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Bug 13572 - 4.10.19 aborting autofocus based on user choice not optional
Summary: 4.10.19 aborting autofocus based on user choice not optional
Status: RESOLVED MOVED
Alias: None
Product: HTML WG
Classification: Unclassified
Component: HTML a11y Task Force (show other bugs)
Version: unspecified
Hardware: PC Windows NT
: P2 normal
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Cynthia Shelly
QA Contact: This bug has no owner yet - up for the taking
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Keywords: a11y, a11ytf
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Blocks:
 
Reported: 2011-08-03 03:51 UTC by Cynthia Shelly
Modified: 2016-02-26 20:00 UTC (History)
11 users (show)

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Description Cynthia Shelly 2011-08-03 03:51:46 UTC
4.10.19 autfocusing a form control 

If the user has indicated (for example, by starting to type in a form control) that he does not wish focus to be changed, then optionally abort these steps.

If a user has indicated through a browser, OS, AT or site settting that he doesn't want autofocus behavior, it must not be done.  Autofocus is a problem for some AT products, and also for some users who don't understand what has happened.
Comment 1 Michael[tm] Smith 2011-08-04 05:03:16 UTC
mass-moved component to LC1
Comment 2 Ian 'Hixie' Hickson 2011-08-10 22:12:06 UTC
EDITOR'S RESPONSE: This is an Editor's Response to your comment. If you are satisfied with this response, please change the state of this bug to CLOSED. If you have additional information and would like the editor to reconsider, please reopen this bug. If you would like to escalate the issue to the full HTML Working Group, please add the TrackerRequest keyword to this bug, and suggest title and text for the tracker issue; or you may create a tracker issue yourself, if you are able to do so. For more details, see this document:
   http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html

Status: Accepted
Change Description: no spec change
Rationale: The spec already says this in the very sentence quoted above.
Comment 3 Cynthia Shelly 2011-12-23 20:50:00 UTC
"8.If the user has indicated (for example, by starting to type in a form control) that he does not wish focus to be changed, then optionally abort these steps."

Can we remove the word "optionally"?
Comment 4 Anne 2011-12-30 11:30:38 UTC
EDITOR'S RESPONSE: This is an Editor's Response to your comment. If you are satisfied with this response, please change the state of this bug to CLOSED. If you have additional information and would like the editor to reconsider, please reopen this bug. If you would like to escalate the issue to the full HTML Working Group, please add the TrackerRequest keyword to this bug, and suggest title and text for the tracker issue; or you may create a tracker issue yourself, if you are able to do so. For more details, see this document: <http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html>.

Status: Rejected
Change Description: no spec change
Rationale: We cannot dictate UI.
Comment 5 steve faulkner 2011-12-30 14:20:30 UTC
(In reply to comment #4)
> EDITOR'S RESPONSE: This is an Editor's Response to your comment. If you are
> satisfied with this response, please change the state of this bug to CLOSED. If
> you have additional information and would like the editor to reconsider, please
> reopen this bug. If you would like to escalate the issue to the full HTML
> Working Group, please add the TrackerRequest keyword to this bug, and suggest
> title and text for the tracker issue; or you may create a tracker issue
> yourself, if you are able to do so. For more details, see this document:
> <http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html>.
> 
> Status: Rejected
> Change Description: no spec change
> Rationale: We cannot dictate UI.

the spec does dictate UI when you choose to:

example:
"The alt attribute does not represent advisory information. User agents must not present the contents of the alt attribute in the same way as content of the title attribute."

http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/the-img-element.html#the-img-element
Comment 6 Anne 2012-01-01 09:19:38 UTC
I don't think that's quite the same and in any event that should be filed as a different bug if you think it is.
Comment 7 steve faulkner 2012-01-01 15:54:21 UTC
(In reply to comment #6)
> I don't think that's quite the same and in any event that should be filed as a
> different bug if you think it is.

Well, unless explained, your thoughts about them being not quite the same are not supporting your rationale. I am not interested in filing a bug as I was pointing out the flaw in your rationale by providing an example of where you have dictated UI. A MUST requirement that is currently violated by at least one browser. So a precedent has been set. I would suggest that if you want the spec to not dictate UI, you should file a bug.
Comment 8 Michael Cooper 2013-01-16 14:30:05 UTC
HTML A11Y TF has decided to push this off to HTML.next and ask Cynthia to drive.
Comment 9 Robin Berjon 2013-01-21 15:59:37 UTC
Mass move to "HTML WG"
Comment 10 Robin Berjon 2013-01-21 16:02:22 UTC
Mass move to "HTML WG"
Comment 11 LĂ©onie Watson 2014-06-26 15:38:38 UTC
Assigned to Cynthia for further investigation, per HTML A11y TF action 274:
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/274
Comment 12 Charles McCathieNevile 2016-02-26 20:00:06 UTC
Moved to https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/105