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13:58:56 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
13:58:58 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
13:59:00 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
13:59:00 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_WG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
13:59:01 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:59:01 <trackbot> Date: 19 March 2015
13:59:08 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Mar/0010.html
13:59:13 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
13:59:20 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:59:37 <aphillip> agenda+ RADAR and Active Work Review
13:59:50 <aphillip> agenda+ Best Practices when writing Specifications
13:59:51 <Zakim> I18N_WG()10:00AM has now started
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14:00:00 <aphillip> agenda+ Charmod-Norm
14:00:08 <matial> zakim, ??p2 is me
14:00:08 <Zakim> +matial; got it
14:00:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:00:28 <aphillip> Regrets: Felix, Steven, Dennis
14:00:29 <Zakim> +Xiaoqian
14:00:45 <Zakim> -Xiaoqian
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14:02:08 <Zakim> +??P8
14:02:10 <Zakim> +aphillip
14:02:30 <David> zakim, ??P8 is me
14:02:31 <Zakim> +David; got it
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14:05:08 <r12a> coming
14:05:12 <r12a> zakim, dial richard
14:05:12 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
14:05:13 <Zakim> +Richard
14:05:57 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
14:06:00 <aphillip> agenda
14:06:03 <aphillip> agenda?
14:06:16 <aphillip> agenda+ Web VTT review
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14:06:24 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
14:07:18 <Zakim> +JcK
14:07:42 <aphillip> action-360?
14:07:42 <trackbot> action-360 -- Xiaoqian Wu to Survey publishers if there are requirements for additional/more specific styles in chinese e-books -- due 2014-11-06 -- OPEN
14:07:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/360
14:08:02 <aphillip> close action-360
14:08:02 <trackbot> Closed action-360.
14:09:21 <aphillip> close action-382
14:09:21 <trackbot> Closed action-382.
14:11:43 <aphillip> close action-415
14:11:44 <trackbot> Closed action-415.
14:12:01 <aphillip> close action-416
14:12:01 <trackbot> Closed action-416.
14:12:20 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
14:12:23 <aphillip> agenda?
14:12:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:12:56 <aphillip> JcK: ietf discussion around unicode "anomalies" continues
14:13:10 <aphillip> ... high noise/signal ratio
14:13:10 <r12a> agenda+ TPAC attendance
14:13:23 <aphillip> ... more concrete action next week
14:13:43 <aphillip> richard: someone said "this is more difficult and complicated than we thought"
14:13:52 <aphillip> Jck: it's lots more complicated
14:14:17 <aphillip> ... one problem is statements in unicode about how codes points relate to each other
14:14:37 <aphillip> ... another issue is that isolated problem in arabic and a few other scripts
14:15:02 <aphillip> ... it seems that latin and most others have this issue
14:15:14 <aphillip> ... two drafts out trying to describe problem
14:15:22 <aphillip> ... will post links here
14:15:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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14:17:46 <aphillip> agenda?
14:17:53 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:17:53 <Zakim> agendum 1. "RADAR and Active Work Review" taken up [from aphillip]
14:18:06 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
14:21:48 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
14:24:24 <aphillip> chinese layout requirements
14:24:40 <aphillip> xiaoqian: release editors draft
14:24:46 <aphillip> ... some progress on tibetan document
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14:25:14 <aphillip> ... publish english version as soon as possible after update
14:25:50 <aphillip> richard: test developments
14:26:00 <aphillip> ... submitting pull requests for tests I developed
14:26:05 <aphillip> ... transform tests
14:26:10 <aphillip> ... questions about one on css list
14:26:23 <aphillip> ... started work on additional tests on css counter styles
14:26:38 <aphillip> ... already have tests, but they added a bunch of new ones just before CR
14:26:43 <aphillip> ... so adding tests for those
14:27:55 <aphillip> action: addison: talk to anne/joshua about how to solicit tests for encoding
14:27:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-417 - Talk to anne/joshua about how to solicit tests for encoding [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-03-26].
14:28:13 <aphillip> ruby
14:28:19 <aphillip> richard: just talked to bobby
14:28:42 <aphillip> ... looking for opentype experts on how to make bopomofo ruby work
14:28:53 <aphillip> ... questions on css lists there
14:29:07 <JcK> On the Unicode matching problem, now better described as non-decomposable characters although that isn't right either the two drafts I mentioned are:
14:29:09 <JcK> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-klensin-idna-5892upd-unicode70/
14:29:10 <JcK> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sullivan-lucid-prob-stmt/
14:29:12 <JcK> Substantively, the second is to some extent a subset of the first.
14:29:13 <JcK> Might also be worth looking at
14:29:15 <JcK> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lucid/current/msg00020.html
14:29:16 <JcK> which introduces the "coding artifact vs. confusability" characterization.
14:29:18 <JcK> The LUCID BOF, which will be the next major discussion venue, is next Wednesday at IETF 92.  Mailing list info at https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lucid
14:29:51 <koji> Didn't Bobby already get support from But Ko?
14:30:45 <aphillip> predefined counter styles
14:30:49 <aphillip> richard: now in github
14:31:09 <aphillip> agenda?
14:31:24 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:31:24 <Zakim> agendum 5. "TPAC attendance" taken up [from r12a]
14:31:39 <aphillip> richard: anyone going to attend TPAC in Sapporo Japan in the fall?
14:31:44 <aphillip> ... do we want a room?
14:32:29 <aphillip> David: considering attending
14:32:54 <aphillip> xiaoqian: can get more participants in asia this year
14:34:53 <aphillip> action: addison: send note on member list asking for tpac attendance
14:34:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-418 - Send note on member list asking for tpac attendance [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-03-26].
14:35:05 <aphillip> agenda?
14:35:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:35:38 <aphillip> zakim, take up agenduam 2
14:35:38 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up agenduam 2', aphillip
14:36:11 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2015JanMar/0082.html
14:36:21 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:36:21 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Best Practices when writing Specifications" taken up [from aphillip]
14:36:23 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/techniques/developing-specs-dynamic
14:36:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:36:51 <aphillip> richard: added new items in typographic support
14:36:55 <aphillip> ... links to new document
14:36:57 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/
14:37:15 <aphillip> richard: links to new document because new information (not much new yet...)
14:37:28 <aphillip> ... created while doing webvtt review last nigtht
14:37:42 <aphillip> ... when making comment, made guideline at same time
14:37:48 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/#type_linebreak
14:38:21 <aphillip> richard: doing mostly ad hoc devellopment of document
14:38:31 <aphillip> ... this is just a place to put info when you don't have it elsehwere
14:38:41 <aphillip> s/devellopment/development/
14:38:50 <aphillip> s/elsehwere/elsewhere/
14:39:15 <aphillip> richard: getting a number of tweets/favorites on it
14:40:04 <aphillip> richard: mati already looked at bidi
14:40:13 <aphillip> ... everyone look at this please?
14:40:54 <aphillip> action: addison: remind working group to review the bp draft and supply comments on existing materials, volunteer to add materials, or provide other comments
14:40:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-419 - Remind working group to review the bp draft and supply comments on existing materials, volunteer to add materials, or provide other comments [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-03-26].
14:43:05 <aphillip> addison: harvest past trackers?
14:43:52 <aphillip> agenda?
14:44:06 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:44:06 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Web VTT review" taken up [from aphillip]
14:44:37 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/73
14:44:54 <aphillip> issue-418?>?
14:44:54 <trackbot> issue-418 -- observation: line wrapping, line balancing ⓟ -- open
14:44:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/418
14:45:18 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/#cues-with-multiple-lines
14:46:13 <aphillip> issue-434?
14:46:13 <trackbot> issue-434 -- 3.1 Line wrapping for non-Latin scripts ⓟ -- open
14:46:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/434
14:46:48 <r12a> Line wrapping should take into account the special rules needed for scripts ... It would be good, as a minimum, to remind implementers that script-specific wrapping algorithms need to be supported for WebVTT content
14:47:00 <r12a> No mention is made of default settings for the line-break and word-break properties
14:49:24 <aphillip> addison: fold 418 into 434
14:49:48 <aphillip> ... or change 418 to refer to having a non-English example of "balancing" in section 1.1
14:49:54 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:49:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html r12a
14:50:02 <aphillip> issue-419?
14:50:02 <trackbot> issue-419 -- term "NOTE" may not be friendly to users in other languages ⓟ -- open
14:50:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/419
14:50:28 <aphillip> Comments in a WebVTT file are introduced by the string "NOTE" in English. This serves as the same kind of marker that tokens such as # or // or /* */ do in some programming languages or formats. Using an English word is less accessible for international/non-English users than the use of a symbolic token.
14:51:42 <aphillip> issue-420?
14:51:42 <trackbot> issue-420 -- no provision for indicating overall content language(s) ⓟ -- open
14:51:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/420
14:52:23 <Leandro> No objections
14:52:25 <aphillip> issue-421?
14:52:25 <trackbot> issue-421 -- non-ASCII examples? ⓟ -- open
14:52:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/421
14:53:03 <aphillip> issue-422?
14:53:03 <trackbot> issue-422 -- start/end linked to left/right ⓟ -- open
14:53:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/422
14:53:38 <aphillip> The first cue has its cue box left aligned at the 10% mark of the video viewport width and the text is left aligned within that box - probably underneath a speaker on the left of the video image. "start" alignment of the cue box is the default for start aligned text, so does not need to be specified in "position". The second cue has its cue box right aligned at the 90% mark of the video viewport width. The same effect can be achieved with "position:55%,st[CUT]
14:54:02 <aphillip> richard: had another look yesterday
14:54:40 <Zakim> -Leandro
14:54:48 <aphillip> addison: doesn't actually *say* it
14:55:13 <aphillip> richard: don't know where directionality is declared, just use first strong
14:56:03 <aphillip> issue-423?
14:56:03 <trackbot> issue-423 -- Optional BOM ⓟ -- open
14:56:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/423
14:57:08 <aphillip> kill 423
14:57:22 <aphillip> issue-424?
14:57:22 <trackbot> issue-424 -- Why not ABNF/EBNF? ⓟ -- open
14:57:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/424
14:58:44 <aphillip> richard: add railroad diagrams as an example
14:58:54 <aphillip> issue-425?
14:58:54 <trackbot> issue-425 -- Normalization and string identity issues ⓟ -- open
14:58:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/425
14:59:33 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/#webvtt-file-structure
14:59:56 <aphillip> richard: add link to charmod
14:59:58 <aphillip> ... support
15:00:16 <aphillip> issue-426?
15:00:16 <trackbot> issue-426 -- zero or more characters? ⓟ -- open
15:00:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/426
15:00:22 <r12a> no objection
15:00:55 <aphillip> A WebVTT cue settings list consist of a sequence of zero or more WebVTT cue settings in any order, separated from each other by one or more U+0020 SPACE characters
15:01:17 <aphillip> issue-427?
15:01:17 <trackbot> issue-427 -- WebVTT percentage ⓟ -- open
15:01:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/427
15:01:26 <r12a> no objection
15:01:45 <aphillip> issue-428?
15:01:45 <trackbot> issue-428 -- 4.3.2 emphasis spans ⓟ -- open
15:01:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/428
15:01:55 <Zakim> -David
15:03:13 <aphillip> issue-429?
15:03:13 <trackbot> issue-429 -- "valid" language tag ⓟ -- open
15:03:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/429
15:03:29 <r12a> no objection
15:04:02 <aphillip> issue-430?
15:04:02 <trackbot> issue-430 -- 4.3.2 Very few character escapes ⓟ -- open
15:04:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/430
15:04:48 <aphillip> issue-431?
15:04:48 <trackbot> issue-431 -- ruby + rt sufficient? ⓟ -- open
15:04:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/431
15:05:40 <aphillip> richard: this is only part of the general ruby model. did you intend to be so specific or just looking at old version of html?
15:05:50 <aphillip> issue-432?
15:05:50 <trackbot> issue-432 -- 6.2.1 processing model handling of bidi ⓟ -- open
15:05:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/432
15:07:22 <aphillip> issue-434?
15:07:22 <trackbot> issue-434 -- 3.1 Line wrapping for non-Latin scripts ⓟ -- open
15:07:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/434
15:07:32 <aphillip> issue-435?
15:07:32 <trackbot> issue-435 -- 3.2 scroll value and vertical writing ⓟ -- open
15:07:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/435
15:08:09 <aphillip> no  objection
15:08:20 <aphillip> issue-436?
15:08:20 <trackbot> issue-436 -- 6.2.1 line heights ⓟ -- open
15:08:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/436
15:10:09 <aphillip> no objection
15:10:30 <aphillip> addison: ready to submit?
15:10:30 <matial> yes
15:10:33 <aphillip> richard: yes
15:10:53 <aphillip> action: addison: clean up and submit webvtt comments based on today's teleconference
15:10:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-420 - Clean up and submit webvtt comments based on today's teleconference [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-03-26].
15:11:19 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
15:11:26 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
15:11:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see matial, Xiaoqian, aphillip, Richard, JcK
15:11:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see Najib-ma, JcK, David, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, matial, r12a, fsasaki, xiaoqian, fantasai, koji, trackbot
15:12:30 <Zakim> -Xiaoqian
15:12:31 <Zakim> -aphillip
15:12:32 <Zakim> -matial
15:12:34 <Zakim> -JcK
15:12:46 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:12:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:13:13 <aphillip> Present: Addison, Richard, Mati, JcK, David, Xiaoqian
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15:13:20 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:13:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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15:35:00 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Richard, in I18N_WG()10:00AM
15:35:01 <Zakim> I18N_WG()10:00AM has ended
15:35:01 <Zakim> Attendees were matial, Xiaoqian, aphillip, David, Leandro, Richard, JcK
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15:38:40 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:38:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:38:44 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
15:38:44 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-actions.rdf :
15:38:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: talk to anne/joshua about how to solicit tests for encoding [1]
15:38:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-irc#T14-27-55
15:38:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: send note on member list asking for tpac attendance [2]
15:38:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-irc#T14-34-53
15:38:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: remind working group to review the bp draft and supply comments on existing materials, volunteer to add materials, or provide other comments [3]
15:38:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-irc#T14-40-54
15:38:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: clean up and submit webvtt comments based on today's teleconference [4]
15:38:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-irc#T15-10-53