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agenda
action-360?
<trackbot> action-360 -- Xiaoqian Wu to Survey publishers if there are requirements for additional/more specific styles in chinese e-books -- due 2014-11-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/360
close action-360
<trackbot> Closed action-360.
close action-382
<trackbot> Closed action-382.
close action-415
<trackbot> Closed action-415.
close action-416
<trackbot> Closed action-416.
JcK: ietf discussion around
unicode "anomalies" continues
... high noise/signal ratio
... more concrete action next week
richard: someone said "this is more difficult and complicated than we thought"
Jck: it's lots more
complicated
... one problem is statements in unicode about how codes points
relate to each other
... another issue is that isolated problem in arabic and a few
other scripts
... it seems that latin and most others have this issue
... two drafts out trying to describe problem
... will post links here
https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
chinese layout requirements
xiaoqian: release editors
draft
... some progress on tibetan document
... publish english version as soon as possible after
update
richard: test developments
... submitting pull requests for tests I developed
... transform tests
... questions about one on css list
... started work on additional tests on css counter
styles
... already have tests, but they added a bunch of new ones just
before CR
... so adding tests for those
<scribe> ACTION: addison: talk to anne/joshua about how to solicit tests for encoding [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-417 - Talk to anne/joshua about how to solicit tests for encoding [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-03-26].
ruby
richard: just talked to
bobby
... looking for opentype experts on how to make bopomofo ruby
work
... questions on css lists there
<JcK> On the Unicode matching problem, now better described as non-decomposable characters although that isn't right either the two drafts I mentioned are:
<JcK> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-klensin-idna-5892upd-unicode70/
<JcK> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sullivan-lucid-prob-stmt/
<JcK> Substantively, the second is to some extent a subset of the first.
<JcK> Might also be worth looking at
<JcK> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lucid/current/msg00020.html
<JcK> which introduces the "coding artifact vs. confusability" characterization.
<JcK> The LUCID BOF, which will be the next major discussion venue, is next Wednesday at IETF 92. Mailing list info at https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lucid
<koji> Didn't Bobby already get support from But Ko?
predefined counter styles
richard: now in github
richard: anyone going to attend
TPAC in Sapporo Japan in the fall?
... do we want a room?
David: considering attending
xiaoqian: can get more participants in asia this year
<scribe> ACTION: addison: send note on member list asking for tpac attendance [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-418 - Send note on member list asking for tpac attendance [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-03-26].
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2015JanMar/0082.html
<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/techniques/developing-specs-dynamic
richard: added new items in
typographic support
... links to new document
<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/
richard: links to new document
because new information (not much new yet...)
... created while doing webvtt review last nigtht
... when making comment, made guideline at same time
<r12a> http://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/#type_linebreak
richard: doing mostly ad hoc
development of document
... this is just a place to put info when you don't have it
elsewhere
... getting a number of tweets/favorites on it
... mati already looked at bidi
... everyone look at this please?
<scribe> ACTION: addison: remind working group to review the bp draft and supply comments on existing materials, volunteer to add materials, or provide other comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-419 - Remind working group to review the bp draft and supply comments on existing materials, volunteer to add materials, or provide other comments [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-03-26].
addison: harvest past trackers?
http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/73
issue-418?>?
<trackbot> issue-418 -- observation: line wrapping, line balancing ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/418
http://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/#cues-with-multiple-lines
issue-434?
<trackbot> issue-434 -- 3.1 Line wrapping for non-Latin scripts ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/434
<r12a> Line wrapping should take into account the special rules needed for scripts ... It would be good, as a minimum, to remind implementers that script-specific wrapping algorithms need to be supported for WebVTT content
<r12a> No mention is made of default settings for the line-break and word-break properties
addison: fold 418 into 434
... or change 418 to refer to having a non-English example of
"balancing" in section 1.1
issue-419?
<trackbot> issue-419 -- term "NOTE" may not be friendly to users in other languages ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/419
Comments in a WebVTT file are introduced by the string "NOTE" in English. This serves as the same kind of marker that tokens such as # or // or /* */ do in some programming languages or formats. Using an English word is less accessible for international/non-English users than the use of a symbolic token.
issue-420?
<trackbot> issue-420 -- no provision for indicating overall content language(s) ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/420
<Leandro> No objections
issue-421?
<trackbot> issue-421 -- non-ASCII examples? ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/421
issue-422?
<trackbot> issue-422 -- start/end linked to left/right ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/422
The first cue has its cue box left aligned at the 10% mark of the video viewport width and the text is left aligned within that box - probably underneath a speaker on the left of the video image. "start" alignment of the cue box is the default for start aligned text, so does not need to be specified in "position". The second cue has its cue box right aligned at the 90% mark of the video viewport width. The same effect can be achieved with "position:55%,st[CUT]
richard: had another look yesterday
addison: doesn't actually *say* it
richard: don't know where directionality is declared, just use first strong
issue-423?
<trackbot> issue-423 -- Optional BOM ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/423
kill 423
issue-424?
<trackbot> issue-424 -- Why not ABNF/EBNF? ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/424
richard: add railroad diagrams as an example
issue-425?
<trackbot> issue-425 -- Normalization and string identity issues ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/425
http://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/#webvtt-file-structure
richard: add link to
charmod
... support
issue-426?
<trackbot> issue-426 -- zero or more characters? ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/426
<r12a> no objection
A WebVTT cue settings list consist of a sequence of zero or more WebVTT cue settings in any order, separated from each other by one or more U+0020 SPACE characters
issue-427?
<trackbot> issue-427 -- WebVTT percentage ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/427
<r12a> no objection
issue-428?
<trackbot> issue-428 -- 4.3.2 emphasis spans ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/428
issue-429?
<trackbot> issue-429 -- "valid" language tag ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/429
<r12a> no objection
issue-430?
<trackbot> issue-430 -- 4.3.2 Very few character escapes ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/430
issue-431?
<trackbot> issue-431 -- ruby + rt sufficient? ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/431
richard: this is only part of the general ruby model. did you intend to be so specific or just looking at old version of html?
issue-432?
<trackbot> issue-432 -- 6.2.1 processing model handling of bidi ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/432
issue-434?
<trackbot> issue-434 -- 3.1 Line wrapping for non-Latin scripts ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/434
issue-435?
<trackbot> issue-435 -- 3.2 scroll value and vertical writing ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/435
no objection
issue-436?
<trackbot> issue-436 -- 6.2.1 line heights ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/436
no objection
addison: ready to submit?
<matial> yes
richard: yes
<scribe> ACTION: addison: clean up and submit webvtt comments based on today's teleconference [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-420 - Clean up and submit webvtt comments based on today's teleconference [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-03-26].