W3C

Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

19 Mar 2015

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Addison, Richard, Mati, JcK, David, Xiaoqian
Regrets
Felix, Steven, Dennis
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
aphillip

Contents


Agenda

agenda

Action Items

action-360?

<trackbot> action-360 -- Xiaoqian Wu to Survey publishers if there are requirements for additional/more specific styles in chinese e-books -- due 2014-11-06 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/360

close action-360

<trackbot> Closed action-360.

close action-382

<trackbot> Closed action-382.

close action-415

<trackbot> Closed action-415.

close action-416

<trackbot> Closed action-416.

Info Share

JcK: ietf discussion around unicode "anomalies" continues
... high noise/signal ratio
... more concrete action next week

richard: someone said "this is more difficult and complicated than we thought"

Jck: it's lots more complicated
... one problem is statements in unicode about how codes points relate to each other
... another issue is that isolated problem in arabic and a few other scripts
... it seems that latin and most others have this issue
... two drafts out trying to describe problem
... will post links here

RADAR and Active Work Review

https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar

https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar

chinese layout requirements

xiaoqian: release editors draft
... some progress on tibetan document
... publish english version as soon as possible after update

richard: test developments
... submitting pull requests for tests I developed
... transform tests
... questions about one on css list
... started work on additional tests on css counter styles
... already have tests, but they added a bunch of new ones just before CR
... so adding tests for those

<scribe> ACTION: addison: talk to anne/joshua about how to solicit tests for encoding [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-417 - Talk to anne/joshua about how to solicit tests for encoding [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-03-26].

ruby

richard: just talked to bobby
... looking for opentype experts on how to make bopomofo ruby work
... questions on css lists there

<JcK> On the Unicode matching problem, now better described as non-decomposable characters although that isn't right either the two drafts I mentioned are:

<JcK> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-klensin-idna-5892upd-unicode70/

<JcK> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sullivan-lucid-prob-stmt/

<JcK> Substantively, the second is to some extent a subset of the first.

<JcK> Might also be worth looking at

<JcK> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lucid/current/msg00020.html

<JcK> which introduces the "coding artifact vs. confusability" characterization.

<JcK> The LUCID BOF, which will be the next major discussion venue, is next Wednesday at IETF 92. Mailing list info at https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lucid

<koji> Didn't Bobby already get support from But Ko?

predefined counter styles

richard: now in github

TPAC attendance

richard: anyone going to attend TPAC in Sapporo Japan in the fall?
... do we want a room?

David: considering attending

xiaoqian: can get more participants in asia this year

<scribe> ACTION: addison: send note on member list asking for tpac attendance [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-418 - Send note on member list asking for tpac attendance [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-03-26].

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2015JanMar/0082.html

Best Practices when writing Specifications

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/techniques/developing-specs-dynamic

richard: added new items in typographic support
... links to new document

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/

richard: links to new document because new information (not much new yet...)
... created while doing webvtt review last nigtht
... when making comment, made guideline at same time

<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/#type_linebreak

richard: doing mostly ad hoc development of document
... this is just a place to put info when you don't have it elsewhere
... getting a number of tweets/favorites on it
... mati already looked at bidi
... everyone look at this please?

<scribe> ACTION: addison: remind working group to review the bp draft and supply comments on existing materials, volunteer to add materials, or provide other comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-419 - Remind working group to review the bp draft and supply comments on existing materials, volunteer to add materials, or provide other comments [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-03-26].

addison: harvest past trackers?

Web VTT review

http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/73

issue-418?>?

<trackbot> issue-418 -- observation: line wrapping, line balancing ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/418

http://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/#cues-with-multiple-lines

issue-434?

<trackbot> issue-434 -- 3.1 Line wrapping for non-Latin scripts ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/434

<r12a> Line wrapping should take into account the special rules needed for scripts ... It would be good, as a minimum, to remind implementers that script-specific wrapping algorithms need to be supported for WebVTT content

<r12a> No mention is made of default settings for the line-break and word-break properties

addison: fold 418 into 434
... or change 418 to refer to having a non-English example of "balancing" in section 1.1

issue-419?

<trackbot> issue-419 -- term "NOTE" may not be friendly to users in other languages ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/419

Comments in a WebVTT file are introduced by the string "NOTE" in English. This serves as the same kind of marker that tokens such as # or // or /* */ do in some programming languages or formats. Using an English word is less accessible for international/non-English users than the use of a symbolic token.

issue-420?

<trackbot> issue-420 -- no provision for indicating overall content language(s) ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/420

<Leandro> No objections

issue-421?

<trackbot> issue-421 -- non-ASCII examples? ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/421

issue-422?

<trackbot> issue-422 -- start/end linked to left/right ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/422

The first cue has its cue box left aligned at the 10% mark of the video viewport width and the text is left aligned within that box - probably underneath a speaker on the left of the video image. "start" alignment of the cue box is the default for start aligned text, so does not need to be specified in "position". The second cue has its cue box right aligned at the 90% mark of the video viewport width. The same effect can be achieved with "position:55%,st[CUT]

richard: had another look yesterday

addison: doesn't actually *say* it

richard: don't know where directionality is declared, just use first strong

issue-423?

<trackbot> issue-423 -- Optional BOM ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/423

kill 423

issue-424?

<trackbot> issue-424 -- Why not ABNF/EBNF? ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/424

richard: add railroad diagrams as an example

issue-425?

<trackbot> issue-425 -- Normalization and string identity issues ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/425

http://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/#webvtt-file-structure

richard: add link to charmod
... support

issue-426?

<trackbot> issue-426 -- zero or more characters? ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/426

<r12a> no objection

A WebVTT cue settings list consist of a sequence of zero or more WebVTT cue settings in any order, separated from each other by one or more U+0020 SPACE characters

issue-427?

<trackbot> issue-427 -- WebVTT percentage ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/427

<r12a> no objection

issue-428?

<trackbot> issue-428 -- 4.3.2 emphasis spans ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/428

issue-429?

<trackbot> issue-429 -- "valid" language tag ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/429

<r12a> no objection

issue-430?

<trackbot> issue-430 -- 4.3.2 Very few character escapes ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/430

issue-431?

<trackbot> issue-431 -- ruby + rt sufficient? ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/431

richard: this is only part of the general ruby model. did you intend to be so specific or just looking at old version of html?

issue-432?

<trackbot> issue-432 -- 6.2.1 processing model handling of bidi ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/432

issue-434?

<trackbot> issue-434 -- 3.1 Line wrapping for non-Latin scripts ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/434

issue-435?

<trackbot> issue-435 -- 3.2 scroll value and vertical writing ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/435

no objection

issue-436?

<trackbot> issue-436 -- 6.2.1 line heights ⓟ -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/436

no objection

addison: ready to submit?

<matial> yes

richard: yes

<scribe> ACTION: addison: clean up and submit webvtt comments based on today's teleconference [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-420 - Clean up and submit webvtt comments based on today's teleconference [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-03-26].

AOB?

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: addison: clean up and submit webvtt comments based on today's teleconference [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: remind working group to review the bp draft and supply comments on existing materials, volunteer to add materials, or provide other comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: send note on member list asking for tpac attendance [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: talk to anne/joshua about how to solicit tests for encoding [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
 
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