:53 <chaals> action-317 due in 2 weeks
15:35:53 <trackbot> Set action-317 Look at the mse and spliced advertising cases in particular 05/01/2015 due date to 2015-05-14.
15:35:56 <LJWatson> JF: I can be available, but happy to do it by email too.
15:35:59 <LJWatson> SM: I'm available.
15:36:25 <chaals> acton-314 due in 2 weeks
15:36:31 <LJWatson> CMN: The rest all relate to transcript, and I'll assign a due date in two week's time.
15:36:33 <chaals> action-315 due in 2 weeks
15:36:34 <trackbot> Set action-315 Revising the transcript proposal from yesterday due 05/01/2015 due date to 2015-05-14.
15:36:45 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:36:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/30-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:36:47 <chaals> action-314 due in 2 weeks
15:36:47 <trackbot> Set action-314 Adding explanations of what transcripts might be 05/01/2015 due date to 2015-05-14.
15:37:11 <LJWatson> CMN: We're done - time left to get some action items done!
15:37:14 <chaals> action-316 due in 2 weeks
15:37:14 <trackbot> Set action-316 Show how to use the proposal to meet various use cases 05/01/2015 due date to 2015-05-14.
15:37:33 <chaals> s/acton-314 due in 2 weeks/action-314 due in 2 weeks/
15:37:37 <LJWatson> SM: Chaals, you have an open action about web payments - I'm active in that group, can I help?
15:37:49 <LJWatson> CMN: Sure, it was to present the web payments activity to this TF.
15:37:55 <LJWatson> SM: Ok.
15:38:21 <LJWatson> CMN: Won't be here next week. Others?
15:38:42 <LJWatson> JS: Fine to skip a week.
15:38:52 <LJWatson> LW: Won't be here next week.
15:39:02 <LJWatson> CMN: Ok, we'll skip next week.
15:39:03 <JF> +1 to skipping a week
15:39:13 <Zakim> -ShaneM
15:39:17 <LJWatson> chair: Chaals
15:39:18 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
15:39:20 <Zakim> -Plh
15:39:21 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
15:39:21 <Zakim> -Joanmarie_Diggs
15:39:23 <Zakim> -Judy
15:39:25 <Zakim> -chaals
15:39:25 <Zakim> -janina
15:39:26 <LJWatson> zakim, list participants
15:39:26 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been LJWatson, janina, Joanmarie_Diggs, [IPcaller], chaals, Judy, JF, ShaneM, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Cynthia_Shelly, Plh
15:39:30 <chaals> [thanks to Léonie for scribing]
15:39:30 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:39:37 <Zakim> -JF
15:39:39 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended
15:39:39 <Zakim> Attendees were LJWatson, janina, Joanmarie_Diggs, [IPcaller], chaals, Judy, JF, ShaneM, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Cynthia_Shelly, Plh
15:39:52 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:39:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/30-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:40:29 <LJWatson> scribenick: LJWatson
15:40:35 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:40:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/30-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:41:09 <LJWatson> scribe: LJWatson
15:41:14 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:41:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/30-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:42:54 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:42:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/04/30-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
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