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Revising W3C Process Community Group Teleconference

25 Nov 2014

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
SteveZ, chaals, Mike_Champion, Jeff, timeless
Regrets
Chair
SteveZ
Scribe
mchampion, timeless

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 25 November 2014

<inserted> scribe: mchampion

Review of Action Items

Steve sent out call for consensus on TAG membership issue

<chaals> close action-39

<trackbot> Closed action-39.

<chaals> close action-42

<trackbot> Closed action-42.

ISSUE-129

issue 129 - Steve emailing Judy, who is OK with simplifying coordination group language

There are 4 differences - duration, explicit deliverables, membership criteria, ground rules for termination

Phil Archer's group on data does have a coordination group ("W3C Data Activity"). So a coordination group could be thought of as an IG with a restricted attendance policy

We could just add some language in the process document about escalation path for coordination issues

Charles notes that the requirement for groups to talk to each other is already there. Adding informal ideal about how to escalate doesn't seem necessary

Steve notes that the main path of escalation is a formal objection, which is overkill

Summarizes -Charles argues that the formal objection mechanism is all that is needed in the process, further detail is unhelpful

<SteveZ> mchampion: are the differences identified are important enough to distinguish CGs from IGS?

Mike asks whether anyone on the call believes the difference between IGs and coord groups is worth preserving both in the process

Charles replies that the difference doesn't justify having both.

Steve - IGs aren't the answer but CGs are not needed. Judy wants to run this by her group and get back after 12/3. We can wait until then

Conclusion - we're leaning toward removing coordination groups and not adding anything else to the process document

ISSUE-140

<SteveZ> Issue-140: The description of the Team in Section 2.2 of the process document is out of date<http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/140>

<trackbot> Notes added to Issue-140 The description of the Team in Section 2.2 of the process document is out of date.

<chaals> [assignments to COO/W3C Chair are ISSUE-145 (currently not open)]

Steve - sole roles assigned to COO or Chair that need to be moved, let's not lose that material when simplifying 2.2

Charles asks Steve for counterporposal text

Steve - will identify material and write proposal

Steve - the other item is that both the Director and COO/Chair can delegate int he current document, only the Director can delegate in Charles' draft

Charles - referring to the CEO instead of Chair or COO seems a logical choice, but it's not clear we need to

Steve - Everything goes back to the Director anyway, so it's covered

<scribe> ACTION: Steve will confirm that all MUSTS about the team would be covered by delegating from Director [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-w3process-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-43 - Will confirm that all musts about the team would be covered by delegating from director [on Steve Zilles - due 2014-12-02].

ISSUE-145

Jeff - agrees we should replace non-existent chair with CEO, dont need to talk about COO

Actions ordinarily assigned to Chair should be documented, e.g. when Jeff became CEO there was a question whether he should become chair of the AB. Similarly there is a question of who chairs the AC meetings

Charles - it's a relatively small amount of text to keep, I can live with it

Steve - Agrees with Jeff, those bits of text are useful

Jeff - I don't feel strongly that it would make it a MUST.

Steve - OK with "ordinarily"

Steve ask Jeff whether those are the only 2 places where the CEO should be mentioned?

Jeff - not proposing any new mentions of chair, coo, or ceo. As long as we make replacements or thoughtful removals, ok

Conclusion - We will change all references from Chair to CE), and preserve instance that have a clear role such as chairing the AC and AB meetings

We can change status of 140 to Pending Review. No objections

ISSUE-144

<SteveZ> Issue-144: Chairs are asking for clarification for Wide Review<http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/144>

<trackbot> Notes added to Issue-144 Chairs are asking for clarification for Wide Review.

Charles objected to "Director can consider whether wide review was part of the evaluations" Not clear what the issue was

Charels- Doesn't feel that proposed change adds any value

Steve- Just want to encourage people to do it sooner rather than later

Charles doesn't want to die on this hill... neither does Steve ...

Josh - easiest thing to do would be ask some chairs what would be good enough to satisfy their concerns about the new process

Josh - as someone who does wide review, problem seems to be when WGs don't make progress on the points made in the review

Steve - this is part of the performance of the process, hard to put rules about how to perform well in the process

Steve - asks Charles to put points 1, 2, and 4 in the document

Steve - no more formal agenda topics

Sam Ruby's discussion on URL spec

The Sam Ruby discussion on how he would like to do joint work with WHATWG is on the table. Does anyone see a process issue?

Jeff - What we're doing here is propose process modifications that would be too late to help Sam, Team needs to answer Sam. Anne has also asked some questions the team needs to answer. We can address process issues later

Steve - Summary is that nobody has identified process issues with Sam's proposal

Jeff - Other proposals on the thread may require process changes, but we can't assess all of them now

<inserted> Josh - we should send a note welcoming feedback from them for a future version of the process document

<inserted> SteveZ: +1

Promised issues raised in AC review of Process document 2014

Charles - issues 100 and 93 were raised in response to issues left over from process 2014, we said we would address them in 2015

Steve - 93 seems like it's bigger than a 2015 issue

<timeless> scribe: timeless

issue-93?

<trackbot> issue-93 -- What should the requirements be for specifications produced by more than one WG? -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/93

issue-100?

<trackbot> issue-100 -- Should it be possible to publish a pr before a call for exclusion ends -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/community/w3process/track/issues/100

SteveZ: i think we might be able to solve issue-100

chaals: it's technically feasible if you get everything perfect
... to get into PR while there's an exclusion open
... i think it's possible to get through PR

SteveZ: i don't think so

jeff: could we not resolve these on this call, just open them?

SteveZ: i will move those two to OPEN

<chaals> open issue-100

[ Adjourned ]

trackbot, end meeting

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Steve will confirm that all MUSTS about the team would be covered by delegating from Director [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/25-w3process-minutes.html#action01]
 
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